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Trample the Elderly 09-21-2009 11:37 AM

Re: Offensive line depth (R. Thomas' injury)
 
[quote=Bucket;592788][B]Jesus.. STFU about new coaches and QB's and try to act like loyal Redskin fans for once? Let's just see what ahppens this season, or atleast wait till we've played more then 2 games before we start calling for heads.

What the hell is wrong with some of you? lol[/B][/quote]

There's nothing wrong with us. Three field goals is what's wrong. We're loyal enough to get on a message board because we're hardcore Redskin fans. How many other fans know the entire lineup and depth of their team?

The time for stacking O-line men was years ago. If Zorn does get the boot then I say Vinny should too. I watched the Giants and Girls play last night. Watching the girls run on NJ just made my angry. Why can't we do that?

If we have to blow it up then blow it up. Nothing I've seen so far suggests that we'll not. Nothing short of the playoffs will stop this IMO.

SFREDSKIN 09-21-2009 11:42 AM

Re: Offensive line depth (R. Thomas' injury)
 
[quote=Trample the Elderly;592801]

The time for stacking O-line men was years ago. If Zorn does get the boot then I say Vinny should too. I watched the Giants and Girls play last night. Watching the girls run on NJ just made my angry. Why can't we do that?[/quote]

No disrespect to Portis, but what this team has been lacking is a player like Michael Bush (Raiders) or Jacobs who can play smashmouth football and shove the ball down peoples throat.

Trample the Elderly 09-21-2009 11:48 AM

Re: Offensive line depth (R. Thomas' injury)
 
Who's that big corn fed boy they've got in Denver? He's a beast. I'd like to see them draft some o-linemen and get a FB/RB beast runner in the 4th or
5th like Jacobs. How we can have a serious run game with out a change of back RB and a good O is beyond me? If you can't run for three yards on the goal line then you don't have a good run team, at least when you need it the most.

SmootSmack 09-21-2009 11:53 AM

Re: Offensive line depth (R. Thomas' injury)
 
[quote=CRedskinsRule;592784]Ok, I am as irritated as everyone else. BUT Zorn has only called plays for 1 full season, and he has shown he can be gutsy/creative. I don't imagine it is as easy as he thought it would be, but let's give this guy a chance. I think the next 5 games will be his watershed moment. He either steps up to the plate, and demonstrates that he "gets it", or we let one more season slip away, and start with a clean slate at Coach/QB next year.

I think Zorn likes to see a "kill shot" call, and then when/if it fails he doesn't reload, but instead retreats to the run. The only way to get past this, is with practice and time actually calling offenses against live NFL Defenses.

I think/hope he will get it and we will rock on. Time will tell for sure.

GO SKINS[/quote]

So then the question that many come back to is, is he taking on too much? QB Coach/Offensive Coordinator/Head Coach. He has Chris Meidt helping him with the QBs but Meidt has even less NFL experience than Zorn.

Technically, Sherman Smith is the OC (first time in his career), but his job is to work on crafting the game plan during the week. Come Game Day, it's Zorn's show. Should it be Sherman Smith's show? Should it be like it is in Baltimore where OC Cam Cameron basically calls the plays on game day and John Harbaugh (who like Zorn never called plays before last year) make the head coach decisions, such as when to go for it on 4th down?

Beemnseven 09-21-2009 12:17 PM

Re: Offensive line depth (R. Thomas' injury)
 
For Zorn to relinquish playcalling control would be sending a message to Snyder that he can't do what he was originally hired to do. I don't see Zorn giving up like that.

MTK 09-21-2009 12:32 PM

Re: Offensive line depth (R. Thomas' injury)
 
Gibbs gave it up, why can't Zorn?

BigHairedAristocrat 09-21-2009 12:53 PM

Re: Offensive line depth (R. Thomas' injury)
 
[quote=Mattyk72;592847]Gibbs gave it up, why can't Zorn?[/quote]

Gibbs was humble, admitted his mistakes, and wanted to do whatever it took to win. Zorn is not humble, blames the players for not executing on his bonehead playcalls, and realizes this is the only chance he'll ever have to call plays, so he's not gonna give it up.

In my opinion, Snyder should call Holmgren and see if he wants the HC job. He's familair with the offense and the terminology and could step right in and call plays. If Holmgren was agreeable, i'd offer to let Zorn stay on as a Offensive Coordinator/QB coach, but we need someone else, with experience in this system, calling plays. If Holmgren isnt intersted, then sticking with Zorn is the best option, because we dont have anything better in-house.

CRedskinsRule 09-21-2009 12:55 PM

Re: Offensive line depth (R. Thomas' injury)
 
[quote=SmootSmack;592820]So then the question that many come back to is, is he taking on too much? QB Coach/Offensive Coordinator/Head Coach. He has Chris Meidt helping him with the QBs but Meidt has even less NFL experience than Zorn.

Technically, Sherman Smith is the OC (first time in his career), but his job is to work on crafting the game plan during the week. Come Game Day, it's Zorn's show. Should it be Sherman Smith's show? Should it be like it is in Baltimore where OC Cam Cameron basically calls the plays on game day and John Harbaugh (who like Zorn never called plays before last year) make the head coach decisions, such as when to go for it on 4th down?[/quote]
Maybe so, my problem at this point is that this season is basically Campbells make or break, so throwing another coordinator at the problem just seems doomed to failure. Basically, I am "content" with letting JZ/Campbell sail down this sea together, either they make it work, or we say sayonara. That way no coach we may bring in feels like Danny gave JZ an unfair ride, and they are not tied to Campbell.

And if they do get it together, like Theissman and JG1 after the 0-5 start, then we will all be very happy fans.

Beemnseven 09-21-2009 12:56 PM

Re: Offensive line depth (R. Thomas' injury)
 
[quote=Mattyk72;592847]Gibbs gave it up, why can't Zorn?[/quote]

Simple -- one guy's name is Joe Gibbs, and the other guy is Jim Zorn.

SFREDSKIN 09-21-2009 01:04 PM

Re: Offensive line depth (R. Thomas' injury)
 
[quote=BigHairedAristocrat;592864]In my opinion, Snyder should call Holmgren and see if he wants the HC job. He's familair with the offense and the terminology and could step right in and call plays. If Holmgren was agreeable, i'd offer to let Zorn stay on as a Offensive Coordinator/QB coach, but we need someone else, with experience in this system, calling plays. If Holmgren isnt intersted, then sticking with Zorn is the best option, because we dont have anything better in-house.[/quote]

Do you think Holmgren would interested in coming to a team that fired his former Disciple? You might as well scratch him from the list.

T.O.Killa 09-21-2009 01:05 PM

Re: Offensive line depth (R. Thomas' injury)
 
[quote=Mattyk72;592771]I don't think Cowher would make much sense here anyway. What makes sense is to bring in someone with a WC background to make for a smooth transition. Holmgren, Shanahan, or even Gruden. I wouldn't argue with any of those 3.[/quote]
You are always the voice of reason, and this post sounds to me like you have already given up on Zorn. Maybe, I am taking it out of context, but if you feel this way, Zorn is in deep trouble. I thought there were some questionable calls, but I did not realize how mad everyone was. I hope that everyone is wrong, because I am sick of this team starting over.

SmootSmack 09-21-2009 01:14 PM

Re: Offensive line depth (R. Thomas' injury)
 
[quote=CRedskinsRule;592865]Maybe so, my problem at this point is that this season is basically Campbells make or break, so throwing another coordinator at the problem just seems doomed to failure. Basically, I am "content" with letting JZ/Campbell sail down this sea together, either they make it work, or we say sayonara. That way no coach we may bring in feels like Danny gave JZ an unfair ride, and they are not tied to Campbell.

And if they do get it together, like Theissman and JG1 after the 0-5 start, then we will all be very happy fans.[/quote]

Maybe what I should have said was "should it have been" Not "should it be" At this point it may be too late

CrazyCanuck 09-21-2009 01:36 PM

Re: Offensive line depth (R. Thomas' injury)
 
It's official in case it hasn't been posted yet:

[url=http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/news?slug=ap-redskins-thomas&prov=ap&type=lgns]RG Thomas out for season with torn right triceps - NFL - Yahoo! Sports[/url]

FYI Thomas will be a $6.1M deadcap in 2010 if/when he retires...

BigHairedAristocrat 09-21-2009 01:59 PM

Re: Offensive line depth (R. Thomas' injury)
 
[quote=SFREDSKIN;592875]Do you think Holmgren would interested in coming to a team that fired his former Disciple? You might as well scratch him from the list.[/quote]

Do you think Holmgren has a high opinion of Zorn? I don't. Theres a reason he was only a QB coach in Seattle. Zorn simply isnt HC material.

At this point, each passing game (going in to last season) only confirms the theory that Zorn is simply in over his head. Unfortunately, its not matter of IF Zorn will lose the HC job, its a matter of WHEN. The majority of our offensive players - most of whom we are financially committed to for years to come - are simply getting too old to go through another rebuilding year in 2010. Whether Campbell is franchise QB material or not, i think he, and our entire offense absolutely NEED some system continuity if they are to have any chance of success in their careers. Unless we want to rebuild for 3-4 years, and waste the talent that has been assembled on both sides of the ball, we need to replace Zorn with a proven, successful, and experienced HC who will run a near-identical system and we must do it sooner rather than later.

IMO, the transition to Holgren would be near-seamless and the benefits (game-planning, game management, playcalling, etc.) would be instantaneous.


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