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SKINS73 10-20-2009 12:23 AM

Another way to look at it...
 
Since it appears our offense has hit rock bottom, any changes we make next season will be an improvement. It's almost a given that Snyder will go after the best OL he can find through FA. I'm thinking he will go after Marcus McNeil in San Diego and over pay him. If he doesn't get him he will find some lineman to throw some cash to. After we get a FA OL hopefully we'll address additional OL needs in the draft. The way things are going we're sure to get a top 5 pick. Instead of trading the pick for more picks we need to grab Russell Okung, he is the best blind side protector in the draft and a beast in the run. We take 6'6" QB Tony Pike in the 2nd round - a tall QB who can see the entire field and actually throw the ball. After that we just add more depth on the line and maybe grab a running back somewhere. Whar do you guys think? Do you have any FA / Draft combos you would like to see happen?

Trample the Elderly 10-20-2009 12:29 AM

Re: Another way to look at it...
 
If it's an uncapped year it will not matter. There will not be a big crop of free agent offensive linemen. There isn't a big pool of them to begin with. Unlike us, other teams covet their linemen.

tryfuhl 10-20-2009 12:31 AM

Re: Another way to look at it...
 
It's been almost a given every year.. there are no givens around here.

DBUCHANON101 10-20-2009 12:36 AM

Re: Another way to look at it...
 
McNeil and another top OL in the draft would be good for a start, we still need a good Center and a OG unless the young guys can step up and fill in.
This is why i said earlier we should trade Landry and Cooley for picks as we have many needs that need to be addressed with young talent. If we had 2 number 1's id say get an OT and maybe a RB like Best from Cal or the guy Ingram from bama. I dont know if they are Sr's or not but if they come out we need a change in the backfield as CP has lost it. Then we could snag a QB in the 2nd like Pike who may be there or im sure a new prospect will emerge by draft time. Im not sold on Bradford or McCoy.

GTripp0012 10-20-2009 12:39 AM

Re: Another way to look at it...
 
[quote=SKINS73;612471]Since it appears our offense has hit rock bottom, any changes we make next season will be an improvement. It's almost a given that Snyder will go after the best OL he can find through FA. I'm thinking he will go after Marcus McNeil in San Diego and over pay him. If he doesn't get him he will find some lineman to throw some cash to. After we get a FA OL hopefully we'll address additional OL needs in the draft. The way things are going we're sure to get a top 5 pick. Instead of trading the pick for more picks we need to grab Russell Okung, he is the best blind side protector in the draft and a beast in the run. We take 6'6" QB Tony Pike in the 2nd round - a tall QB who can see the entire field and actually throw the ball. After that we just add more depth on the line and maybe grab a running back somewhere. Whar do you guys think? Do you have any FA / Draft combos you would like to see happen?[/quote]Well, assuming we finish out of the top 8 teams, which seems to be a virtual certainty at this point, rebuilding an entire unit will be quite easy.

You can move everyone on offense out except the bare bones and building blocks. You can cut bait with Thomas and/or Kelly, Moss, Yoder, Sellers, Betts, Rabach, Samuels, Thomas, Collins, etc, and go bargain basement on a lot of free agents who will be available, and get the depth issue correct from the start.

For the record, we would be signing:

2 quarterbacks
1 running back
1 fullback
2 wide receivers
1 tight end
2 offensive tackles
1 offensive guard
1 center

and probably not breaking the bank for any one player.

And the product wouldn't be very good to begin with. But you could improve it through the draft over time. And no more of the current BS.

DBUCHANON101 10-20-2009 12:42 AM

Re: Another way to look at it...
 
[quote=GTripp0012;612481]Well, assuming we finish out of the top 8 teams, which seems to be a virtual certainty at this point, rebuilding an entire unit will be quite easy.

You can move everyone on offense out except the bare bones and building blocks. You can cut bait with Thomas and/or Kelly, Moss, Yoder, Sellers, Betts, Rabach, Samuels, Thomas, Collins, etc, and go bargain basement on a lot of free agents who will be available, and get the depth issue correct from the start.

For the record, we would be signing:

2 quarterbacks
1 running back
1 fullback
2 wide receivers
1 tight end
2 offensive tackles
1 offensive guard
1 center

and [B]probably not breaking the bank for any one player.[/B]

And the product wouldn't be very good to begin with. But you could improve it through the draft over time. And no more of the current BS.[/quote]

You dont know us very well do you?

GTripp0012 10-20-2009 12:43 AM

Re: Another way to look at it...
 
[quote=DBUCHANON101;612484]You dont know us very well do you?[/quote]Who are we talking about again?

Chevy13 10-20-2009 03:34 AM

Re: Another way to look at it...
 
[quote=GTripp0012;612481]Well, assuming we finish out of the top 8 teams, which seems to be a virtual certainty at this point, rebuilding an entire unit will be quite easy.

You can move everyone on offense out except the bare bones and building blocks. You can cut bait with Thomas and/or Kelly, Moss, Yoder, Sellers, Betts, Rabach, Samuels, Thomas, Collins, etc, and go bargain basement on a lot of free agents who will be available, and get the depth issue correct from the start.

For the record, we would be signing:

2 quarterbacks
1 running back
1 fullback
2 wide receivers
1 tight end
2 offensive tackles
1 offensive guard
1 center

and probably not breaking the bank for any one player.

[B]And the product wouldn't be very good to begin with. But you could improve it through the draft over time.[/B] And no more of the current BS.[/quote]

You mean we'll have to wait for the team to improve instead of winning now!!?? It's true you really don't know us! :silly:

Luxorreb 10-20-2009 03:58 AM

Re: Another way to look at it...
 
No matter what we do, unless Vinny is gone we won't change. Norv to Gibbs to Zorn. Vinny must go.

tryfuhl 10-20-2009 05:44 AM

Re: Another way to look at it...
 
[quote=Luxorreb;612526]No matter what we do, unless Vinny is gone we won't change. Norv to Gibbs to Zorn. Vinny must go.[/quote]
Vinny wasn't here for Norv really, just showing up in 99... Gibbs made his own decisions for the most part it seemed

not to say Vinny shouldn't be blamed at all

DBUCHANON101 10-20-2009 06:01 AM

Re: Another way to look at it...
 
Its a collection of reasons really, everyone from the owner on down to the players are to blame.
We have players who probably arent the best fit for the WCO. Dont try to put square pegs into round holes. rule 1
We always go after players who succeeded in different schemes and try to force them to do well in ours.
Need to draft better and keep our picks. draft by NEED,not the "sexy" pick.
We dont really have a leader on offense. Which is needed.
DS tries, ill give him that. He doesnt make the best decisions in hindsight but i cant remember complaining about a recent move he made. I remember driving home from work and hearing we got jason Taylor, i was excited. ofcourse now it was a bad idea.
I was pumped when we got Big Al, he is doing what we brought him in for. Ask Carter and the other Dlinemen if they are glad to have him.
Spurrier, at the time there was a line of owners who have been trying to lure him out of the college ranks for yrs. DS got him and it failed. win some you lose some. Some guys are just better suited for the college game.
I know this is just a long list, ive been up for 20 hrs so my mind is jello right now.
It could be worse, we could be like the Bucs were when they were millions under the cap and losing.

skins89moss 10-20-2009 06:13 AM

Re: Another way to look at it...
 
[quote=DBUCHANON101;612543]Its a collection of reasons really, everyone from the owner on down to the players are to blame.
We have players who probably arent the best fit for the WCO. Dont try to put square pegs into round holes. rule 1
We always go after players who succeeded in different schemes and try to force them to do well in ours.
Need to draft better and keep our picks. draft by NEED,not the "sexy" pick.
We dont really have a leader on offense. Which is needed.
DS tries, ill give him that. He doesnt make the best decisions in hindsight but i cant remember complaining about a recent move he made. I remember driving home from work and hearing we got jason Taylor, i was excited. ofcourse now it was a bad idea.
I was pumped when we got Big Al, he is doing what we brought him in for. Ask Carter and the other Dlinemen if they are glad to have him.
Spurrier, at the time there was a line of owners who have been trying to lure him out of the college ranks for yrs. DS got him and it failed. win some you lose some. Some guys are just better suited for the college game.
I know this is just a long list, ive been up for 20 hrs so my mind is jello right now.
It could be worse, we could be like the Bucs were when they were millions under the cap and losing.[/quote]

Well Tampa has won a Super Bowl more resent than the Redskins have. Tampa are wishing now that they kept Tony Dungy. I do think the entire Redskins organization has to take blame for our losing ways. The coaches coach and the players play. The F/O aquires the players that are suppose to fit the scheme the coaches teach. This is not working some heads must roll now.

KI Skins Fan 10-20-2009 08:03 AM

Re: Another way to look at it...
 
I am convinced that unless and until we get a qualified GM who has the final say on personnel it will just be more of the same around here. Wake me up if and when this ever happens.

Daseal 10-20-2009 08:43 AM

Re: Another way to look at it...
 
Remember folks -- when the league goes uncapped, there will be fewer FAs, not more. Each team gets an additional tag to hold on to players so they can keep players much easier.

BDBohnzie 10-20-2009 10:40 AM

Re: Another way to look at it...
 
[quote=Daseal;612583]Remember folks -- when the league goes uncapped, there will be fewer FAs, not more. Each team gets an additional tag to hold on to players so they can keep players much easier.[/quote]
While this is true, those who are FAs will have their agents busting down Snyder's door, knowing that the man will show them the money. So while there are less FAs to choose from, if Snyder is still willing to open the checkbook, the cream of the crop so to speak should be here.


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