Demarcus Ware extension
 

Why isn't the media stating what the contract is worth over time? It's well over 100 million dollars yet they have to sugar coat it by saying it's worth 13 million per season - so the Cowboys look like geniuses and we look like "idiots" for signing Haynesworth to a "100 million dollar deal with potential of 117 million". I am convinced the media hates the Washington Redskins.

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I am abstaining from anything on that contract until the full details are released. 118 mill over 6 years. 40 mill guaranteed. Hoping there are more than a few incentives in there.

The key number is the guaranteed money though.

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I feel you man. Especially the NFL network and the Fox Nfl pregame show.

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Dirthogs - while I agree with you that the media is not bashing the Cowboys like the Skins there is one critical difference between him and Haynesworth - at least the Cowboys had the smarts to draft him and get a lot of cheap effective years to help balance out the cost. With the Skins and signing Haynesworth they did not get to have the effective play of Haynesworth for the years that Tennessee got by drafting him and getting his play off a affordable rookie contract.

Overall we need to start drafting smarter so we can get players who play really good during their rookie contracts - often players are playing to their highest level to get that big time free agent contract and the Skins need a bunch of those types on their roster more than ones who are here because they cashed in.

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[quote=sandtrapjack;615447]I am abstaining from anything on that contract until the full details are released. 118 mill over 6 years. 40 mill guaranteed. Hoping there are more than a few incentives in there.

The key number is the guaranteed money though.[/quote]

I thought it was $78 million over 6 years max. Where are people getting over $100 million

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[quote=Bill B;615454]Dirthogs - while I agree with you that the media is not bashing the Cowboys like the Skins there is one critical difference between him and Haynesworth - at least the Cowboys had the smarts to draft him and get a lot of cheap effective years to help balance out the cost. With the Skins and signing Haynesworth they did not get to have the effective play of Haynesworth for the years that Tennessee got by drafting him and getting his play off a affordable rookie contract.

Overall we need to start drafting smarter so we can get players who play really good during their rookie contracts - often players are playing to their highest level to get that big time free agent contract and the Skins need a bunch of those types on their roster more than ones who are here because they cashed in.[/quote]

Well it's early but will Orakpo be the one who we draft, developed and resign? If it's true that Ware got the 100 million dollars deal.. Imagine how much it would cost us to keep Orakpo after his contract expires?

Edit: Just saw this on ESPN; 78 millions worth but 40 millions guaranteed.. It's still a lot.. Definitely better than Hayneswoth's though..

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[quote=GridIron26;615457]Well it's early but will Orakpo be the one who we draft, developed and resign? If it's true that Ware got the 100 million dollars deal.. Imagine how much it would cost us to keep Orakpo after his contract expires?[/quote]


Probably something similar - but even if we are unable to resign him the main point I am making is we got him for a relative bargain rookie contract for his first 6 years which is all likelihood will be his most effective years - yes some pros play to their new jackpot contracts but a good amount never live up to expectations - my point is we need to keep after drafting young talent so we don't get a team full of big time free agents from other teams that may be approaching the downsides of their careers. Remember football is quite different than baseball in that buying a bunch of players does not equal the championship because age is not taken into the equation as much as it should be with regards to wear and tear on the body and a players effectiveness.

I should stress that getting effective players from the lower rounds is also almost as important - yes there are a few players who will holdout after a couple of years because they feel they are underpaid, but if you start landing some gems from the lower rounds you can offset your costs in bulding depth within the team.

Now I know that many will come back and say it does not matter anymore if we go to an uncapped year as long as Synder is willing to eat mistake after mistake - but I still feel you need to build the foundation through the draft and plug in the remaining holes via free agency - the reason I feel this way is I think drafting home grown talent helps to build the locker room - overpaying free agents from other teams has to me built the feeling around the league that you come ot Washington to get paid - we need to change that to make Washington the place to go to win Championships. And again I think with the average age of nfl careers between 3-4 years you are basically betting aginst the odds of the free agents you are getting not getting injured. Age definately plays a part and the longer the player is in the league the higher his chances for injuries - so youth needs to be major factor in the buildup of your roster if you want to last a full 16 game season and playoffs.

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[quote=Bill B;615464]Probably something similar - but even if we are unable to resign him the main point I am making is we got him for a relative bargain rookie contract for his first 6 years which is all likelihood will be his most effective years - yes some pros play to their new jackpot contracts but a good amount never live up to expectations - my point is we need to keep after drafting young talent so we don't get a team full of big time free agents from other teams that may be approaching the downsides of their careers. Remember football is quite different than baseball in that buying a bunch of players does not equal the championship because age is not taken into the equation as much as it should be with regards to wear and tear on the body and a players effectiveness.

I should stress that getting effective players from the lower rounds is also almost as important - yes there are a few players who will holdout after a couple of years because they feel they are underpaid, but if you start landing some gems from the lower rounds you can offset your costs in bulding depth within the team.

Now I know that many will come back and say it does not matter anymore if we go to an uncapped year as long as Synder is willing to eat mistake after mistake - but I still feel you need to build the foundation through the draft and plug in the remaining holes via free agency - the reason I feel this way is I think drafting home grown talent helps to build the locker room - overpaying free agents from other teams has to me built the feeling around the league that you come ot Washington to get paid - we need to change that to make Washington the place to go to win Championships. And again I think with the average age of nfl careers between 3-4 years you are basically betting aginst the odds of the free agents you are getting not getting injured. Age definately plays a part and the longer the player is in the league the higher his chances for injuries - so youth needs to be major factor in the buildup of your roster if you want to last a full 16 game season and playoffs.[/quote]

Good post..

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[quote=dirthogs311;615440]Why isn't the media stating what the contract is worth over time? It's well over 100 million dollars yet they have to sugar coat it by saying it's worth 13 million per season - so the Cowboys look like geniuses and we look like "idiots" for signing Haynesworth to a "100 million dollar deal with potential of 117 million". I am convinced the media hates the Washington Redskins.[/quote]

When Lil' Danny and Vinny stop acting like idiots, they'll stop treating them like idiots.

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[quote=GridIron26;615467]Good post..[/quote]

Two things I see with this post that caught my attention.

1. It is much easier said than done when referring to picking up great young talent and rebuilding your team to get the most bang for your buck. Good post with good intentions, but VERY hard to actually pick em out. Starting with a better front office might help there...........that should be our first move, but Im sure 99% of you all agree there, so........

2. Get home grown talent, bring the locker room together. I guess this suggestion makes the assumption that guys from the same locale will instill some sort of pride in each other??? Shit, If you are looking for NFL talent in Maryland, Virginia and the DC area, be prepared to be disappointed. Id rather get a bunch of guys from different areas that come together under the Redskin banner, which of course, is possible if we can instill that old sense of pride, bringing the skins faithful back to DC. Of course, that starts with the Front Office again...................

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[quote=SmootSmack;615456]I thought it was $78 million over 6 years max. Where are people getting over $100 million[/quote]

i dont know. evidently they cant do simple math and think 6x13 is more than 100.

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[quote=Mechanix544;615476]Two things I see with this post that caught my attention.

1. It is much easier said than done when referring to picking up great young talent and rebuilding your team to get the most bang for your buck. Good post with good intentions, but VERY hard to actually pick em out. Starting with a better front office might help there...........that should be our first move, but Im sure 99% of you all agree there, so........

2. Get home grown talent, bring the locker room together. I guess this suggestion makes the assumption that guys from the same locale will instill some sort of pride in each other??? Shit, If you are looking for NFL talent in Maryland, Virginia and the DC area, be prepared to be disappointed. Id rather get a bunch of guys from different areas that come together under the Redskin banner, which of course, is possible if we can instill that old sense of pride, bringing the skins faithful back to DC. Of course, that starts with the Front Office again...................[/quote]


Mechanix544 - what I meant by home grown talent was not locationally but rather building through the draft - picking players who grow through your system. I will say though that if we don't get Russsel Okung the left tackle from Oklahoma State many draft sites actually have Bruce Campbell from Maryland as the next best left tackle prospect. If we got either Okung or Bruce Campbell that would be a step in the right direction.

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[quote=dirthogs311;615440]Why isn't the media stating what the contract is worth over time? It's well over 100 million dollars yet they have to sugar coat it by saying it's worth 13 million per season - so the Cowboys look like geniuses and we look like "idiots" for signing Haynesworth to a "100 million dollar deal with potential of 117 million". I am convinced the media hates the Washington Redskins.[/quote]


The reason "they" are not saying it is because it isn't the case. Ware's deal is worth about $80M not $100M and it's 6 years not 7.


Look down the road - - as everyone here is wont to do when projecting player capabilities into the future - - and ask yourself who you would rather have 5 years from now: DeMarcus Ware or Albert Haynesworth?


Candidly, I think Ware will be the more valuable player and Haynesworth will likely be hobbling by then. I'd prefer to be wrong about that one, but I think that's the case.


The media does [B]NOT[/B] hate the Redskins. The media [B]LOVES[/B] the Redskins because the Redskins organiztion gives the media stories to run with 12 months a year. When it is a "slow week" in NFL News - - say no one shot himself in the leg or no one ran over a pedestrian and killed them - - the media can always count on the Skins' organization to do something that will create a story such as:
[INDENT]Hiring a head coach who had never been a head coach anywhere in football and who had never been a coordinator before.

Hiring a "consultant" who turned into the de facto offensive coordinator despite that "consultant" having been out of football for about 3 years.

Signing a rag-armed QB and then trading up in the draft to take a QB in the first round.

Signing the first player to a nine figure contract.

Suing season ticket holders who don't pay up.[/INDENT]

Every sportswriter in the country loves having the Skins around to use as a "go to source" when they need a column on deadline...

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WAre got what he deserves & the pokes did the right thing. Haynesworth's deal definitely had a lot to do w/it. They likely convinced he & his agent that he'll see more of the $40 mil than AH will the $41 he signed for.

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[quote=Bill B;615464]Probably something similar - but even if we are unable to resign him the main point I am making is we got him for a relative bargain rookie contract for his first 6 years which is all likelihood will be his most effective years - yes some pros play to their new jackpot contracts but a good amount never live up to expectations - my point is we need to keep after drafting young talent so we don't get a team full of big time free agents from other teams that may be approaching the downsides of their careers. Remember football is quite different than baseball in that buying a bunch of players does not equal the championship because age is not taken into the equation as much as it should be with regards to wear and tear on the body and a players effectiveness.

I should stress that getting effective players from the lower rounds is also almost as important - yes there are a few players who will holdout after a couple of years because they feel they are underpaid, but if you start landing some gems from the lower rounds you can offset your costs in bulding depth within the team.

Now I know that many will come back and say it does not matter anymore if we go to an uncapped year as long as Synder is willing to eat mistake after mistake - but I still feel you need to build the foundation through the draft and plug in the remaining holes via free agency - the reason I feel this way is I think drafting home grown talent helps to build the locker room - overpaying free agents from other teams has to me built the feeling around the league that you come ot Washington to get paid - we need to change that to make Washington the place to go to win Championships. And again I think with the average age of nfl careers between 3-4 years you are basically betting aginst the odds of the free agents you are getting not getting injured. Age definately plays a part and the longer the player is in the league the higher his chances for injuries - so youth needs to be major factor in the buildup of your roster if you want to last a full 16 game season and playoffs.[/quote]

Yes, a well thought out post. I would like to add, if you don't mind, the new guys (rookies) are full of piss and vineager and really want to show everone how good they are. In other words, you get 100%.