Steelers GM
Did anybody see the Steelers tonight?
Lordy be they are stocked with talent. They pick in the bottom of the first round but yet they come up with gems. Can we lure their GM? |
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[quote=Defensewins;623218]Did anybody see the Steelers tonight?
Lordy be they are stocked with talent. They pick in the bottom of the first round but yet they come up with gems. Can we lure their GM?[/quote] I want a GM that can do a good job at picking up at the top and bottom of the rounds. I think we need to be realistic on who could we get for GM and FO. |
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maybe a personnel director or something, prob not their GM
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Just so every one knows. Pittsburg does not pick Olinemen in the early rounds. They never pick an offensive lineman, before the third round.
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[quote=T.O.Killa;623580]Just so every one knows. Pittsburg does not pick Olinemen in the early rounds. They never pick an offensive lineman, before the third round.[/quote]
They do something with their linemen that we do not: COACH THEM. |
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[quote=T.O.Killa;623580]Just so every one knows. Pittsburg does not pick Olinemen in the early rounds. They never pick an offensive lineman, before the third round.[/quote]Yeah, that was the one thing that jumped out at me last night when they were showing the Steelers last 10 or so first round picks: no O-linemen. I was worried that Vinny was watching the game going "See, see! I knew I didn't need to draft linemen!"
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[quote=ArtMonkDrillz;623596]Yeah, that was the one thing that jumped out at me last night when they were showing the Steelers last 10 or so first round picks: no O-linemen. I was worried that Vinny was watching the game going "See, see! I knew I didn't need to draft linemen!"[/quote]
I thought Pittsburgh didn't have a good offensive line? |
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[quote=Ruhskins;623597]I thought Pittsburgh didn't have a good offensive line?[/quote]
they dont |
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[quote=ArtMonkDrillz;623596]Yeah, that was the one thing that jumped out at me last night when they were showing the Steelers last 10 or so first round picks: no O-linemen. I was worried that Vinny was watching the game going "See, see! I knew I didn't need to draft linemen!"[/quote]
Yeah , but Vinny never picks Oline altogether. They pick one to three every draft. There line is constnatly getting better, they are young and are very good run blockers. |
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[quote=T.O.Killa;623601]Yeah , but Vinny never picks Oline altogether. They pick one to three every draft. There line is constnatly getting better, they are young and are very good run blockers.[/quote]
Steeler Guards Chris Kemoeatu and Trial Essex had a monster game. Along with big [B]run blocking TE's[/B] Heath Miller and Matt Spaeth, they were putting on a run clinic 10 yards at a time last night. On a couple of those cool counter plays, they looked like the Redskins of old, but with a new wrinkle. A guard pulling followed by a big TE, instead of the redskins counter trey of a G and T. RT Willie Colon and LT Max Starks also looked strong. With big and young RB Rashard Mendenhall running hard. I laughed hard when old WR Hines Ward hurdled Champ Bailey's tackle attempt and scored a TD. Champ was humiliated. Steelers are peaking and looking like the strongest team at the moment. |
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[quote=Ruhskins;623597]I thought Pittsburgh didn't have a good offensive line?[/quote]
They really dont but because they don't have BUM ASS JC, they actually can make plays downfield and put up pts. |
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they don't have a big name O-line but just like Snyder, fans need to realize that big names and good performance do not necessarily go hand in hand
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[quote=44 70 chip;623619]they don't have a big name O-line but just like Snyder, fans need to realize that big names and good performance do not necessarily go hand in hand[/quote]
There's a difference between having a no name line and a bad offensive line. The Steelers have a bad offensive line, but they have an elite game-changing defense, a very good QB, two quality receivers, and now they have a young bruising RB that runs well on a bad o-line. |
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[quote=Defensewins;623218]Did anybody see the Steelers tonight?
Lordy be they are stocked with talent. They pick in the bottom of the first round but yet they come up with gems. Can we lure their GM?[/quote] Did you see this thread? [url]http://www.thewarpath.net/redskins-locker-room/33225-article-kevin-colbert-steelers-dir-football.html[/url] |
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Their offensive line is bad but I don't think you can compare the ineptitude of our line to that line. That line went to the superbowl...you can't have a 'bad' offensive line and go to the super bowl. If anything it is an average line, still way better than ours.
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[quote=Lotus;623587]They do something with their linemen that we do not: COACH THEM.[/quote]
[B]I don't like Joe Bugel disses.[/B] |
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Polly wanna cracker!!!!
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[quote=joethiesmanfan;623701][B]I don't like Joe Bugel disses.[/B][/quote]
Look, I've admired Buges for decades. But the fact is that our line in recent years has revealed both a lack of talent and a lack of coaching. |
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[quote=Lotus;623587]They do something with their linemen that we do not: [B]COACH THEM[/B].[/quote]
the greatest coach in the world wouldn't make a difference with these stiffs. you need talent first. then a good coach can make a difference |
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^ Exactly. You have one starter right now, Dockery. Rabach is borderline. And 3 NFL backups. Thank the FO for this. Buges didnt forget how to coach.
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[quote=Chico23231;623717]^ Exactly. You have one starter right now, Dockery. Rabach is borderline. And 3 NFL backups. Thank the FO for this. Buges didnt forget how to coach.[/quote]
Blame runs so deep in this organization. Remember Buges when questioned in the preseason said, "I am not worried about these guys [speaking of the RT,RG,C,LG], they can get it done, Ask me about my backup LT" (I am going from memory, but am certain of the quote. The bottom line is that from top to bottom there should be no sacred cows. This teams has underperformed, players have not been developed, talent has been overestimated, and from position 53 to position 1, from the lowest assistant HC to VC, and the owner's role. EVERYTHING has to be cleaned out. I am not saying everybody goes, but certainly no one should stay on name alone. Buges is responsible for the OL the OL failed. I will shed no tear if he is gone next year. I will thank him, but it is time to move forward. |
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^Yeah, I would agree it is time for him to move on and this organization does need a cleaning out. Your right about that. Buges is responsible for the OL and there is absolutely no arguement about them failing...wow
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[quote=CRedskinsRule;623722]Blame runs so deep in this organization. Remember [B]Buges when questioned in the preseason said, "I am not worried about these guys [/B][speaking of the RT,RG,C,LG], they can get it done, Ask me about my backup LT" (I am going from memory, but am certain of the quote.
The bottom line is that from top to bottom there should be no sacred cows. This teams has underperformed, players have not been developed, talent has been overestimated, and from position 53 to position 1, from the lowest assistant HC to VC, and the owner's role. EVERYTHING has to be cleaned out. I am not saying everybody goes, but certainly no one should stay on name alone. Buges is responsible for the OL the OL failed. I will shed no tear if he is gone next year. I will thank him, but it is time to move forward.[/quote] What's he gonna say, our guys suck? Do you think Buges impacted the draft strategy? Doesn't sound like it, at least if you believe the skins insider on wash post which reported that it was agreed the o line was the weakest unit. I think buges might go once or even before the presumed coaching change is made. Just a feeling. |
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they look good because they have a qb who make plays. They are very similar to us they have a great defense. A crappy line, marginal wideouts, great tightend, okay runningbacks. the only difference is the QB.
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^ Wait for it..... wait for it...
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This is usually where someone chimes in and says something along the lines that the Steelers defense get the ball back to Ben more.
Comeon guys, we have played some of the weakest defensive teams in the leagus and cant break 20 pts. |
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[quote=T.O.Killa;623580]Just so every one knows. Pittsburg does not pick Olinemen in the early rounds. They never pick an offensive lineman, before the third round.[/quote]Excellent point. But can we be trusted to pick O-linemen later than round 2? Our track record is abysmal on that count, with Rinehart looking like the latest bust. Looking deeper, I compared the Skins Draft record to the Steelers:
[url=http://www.pro-football-reference.com/draft/was.htm]Washington Redskins All-Time Draft Listing | Pro-Football-Reference.com[/url] [url=http://www.pro-football-reference.com/draft/pit.htm]Pittsburgh Steelers All-Time Draft Listing | Pro-Football-Reference.com[/url] What jumps out at me is how many more picks Pittsburgh has made looking over the last 10-12 years[B]. During that stretch, there have been 4 drafts where the Skins have had [U]5 picks or fewer[/U][/B]. Pittsburgh has 7 to 9 picks almost every year of that stretch with the exception of 2003 (when they hit big on Polamalu). They've had many misses during that stretch, but they've had enough hits from their numerous picks that they have the quality depth that we are sorely lacking. |
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[quote=SouperMeister;623764]Excellent point. But can we be trusted to pick O-linemen later than round 2? Our track record is abysmal on that count, with Rinehart looking like the latest bust. Looking deeper, I compared the Skins Draft record to the Steelers:
[url=http://www.pro-football-reference.com/draft/was.htm]Washington Redskins All-Time Draft Listing | Pro-Football-Reference.com[/url] [url=http://www.pro-football-reference.com/draft/pit.htm]Pittsburgh Steelers All-Time Draft Listing | Pro-Football-Reference.com[/url] What jumps out at me is how many more picks Pittsburgh has made looking over the last 10-12 years[B]. During that stretch, there have been 4 drafts where the Skins have had [U]5 picks or fewer[/U][/B]. Pittsburgh has 7 to 9 picks almost every year of that stretch with the exception of 2003 (when they hit big on Polamalu). They've had many misses during that stretch, but they've had enough hits from their numerous picks that they have the quality depth that we are sorely lacking.[/quote] Excellent point. I would add to this discussion that by all accounts the Giants have a fine offensive line. But they don't start a bunch of first rounders. Their starters are low picks and undrafted FA's. The difference is that they coach these folks to play better. So I think that the woes on the Skins o-line derive from poor strategies for talent acquisition combined with poor coaching. |
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I believe that it's not necessarily who they pick in the draft, but the fact that they develop their players and have consistancy in the coaching staff to build talent.
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[quote=T.O.Killa;623580]Just so every one knows. Pittsburg does not pick Olinemen in the early rounds. They never pick an offensive lineman, before the third round.[/quote]
but they do pick them, right? |
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I wish we could have a GM like the steelers GM, but the thing is seeing how smart he is, he would be smart by not taking the job here
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Actually, I think any smart GM would love to work for Snyder.. ONLY IF Snyder learns his lessons and agree to surrender all authorities to GM or president office.. Snyder is willing to do ANYTHING to get Redskins, this includes shelling out millions of dollars.. Any GM would love that..
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Monday Night Football ran a stat the other night which said that Ben Roethlisberger has been the most sacked quarterback in the NFL over the past few years. Plus, they haven't been running the ball as effectively either. I guess with a world-class defense and a QB that can make plays, you can compensate for a less than great front line. The Steelers have some good receivers too.
Haven't they lost some starting O-linemen to free agency recently? |
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[quote=GridIron26;623808]Actually, I think any smart GM would love to work for Snyder.. ONLY IF Snyder learns his lessons and agree to surrender all authorities to GM or president office.. Snyder is willing to do ANYTHING to get Redskins, this includes shelling out millions of dollars.. Any GM would love that..[/quote]
Snyder gave all the power to Vinny over the last 2 years. That is why hopefully he will be on the way out at the end of the season. Once this happens most gm's will be salivating to be here. |
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[quote=Beemnseven;623848]Monday Night Football ran a stat the other night which said that Ben Roethlisberger has been the most sacked quarterback in the NFL over the past few years. Plus, they haven't been running the ball as effectively either. I guess with a world-class defense and a QB that can make plays, you can compensate for a less than great front line. The Steelers have some good receivers too.
Haven't they lost some starting O-linemen to free agency recently?[/quote]They let Alan Faneca walk in the last few years. I admire the Steelers for not overpaying aging vets. In contrast, the "Snyder philosophy" is to delay a player's escalating cap figure by renegotiating the contract , even when that player might have only one serviceable season left. This is why the Redskins are among the worst offenders of carrying a large "dead" cap total for players no longer on the team. As an example, [I]B. Lloyd is still counting $5M against this year's cap[/I]. Jon Jansen is even more. We are carrying about $18M in dead cap this season. I want to see a more patient philosophy to build a consistent winner through the draft (cheap talent). I also want to see some players sent packing rather than renegotiating and delaying their cap hit to when they are no longer even useful. |
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[quote=SouperMeister;623864]They let Alan Faneca walk in the last few years. I admire the Steelers for not overpaying aging vets.
In contrast, the "Snyder philosophy" is to delay a player's escalating cap figure by renegotiating the contract , even when that player might have only one serviceable season left. This is why the Redskins are among the worst offenders of carrying a large "dead" cap total for players no longer on the team. As an example, [I]B. Lloyd is still counting $5M against this year's cap[/I]. Jon Jansen is even more. We are carrying about $18M in dead cap this season. I want to see a more patient philosophy to build a consistent winner through the draft (cheap talent). I also want to see some players sent packing rather than renegotiating and delaying their cap hit to when they are no longer even useful.[/quote] I think letting a good vet go and doing well has some luck attached to it. For instance, Seattle let Steven Hutchinson go, and well their line was never the same afterwards. |
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[quote=Lotus;623587]They do something with their linemen that we do not: COACH THEM.[/quote]
Good call. And their entire team for that matter. They could take most of our players and turn them into serious ballers. They absorb players into their system and get max production. Kind of how the Skins did in the 80s. When players left the Skins, they were never the same. |
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