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Paintrain 11-09-2009 03:38 PM

Sonny indicates our prayers may be answered
 
In perhaps the most damning comments from Snyder's 'inner circle' Sonny J. made some comments on the radio today that indicate that Vinny may be gone if things stay the way they are.. [url=http://voices.washingtonpost.com/dcsportsbog/2009/11/sonny_on_vinny_he_is_tied_to_t.html?wprss=dcsportsbog]D.C. Sports Bog - Sonny on Vinny: "He is tied to this thing"[/url]
[quote=D.C. Sports Bog]
"Sonny, on the pregame show yesterday with me, you said something that I've never heard you say as definitively as you said it yesterday," Sheehan began. "You in essence said that this whole mess is really on Vinny's watch, that Vinny Cerrato's been making the decisions ever since he got the title promotion, that the decisions have been his and basically his alone. Will you sort of describe that a little bit more this morning?"

"You know, I think Joe Gibbs and Dan Snyder felt that Vinny had earned the opportunity to lead this football team, and they gave him that," Jurgensen said. "And Gibbs agreed with Snyder. And they gave him the opportunity to make the decisions. And I think, from my understanding, it was his decision to bring in another set of eyes, it was his decision to have [Sherm Lewis] call the plays, and I think these have been his decisions. He's living and dying by the success of this football team. He's tied to it. And he realizes that. And I think he would tell you that. You know, it's got to be successful for him to be here and continue in this position."

Well, it hasn't been successful. And if Sonny's understanding of things is correct, a lot of Redskins fans are now very, very happy. Pollin followed up, asking Jurgensen to assume for a minute that the Redskins win two more games and finish 4-12, which is about the right over-under at this point. In that scenario, he asked, "Can you pretty much confidently say that he's gone?"

"Yeah, I would think so, I would think so," Jurgensen said, as many listeners heard the sounds of heavenly chimes and angels singing HTTR. "I like Vinny, I don't want to....This is what is going to happen, I think. I think it's obvious that we've fired six or seven coaches, we've given him an opportunity. That's not to say Vinny wouldn't be here, but they could give Vinny something else." [/quote]

Oh if it were to be so, that would make a brotha happy.

Mattyk 11-09-2009 03:50 PM

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The question is how could Snyder NOT make a move and get Vinny out of there?

Chico23231 11-09-2009 03:50 PM

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I just dont see how Vinny can survive....if he does then the answer to the question Who is the worst Owner in the League would undoubtally go to Danny Boy

duetsch215 11-09-2009 03:54 PM

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if it happens, party in the nation's capital!!!!!!:woot:

JoeRedskin 11-09-2009 04:12 PM

Re: Sonny indicates our prayers may be answered
 
I really, really, really, don't get DS's infatuation with Vinny. I mean, the only success this team has had is when Vinny was subordinate to Gibbs. What is his fascination with this guy? Can someone please, please explain??? I am serious so please don't give me the "he's got pictures" response. For 10 years, more or less, Vinny has been intergral to this team and it has been mediocre, unfocused and, without Gibbs around, team turmoil. How does DS not see this is Vinny? Particularly after the smear campaign on GW.

Any way, if someone has a serious answer - I'd love to hear it.

Redskin Warrior 11-09-2009 04:18 PM

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I would be a happy man if we could get Vinny out of here!!! DS please fire your butt boy!!! All good things must come to an end in this case all terrible things must get better at sometime.

FRPLG 11-09-2009 04:20 PM

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I don't care about who we fire and blame for this disaster. All that matter is that someone competent is finally put in full charge of football decisions. Vinny'y fault. Gibbs's fault, Snyder's fault...I dont care. What I do know is that whoever has been the top of the mountain, the driving force behind our basic direction, has done poorly. Someone else is needed. A true fresh set of eyes who also has termination power and roster manipulation power. Solely and without interference. Then we have to hope the guy is good at it.

Paintrain 11-09-2009 04:22 PM

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[quote=JoeRedskin;623020]I really, really, really, don't get DS's infatuation with Vinny. I mean, the only success this team has had is when Vinny was subordinate to Gibbs. What is his fascination with this guy? Can someone please, please explain??? I am serious so please don't give me the "he's got pictures" response. For 10 years, more or less, Vinny has been intergral to this team and it has been mediocre, unfocused and, without Gibbs around, team turmoil. How does DS not see this is Vinny? Particularly after the smear campaign on GW.

Any way, if someone has a serious answer - I'd love to hear it.[/quote]

Well, he was part of the original team that Howard Milstein put together when he was trying to buy the team from the Cooke family and was basically installed as the incoming GM. When Milstein's bid failed he was basically absorbed by the Snyder group in the same role. He had a good (on paper) pedigree from Notre Dame and SF 49ers. Apparently he really ingratiated himself to Snyder and wowed him with his accomplishments.

For most of the time he's been with the team, he's been the face to sign on to whatever Snyder wanted to do. Schottenheimer recognized this and booted him immediately. Spurrier was told he would be getting a different GM but Snyder brought in Vinny instead. Gibbs also recognized this but minimized him rather than fire him. I guess Gibbs & Snyder thought that he had learned from Gibbs (who was awful IMO in the personnel role in Gibbs 2.0) enough to run the whole show himself. I think it's obvious now that he is a total failure in that role.

Hog1 11-09-2009 04:37 PM

Re: Sonny indicates our prayers may be answered
 
[quote=JoeRedskin;623020]I really, really, really, don't get DS's infatuation with Vinny. I mean, the only success this team has had is when Vinny was subordinate to Gibbs. What is his fascination with this guy? Can someone please, please explain??? I am serious so please don't give me the "he's got pictures" response. For 10 years, more or less, Vinny has been intergral to this team and it has been mediocre, unfocused and, without Gibbs around, team turmoil. How does DS not see this is Vinny? Particularly after the smear campaign on GW.

Any way, if someone has a serious answer - I'd love to hear it.[/quote]
I REALLY don't get it either. I am sure there are plenty of jobs he can be doing successfully that do not keep a 1.6 Billion dollar francise circling the drain?
Yo Vin....throw me the.........Billy Baroo

warpaint 11-09-2009 04:38 PM

Re: Sonny indicates our prayers may be answered
 
[quote=JoeRedskin;623020]I really, really, really, don't get DS's infatuation with Vinny. I mean, the only success this team has had is when Vinny was subordinate to Gibbs. What is his fascination with this guy? Can someone please, please explain??? I am serious so please don't give me the "he's got pictures" response. For 10 years, more or less, Vinny has been intergral to this team and it has been mediocre, unfocused and, without Gibbs around, team turmoil. How does DS not see this is Vinny? Particularly after the smear campaign on GW.

Any way, if someone has a serious answer - I'd love to hear it.[/quote]

The only person who will be able to answer that is DS himself.

Maybe behind closed doors he makes these moving and well thought presentations of the direction of the team. He is doing a good job of holding onto his job.

Just cant wait until he gets the boot!

SouperMeister 11-09-2009 04:42 PM

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Assuming that the team finishes 4-12, I don't see how Snyder rationalizes keeping Vinny. Drafting Davis, Thomas, and Kelly was a stroke of brilliance when we were weak on both lines, but especially vulnerable on the O-line. This team is built like a fantasy football team. Somebody give Snyder a clue that his next GM better have an extensive plan to rebuild our line, or we will become a perenniel neighbor of Detroit and St. Louis in the standings.

CRedskinsRule 11-09-2009 05:00 PM

Re: Sonny indicates our prayers may be answered
 
[quote=JoeRedskin;623020]I really, really, really, don't get DS's infatuation with Vinny. I mean, the only success this team has had is when Vinny was subordinate to Gibbs. What is his fascination with this guy? Can someone please, please explain??? I am serious so please don't give me the "he's got pictures" response. For 10 years, more or less, Vinny has been intergral to this team and it has been mediocre, unfocused and, without Gibbs around, team turmoil. How does DS not see this is Vinny? Particularly after the smear campaign on GW.

Any way, if someone has a serious answer - I'd love to hear it.[/quote]

He's got pictures, seriously.

skinsfan69 11-09-2009 05:13 PM

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He's got pics of Snyder doing coke w/ 3 strippers in a hotel room. I mean he's just about the most incompetent person I've ever seen in an important position. Forget about his record, I can tell that just by listening to him talk.

Bill B 11-09-2009 05:24 PM

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Thanks for posting Paintrain and this is wonderful news! If DS does fire Vinny and goes about what everyone here is saying about getting the best money that can buy in regards to a GM he is finally getting at the root of the problem and we have hope.

47FAN 11-09-2009 05:31 PM

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I along with everyone else here will party the min we hear that it has happen. HEis the problem. We might have other little problems but he is a big problem.


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