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Spence 09-25-2009 09:47 AM

Smoke Signals: Don't worry about the game, look at all this Audi stuff!
 
Chad Rinehart or Will Montgomery? It ain't exactly Sonny v. Billy, but it's all the Skins have got right now. That and a lot more in today's edition of Smoke Signals.

[URL="http://dcprosportsreport.com/2009/09/smoke-signals-dont-worry-about-the-game-look-at-all-this-audi-stuff.html"]Read it[/URL].

MTK 09-25-2009 10:09 AM

Re: Smoke Signals: Don't worry about the game, look at all this Audi stuff!
 
I really wonder if you even like the Skins sometimes there Spence. My gawd, I just had to wipe my face from all the negativity and sarcasm dripping from that article.

mredskins 09-25-2009 10:20 AM

Re: Smoke Signals: Don't worry about the game, look at all this Audi stuff!
 
Audi stuff sounds great! not. So horrible, now that Danny is getting more money can't he upgrade the Jumbo Tron, it is so bad.

Lotus 09-25-2009 11:30 AM

Re: Smoke Signals: Don't worry about the game, look at all this Audi stuff!
 
[quote]Anyone who goes to games at FedEx Field should prepare to see a lot of Audi crap around. This is what Dan Snyder does instead of building good football teams -- he signs promotion deals with companies nobody cares about.[/quote]

I fail to see how promoting Audi keeps Snyder from building a football team. This is especially true when you consider that he must be getting money from Audi, money which can be invested in players.

[quote]The Lions are awful and they can't boast of an exciting or interesting team coming to town, it's just he [B](sic)[/B] Redskins, owner of the most boring offense in football year after year.[/quote]

I also fail to see what a "boring" offense has to do with anything. You don't get extra wins for being exciting. Look at the '72 Dolphins - very boring offense, undefeated season. "Boring vs. exciting" really has little to do with playing good football or not playing good football.

SmootSmack 09-25-2009 11:53 AM

Re: Smoke Signals: Don't worry about the game, look at all this Audi stuff!
 
This is what Snyder is most involved in, the non-football related decisions such as stadium and team sponsorships. He really does leave the large majority of the football related decisions to Cerrato, Scott Campbell, Morocco Brown, Jim Zorn and the coaches and scouts.

But when he's involved in stadium sponsorships it's "why isn't he putting together a strong football team" but then should he step in in even the smallest way then it's "why is he involved at all, he should stay out of football decisions"

FRPLG 09-25-2009 01:14 PM

Re: Smoke Signals: Don't worry about the game, look at all this Audi stuff!
 
[quote=SmootSmack;595253]This is what Snyder is most involved in, the non-football related decisions such as stadium and team sponsorships. He really does leave the large majority of the football related decisions to Cerrato, Scott Campbell, Morocco Brown, Jim Zorn and the coaches and scouts.

But when he's involved in stadium sponsorships it's "why isn't he putting together a strong football team" but then should he step in in even the smallest way then it's "why is he involved at all, he should stay out of football decisions"[/quote]

You just don't get it do you?

SmootSmack 09-25-2009 01:17 PM

Re: Smoke Signals: Don't worry about the game, look at all this Audi stuff!
 
[quote=FRPLG;595303]You just don't get it do you?[/quote]

LOL...No, and I don't think I ever will

FRPLG 09-25-2009 01:18 PM

Re: Smoke Signals: Don't worry about the game, look at all this Audi stuff!
 
[quote=SmootSmack;595308]LOL...No, and I don't think I ever will[/quote]

Me either.

PennSkinsFan 09-25-2009 01:26 PM

Re: Smoke Signals: Don't worry about the game, look at all this Audi stuff!
 
The article is a daily brief of all Redskins links we can find. If they are negative, they are negative. If they are positive, then so be it. It's been a tough week for the Redskins and after the way they played, it should have been. They have a chance this week for vindication.

Matt -- you think this is bad, imagine what this place will be like if we lose. Damn, I think I would stay away for a bit, lol. Maybe what you should try and do is hire a community psychiatrist, lol. Sometimes we all need it.

SmootSmack 09-25-2009 01:28 PM

Re: Smoke Signals: Don't worry about the game, look at all this Audi stuff!
 
I think Matty may have been referring as much to Spence's commentary about each link. Such as a seemingly minor story about Audi and Redskins teaming up on a sponsorship deal turning into this being emblematic of the Redskins' on-field failures. The two have basically nothing to do with each other

Spence 09-25-2009 02:01 PM

Re: Smoke Signals: Don't worry about the game, look at all this Audi stuff!
 
[quote=Mattyk72;595219]I really wonder if you even like the Skins sometimes there Spence. My gawd, I just had to wipe my face from all the negativity and sarcasm dripping from that article.[/quote]Love the Skins, Matt. I think all the time and money I've spent on the team over the years is evidence enough of that. Don't like Snyder and don't like losing.

MTK 09-25-2009 02:04 PM

Re: Smoke Signals: Don't worry about the game, look at all this Audi stuff!
 
[quote=Spence;595350]Love the Skins, Matt. I think all the time and money I've spent on the team over the years is evidence enough of that. [B]Don't like Snyder and don't like losing[/B].[/quote]

That's quite obvious.

It's not all bad all the time though, that's all I'm saying.

Spence 09-25-2009 02:06 PM

Re: Smoke Signals: Don't worry about the game, look at all this Audi stuff!
 
[quote=Mattyk72;595354]That's quite obvious.

It's not all bad all the time though, that's all I'm saying.[/quote]Matt, the last decade has been a lot more bad than good, in my opinion. I write good things about the Skins when I think they are merited. And, after all, I did predict them to go 9-7 this year, which proves I'm a cock-eyed optimistic fool.

SmootSmack 09-25-2009 02:07 PM

Re: Smoke Signals: Don't worry about the game, look at all this Audi stuff!
 
[quote=Spence;595357]Matt, the last decade has been a lot more bad than good, in my opinion. I write good things about the Skins when I think they are merited. And, after all, I did predict them to go 9-7 this year, which proves I'm a cock-eyed optimistic fool.[/quote]

I can't remember you ever writing anything remotely positive about anything Snyder has or hasn't done. This Audi deal reflected his poor ownership, not re-signing Demetric Evans reflected his poor ownership...

PennSkinsFan 09-25-2009 02:28 PM

Re: Smoke Signals: Don't worry about the game, look at all this Audi stuff!
 
[quote=SmootSmack;595358]I can't remember you ever writing anything remotely positive about anything Snyder has or hasn't done. This Audi deal reflected his poor ownership, not re-signing Demetric Evans reflected his poor ownership...[/quote]

To be truthful, there hasn't been much. Take away the NFC East title in 1999, because that really wasn't Snyder's team, he has delivered nothing but an average to below average team and higher prices. I mean, we could all argue back and forth, millions of times, and Redskins Nation would been divided down the middle on Snyder. Half like him, half hate him. Maybe is just gets old watching organization like the Steelers, Giants, Colts, and others consistently put up good teams, compete for division titles, go to the playoffs, year after year. Yes, there are some years they have off years. But overall, they consistently win. We were like that in the 80s. We want that again. Can this owner deliver that? At this point, unless there are wholesale changes in the front office, a decade of trying would say no. The biggest stumbling block is and has been, the lack of a professional, prove General Manager.

Like I said though, when it comes to dan Snyder, opinion differ, but generally,t hey fall on one side of the line and the other side of the line.

SmootSmack 09-25-2009 02:47 PM

Re: Smoke Signals: Don't worry about the game, look at all this Audi stuff!
 
[quote=PennSkinsFan;595366]To be truthful, there hasn't been much. Take away the NFC East title in 1999, because that really wasn't Snyder's team, he has delivered nothing but an average to below average team and higher prices. I mean, we could all argue back and forth, millions of times, and Redskins Nation would been divided down the middle on Snyder. Half like him, half hate him. Maybe is just gets old watching organization like the Steelers, Giants, Colts, and others consistently put up good teams, compete for division titles, go to the playoffs, year after year. Yes, there are some years they have off years. But overall, they consistently win. We were like that in the 80s. We want that again. Can this owner deliver that? At this point, unless there are wholesale changes in the front office, a decade of trying would say no. The biggest stumbling block is and has been, the lack of a professional, prove General Manager.

Like I said though, when it comes to dan Snyder, opinion differ, but generally,t hey fall on one side of the line and the other side of the line.[/quote]

Fair points. But, for example, Snyder and Rosenhaus discussing a potential Briggs trade at a hotel bar before Gibbs even interjected is a fair thing to criticize. Snyder throwing all that money at Spurrier (even though other teams were interested as well) is a fair thing to criticize (even Snyder has). But the criticism has too often become based on simply hate (for lack of a better term).

MTK 09-25-2009 02:56 PM

Re: Smoke Signals: Don't worry about the game, look at all this Audi stuff!
 
I get that some don't like Snyder, and hey he certainly has done his fair share of things wrong. It just gets old though especially when it seems like the slams against him aren't always warranted or fair.

Spence 09-25-2009 03:11 PM

Re: Smoke Signals: Don't worry about the game, look at all this Audi stuff!
 
Look, as long as the team is bad and, often embarrassing, Snyder is going to take his licks. He's put himself at the center of decision-making on the team and is therefore appropriately held responsible.

I think me making fun of the Audi deal is being taken too seriously. To me, announcing another sponsorship deal now seems like shuffling the deck chairs on the Titanic. Snyder has found plenty of ways to make money from the Redskins [whether with sponsor deals or by gouging Redskins fans who want to park at his crappy stadium -- and yes, it's crappy, I've got season tickets and I bloody well know], but hasn't demonstrated that he knows what to do with the money he makes. So I make fun of him.

It also has to do with my view of FedEx Field. To me, the place is full of commercialism and too few football fans. I'm not impressed by cigar bars full of bozos who are too drunk to know or care who is winning the game and I'm not impressed by sticking a corporate logo on all and sundry. Yes, I realize other NFL teams do this, but I imagine it is a lot easier to endure if the team is winning. I'm a Redskins fan so I wouldn't know about that.

You can laugh at my jokes or not as you please, but let's not confuse what I'm doing with a hate crime. Not everything I write about the Redskins has to be a serious analysis piece. Sometimes I just take shots at Snyder because it is easy and fun to do. If you find it depressing you might be taking it too seriously.

CRedskinsRule 09-25-2009 03:22 PM

Re: Smoke Signals: Don't worry about the game, look at all this Audi stuff!
 
[quote=Spence;595385]Look, as long as the team is bad and, often embarrassing, Snyder is going to take his licks. He's put himself at the center of decision-making on the team and is therefore appropriately held responsible.

I think me making fun of the Audi deal is being taken too seriously. To me, announcing another sponsorship deal now seems like shuffling the deck chairs on the Titanic. Snyder has found plenty of ways to make money from the Redskins [whether with sponsor deals or by gouging Redskins fans who want to park at his crappy stadium -- and yes, it's crappy, I've got season tickets and I bloody well know], but hasn't demonstrated that he knows what to do with the money he makes. So I make fun of him.

It also has to do with my view of FedEx Field. To me, the place is full of commercialism and too few football fans. I'm not impressed by cigar bars full of bozos who are too drunk to know or care who is winning the game and I'm not impressed by sticking a corporate logo on all and sundry. [B]Yes, I realize other NFL teams do this, but I imagine it is a lot easier to endure if the team is winning. I'm a Redskins fan so I wouldn't know about that.
[/B]
You can laugh at my jokes or not as you please, but let's not confuse what I'm doing with a hate crime. Not everything I write about the Redskins has to be a serious analysis piece. Sometimes I just take shots at Snyder because it is easy and fun to do. If you find it depressing you might be taking it too seriously.[/quote]

I bet the Lions are glad you aren't their fan.

Fed Ex does suck, but Snyder inherited that. What do you want him to do, tear it down and build a new one? (I wouldn't necessarily object). And to hate him, without acknowledging that he seems to have made strides, even if they are smaller than we all would like to see.

Ruhskins 09-25-2009 03:27 PM

Re: Smoke Signals: Don't worry about the game, look at all this Audi stuff!
 
[quote=Spence;595385]It also has to do with my view of FedEx Field. To me, the place is full of commercialism and too few football fans. I'm not impressed by cigar bars full of bozos who are too drunk to know or care who is winning the game and I'm not impressed by [B]sticking a corporate logo[/B] on all and sundry. [B]Yes, I realize other NFL teams do this, but I imagine it is a lot easier to endure if the team is winning. I'm a Redskins fan so I wouldn't know about that.[/B][/quote]

Every NFL team does this, including those that continue to have losing records year after year.

Spence 09-25-2009 03:46 PM

Re: Smoke Signals: Don't worry about the game, look at all this Audi stuff!
 
[quote=Ruhskins;595393]Every NFL team does this, including those that continue to have losing records year after year.[/quote]
Right, but I'm not a fan of those teams.


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