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warriorzpath 12-18-2009 05:33 PM

Re: The rooney rule is it fair< did the redskins follow the rules
 
[quote=firstdown;642112]edit edit[/quote]
what does that mean?

vallin21 12-18-2009 05:40 PM

Re: The rooney rule is it fair< did the redskins follow the rules
 
[quote=firstdown;642113][B]Why not force black coaches to interview more white players because all they really want is a chance?[/B][/quote]

:lol: Seriously, who doesn't think Synder complied with the Rooney Rule for the GM job? It's important to give minorities a chance and it's not hurting anyone so keep it.

Kalisto2010 12-18-2009 05:44 PM

Re: The rooney rule is it fair< did the redskins follow the rules
 
Wait a minute. So all of you who're against the Rooney rule actually believe since the NFL's inception that Art Shell, Dennis Green, Herm Edwards, Jim Caldwell, Marvin Lewis, Mike Tomlin, Ray Rhodes, and Tony Dungy were the only Black coaches qualified to coach in the NFL? Of course the best man should get the job. However, the NFL has always been reluctant to allow Blacks to assume leadership roles. Denying that fact is being intellectually dishonest. We're talking about a league that tried to make Warren Moon a wide receiver when he arrived in the NFL, despite him winning 5 straight Grey Cups - this occurred not even 25 years ago. The Rooney rule doesn't stipulate that White coaches won't get interviewed, it stipulates that at least one Black guy will be interviewed. So out of the 3 or 4 candidates that get interviewed for a specific job, the owners are required to ensure that at least one of them are Black. Big friggin deal.

Kalisto2010 12-18-2009 06:19 PM

Re: The rooney rule is it fair< did the redskins follow the rules
 
[quote=firstdown;642126]You could also list all the white coaches and ask the same question and get the same answer.[/quote]

I don't understand what you mean here?


[quote]The second thing I made bold. It would be fair to say that the NFL in the past was reluctant to allow Blacks to assume a leadership role. That could be said for just about any major corporation years back but in todays world that is just not reality and more. Last time I looked the most powerful man in the world was black.[/quote]

I agree, institutional Racism no longer exists nor does it adversely affect our society. The SEC is a shinning example that proves that both Black and White coaches have an equal opportunity to coach any where they want. And the only reason there's only one Black coach in the six major bowl conferences - is because there's only been one Black guy qualified for the job. I'm positive institutional racism played no part.

Dirtbag59 12-18-2009 06:30 PM

Re: The Rooney rule is it fair< did the redskins follow the rules
 
[quote=dmek25;641985]as much as i hate to admit this, i agree. im friends with a ton of minorities, and they all hate affirmative action, which is what this is loosely based on. lets go with qualifications, not skin pigmentation[/quote]

Affirmative action was definitely necessary at one point in time, when the good old boy network really was the way people went about hiring. However we have moved on since then and I think people really don't care about skin color anymore. The NFL is about winning, and whoever gives you the best chance gets the job. So yeah definitely agree.

Longtimefan 12-18-2009 07:24 PM

Re: The rooney rule is it fair< did the redskins follow the rules
 
[quote=Mattyk72;641923]I don't think it's necessary to ask whether the Skins followed the rules because that has been a non-issue from the start. The commish is satisfied they did, so let's move on.[/quote]

I agree Matty...I mentioned the same thing in another thread that wasn't appropiate for it, but mentioned it nontheless. If the Commish is satisfied that's all that matters.

Zerohero 12-18-2009 09:13 PM

Re: The rooney rule is it fair< did the redskins follow the rules
 
[quote=SolidSnake84;641974]I'm with the people who say that it is unfair to waste the minority's time with the interview, when it is obvious that the team already has someone that they want to hire.

I would not want to be the minority person whose time is wasted just for the sake of a team pacifying the rule...[/quote]

maybe the minority hits a homerun in the interview. it can happen, zorn went from OC to HC with some good interviews.

Not directed to Solidsnake, but the second you imply one race is generally racist you lose all credibility in these discussions.

mlmdub130 12-18-2009 09:19 PM

Re: The rooney rule is it fair< did the redskins follow the rules
 
[quote=Zerohero;642171]maybe the minority hits a homerun in the interview. it can happen, [B]zorn went from OC to HC with some good interviews[/B].

Not directed to Solidsnake, but the second you imply one race is generally racist you lose all credibility in these discussions.[/quote]

???? he got the job cause nobody else wanted it

Zerohero 12-18-2009 09:48 PM

Re: The rooney rule is it fair< did the redskins follow the rules
 
[quote=mlmdub130;642173]???? he got the job cause nobody else wanted it[/quote]

i bet some minoritys wanted it

WaldSkins 12-18-2009 11:25 PM

Re: The Rooney rule is it fair< did the redskins follow the rules
 
[quote=Dirtbag359;642137]Affirmative action was definitely necessary at one point in time, when the good old boy network really was the way people went about hiring. However we have moved on since then and I think people really don't care about skin color anymore. The NFL is about winning, and whoever gives you the best chance gets the job. So yeah definitely agree.[/quote]

Agreed. If the redskins can sign Shannahan, why should they have to interview someone else?

GMScud 12-18-2009 11:43 PM

Re: The rooney rule is it fair< did the redskins follow the rules
 
I think the Rooney Rule is so stupid. Hire the best man for the job. Head coaches both black and white have proven they can coach at a high level and win Super Bowls. If a team has their sights set on a coach who happens to be white, why go through the motions of interviewing a minority candidate just for the sake of it? It's wasting the time of both parties.

Hire the best man for the job. Who gives a crap what his skins color is. There are several very solid black head coaches in the league and dozens more assistants.


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