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Drift Reality 12-27-2009 07:01 PM

Franchise Quarterbacks
 
Going into the Cowboys game I figured I'd offer a little food for thought on how so-called "franchise" quarterbacks are acquired.

Here is a list of the top-10 NFL quarterbacks by rating currently:

Drew Brees - Round 2 (32)
Philip Rivers - Round 1 (4)
Brett Favre - Round 2 (33)
Aaron Rodgers - Round 1 (24)
Peyton Manning - Round 1 (1)
Ben Roethlisberger - Round 1 (11)
Matt Schaub - Round 3 (90)
Tony Romo - Undrafted
Eli Manning - Round 1 (1)
Tom Brady - Round 6 (199)

The consistency is that each quarterback on this list was either A) drafted by a franchise who had a strong track record of team building and B) was in most cases given time to learn the trade before playing.

My point here is that franchise quarterbacks aren't drafted; they are cultivated. To get from point-A to point-B, a team needs to bring a talented quarterback into a situation where they are given the opportunity to learn a system and surrounded with blue chip talent. Under these conditions, talented quarterbacks can become "franchise quarterbacks."

It is a myth to believe that a team that doesn't have a solid foundation of talent will be able to draft a talented quarterback and expect them to succeed.

In other words, bringing in a Sam Bradford without giving him time to develop and surrounding him with talent would simply be a waste of a draft pick.

There is really no reason why Campbell shouldn't be brought back for the next two years. Other than Campbell there is not one scenario I can imagine where the Redskins are going to have success at the position.

doughtydoubter 12-27-2009 07:05 PM

Re: Franchise Quarterbacks
 
trade him and cooley for schaub....

dmek25 12-27-2009 07:11 PM

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are you related DD? i see you had brought up his name in a different thread

Dirtbag59 12-27-2009 08:10 PM

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[quote=dmek25;646168]are you related DD? i see you had brought up his name in a different thread[/quote]

No, thats FredDavisBro (aka our very own Tanner Cooley).

skins89moss 12-27-2009 08:17 PM

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[quote=doughtydoubter;646165]trade him and cooley for schaub....[/quote]

You have to have a willing partner to make a trade. Besides the Texans have Owens Daniels who many believe is a top 5 TE.

Defensewins 12-27-2009 08:34 PM

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[quote=Drift Reality;646163]......My point here is that franchise [B]quarterbacks aren't drafted; they are cultivated. To get from point-A to point-B, a team needs to bring a talented quarterback into a situation where they are given the opportunity to learn a system and surrounded with blue chip talent. Under these conditions, talented quarterbacks can become "franchise quarterbacks."
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Yes that is true. But just as important as "a team needs to bring a talented quarterback into a situation where they are given the opportunity to learn a system and surrounded with blue chip talent." Just a important or more so, is having a strong coaching staff and a system that works well with the type of talent your QB and the rest of your roster has.
For example when Joe Gibbs was hired in 1982 he came from the Air Coryell system where throwing the ball was done a lot. Well after going 0-5 and they soon discovered what they had was a very good Running OL and back, so they changed their game plan to suit their talent. Not the other way around.
Something Blache needs to learn.
Coaches have to learn to swallow their egos sometimes.

tryfuhl 12-27-2009 09:27 PM

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Considering 4 of those are top 11 picks.. 5 are first round.. and a couple of others are BARELY into the 2nd round, I'm not sure you can't say a franchise QB can't be drafted

SmootSmack 12-27-2009 10:03 PM

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I like Bradford...that's my profound contribution for this thread

redsk1 12-27-2009 10:07 PM

Re: Franchise Quarterbacks
 
Yes, you need patience when developing a Qb and yes, you need talent around them. It's hard to turn down a qb though when you need one. The question is, are the qb's that are available worth it? I have no idea.

tryfuhl 12-27-2009 11:25 PM

Re: Franchise Quarterbacks
 
[quote=wilsowilso;646497]We traded up two slots short in 2005. If we had moved one spot ahead of GB and taken Aaron Rodgers we would be set. Dude is a franchise QB no question.

Oh wait he might be dead right now behind the "Vinny Special" oline in DC.

JC is a tough SOB I will give him that.[/quote]

Rodgers has taken double digit more sacks this year.

tryfuhl 12-27-2009 11:53 PM

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[quote=wilsowilso;646724]I forgot. GB's line is terrible. They do have great wr weapons?[/quote]
Driver and Jones have a good chance of both being 1000 yard receivers this year. Finley is over 500yds, Jones over 400. They've got a pretty solid WR corps.

Nomad 12-28-2009 01:32 AM

Re: Franchise Quarterbacks
 
[quote=Drift Reality;646163]Going into the Cowboys game I figured I'd offer a little food for thought on how so-called "franchise" quarterbacks are acquired.

Here is a list of the top-10 NFL quarterbacks by rating currently:

Drew Brees - Round 2 (32)
Philip Rivers - Round 1 (4)
Brett Favre - Round 2 (33)
Aaron Rodgers - Round 1 (24)
Peyton Manning - Round 1 (1)
Ben Roethlisberger - Round 1 (11)
Matt Schaub - Round 3 (90)
Tony Romo - Undrafted
Eli Manning - Round 1 (1)
Tom Brady - Round 6 (199)

The consistency is that each quarterback on this list was either A) drafted by a franchise who had a strong track record of team building and B) was in most cases given time to learn the trade before playing.

My point here is that franchise quarterbacks aren't drafted; they are cultivated. To get from point-A to point-B, a team needs to bring a talented quarterback into a situation where they are given the opportunity to learn a system and surrounded with blue chip talent. Under these conditions, talented quarterbacks can become "franchise quarterbacks."

It is a myth to believe that a team that doesn't have a solid foundation of talent will be able to draft a talented quarterback and expect them to succeed.

In other words, bringing in a Sam Bradford without giving him time to develop and surrounding him with talent would simply be a waste of a draft pick.

There is really no reason why Campbell shouldn't be brought back for the next two years. Other than Campbell there is not one scenario I can imagine where the Redskins are going to have success at the position.[/quote]

well he is on the list sorry, the benedryl im taking...... Big Ben, but I must say JC should be brought back

dmek25 12-28-2009 06:45 AM

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after last night you must be crazy. if i was running the show, over half of this team wouldn't be here next year


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