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PennSkinsFan 01-28-2010 12:33 PM

Bradford/Clausen now split among Mock Drafts
 
[URL="http://www.dcprosportsreport.com/articles/washington-redskins/76-mocks-munched-bradford-clausen-tied-to-redskins.html"][B]http://www.dcprosportsreport.com/articles/washington-redskins/76-mocks-munched-bradford-clausen-tied-to-redskins.html[/B][/URL]

[QUOTE]Since the [URL="http://www.dcprosportsreport.com/MockDraft.htm"][B]NFL Mock Draft Database[/B][/URL] has been doing it's weekly Mock Munch of the week's most updated Mocks, QB [URL="http://www.dcprosportsreport.com/tag/sam-bradford.html"]Sam Bradford[/URL] has always been the leader at #4. Not anymore. Add in [URL="http://www.dcprosportsreport.com/tag/jimmy-clausen.html"]Jimmy Clausen[/URL]. Our Mock Database now consists of 208 mocks draft, 166 of which have been updated in January. Of those, 21 have been updated over the past two days. For the Mock Munch, we munched together the mock drafts updated between 1/21 and 1/28, a total of 76 mocks. This is interesting. Of the 76 most updated mocks, 58 project the Redskins to take a Quarterback while only 18 project Offensive tackle.
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over the mountain 01-28-2010 12:40 PM

Re: Bradford/Clausen now split among Mock Drafts
 
id rather have clausen imo. everything ive seen from bradford is from the shotgun, ok ran a spread offense, when he was under center it was to run or play action pass.

im just worried about bradford's game transitioning to the nfl since he very rarely throws from being under the center and his shoulder injury.

my personal choice of clausen over bradford is pretty much based off walter footballs analysis, which was so glowing it had me questioning it b/c there is no way clausen can be everything they said he was.

either way, im just so happy to have competent people like allen and shanny doing the evaluation.

diehardskin2982 01-28-2010 12:45 PM

Re: Bradford/Clausen now split among Mock Drafts
 
this has already been posted as a thread hasn't it?

PennSkinsFan 01-28-2010 12:56 PM

Re: Bradford/Clausen now split among Mock Drafts
 
I would love us to look at Russell Okung, Anthony Davis, or Trent Williams. Neither of these QBs to me are worthy of the 4th pick.

53Fan 01-28-2010 01:34 PM

Re: Bradford/Clausen now split among Mock Drafts
 
[quote=PennSkinsFan;658842]I would love us to look at Russell Okung, Anthony Davis, or Trent Williams. Neither of these QBs to me are worthy of the 4th pick.[/quote]

I'm with you. If Okung is there at #4 I think they'd have to have a very good reason to pass him up. I don't think either of these guys are a good enough reason. If we take a QB, I would have to think Shanny is completely sold on him.

Longtimefan 01-28-2010 02:00 PM

Re: Bradford/Clausen now split among Mock Drafts
 
[quote=diehardskin2982;658840]this has already been posted as a thread hasn't it?[/quote]

There has been three different threads since January 1st dealing with Mock Drafts and how they relate to the Redskins and Sam Bradford. I thought there was a draft forum.

Dirtbag59 01-28-2010 02:22 PM

Re: Bradford/Clausen now split among Mock Drafts
 
Clausen might not have the intangibles that Bradford has but from what I've seen there are two key differences in Clausens favor. One he has played through injury (Bradford tried but it came back to haunt him) and two he's played under center in a pro style offense. Also from the TD passes I saw from Clausen they were placed very well. In other words either the reciever was going to catch it or no one was getting it.

Heres a video. Another thing I liked about Clausens TD passes were they were thrown to multiple receivers, where when I first loaded the video I expected a bunch of TD passes to Golden Tate but that wasn't the case.
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Personally I feel like this is a very deep QB class and right now we have the chance to grab one of the top tier prospects to possibly be our franchise QB for the next 10 years. I mean even the second tier guys like Tebow and McCoy are probably going to be solid for someone.

I personally think Tebow is going to prove a lot of people wrong about his ability to QB in the NFL but he'll probably fit best in a place like Jacksonville with their strong running game and his ability to throw the deep ball.

Then you have the third tier guys like Pike and LeFevour one of which will probably emerge as a starter down the line.

I'd also like to add that in terms of personallity Bradford reminds me a lot of Matt Schuab in that he's relatively quiet and laid back which in that case you could bring up Campbell. Clausen on the other hand reminds me of Phillip Rivers in terms of personality. For example if we ever played the Bears I could easily see Clausen yelling at Cutler from the sidelines talking trash
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GTripp0012 01-28-2010 02:35 PM

Re: Bradford/Clausen now split among Mock Drafts
 
I'm higher on Clausen than Todd McShay is, certainly I feel he's a first-round type at least, and I'd rank him above Sam Bradford in a generic rankings list of the draft prospects, but (and I'll probably repeat this no less than fifteen times between now and draft day) my most generous projections for him see him as a Campbell clone.

If he can't get the ball out any better than Campbell, he doesn't complete any more of his passes than Campbell, and his YPA is ultimately just as dependent on his teammates as Campbell's is, it simply wouldn't be a significant upgrade.

Sam Bradford is a different breed of quarterback, something we haven't tried already. But the fact that I have Clausen ranked behind our incumbent (based on total career peak value), but ahead of Bradford suggests that Bradford would also be tough to justify at No. 4.

With that said, it's not hard to see Sam Bradford as wildly successful in the NFL. It's just really hard to see him (or Clausen) as a savior. I just don't think Peyton Manning or Philip Rivers is walking through that door anytime soon.

Dirtbag59 01-28-2010 02:38 PM

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[quote=GTripp0012;658871]
Sam Bradford is a different breed of quarterback, something we haven't tried already. But the fact that I have Clausen ranked behind our incumbent [B](based on total career peak value)[/B], but ahead of Bradford suggests that Bradford would also be tough to justify at No. 4.

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Where can you find these numbers? I thought KC Joyner from ESPN did something like that. If I remember right it was a combination of career starts and completion percentage that served as the best indicators of success in the NFL.

Son Of Man 01-28-2010 02:38 PM

Re: Bradford/Clausen now split among Mock Drafts
 
Two words...........Colt McCoy (2nd Round).

GTripp0012 01-28-2010 02:43 PM

Re: Bradford/Clausen now split among Mock Drafts
 
[quote=Dirtbag359;658873]Where can you find these numbers? I thought KC Joyner from ESPN did something like that. If I remember right it was a combination of career starts and completion percentage that served as the best indicators of success in the NFL.[/quote]My projections are different from Joyner's and slightly deviant from the Lewin Career Forecast (see link), but [URL="http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=3350135"]this[/URL] article is a nice one about the 2008 draft, with the FO peak projection value system, including the neccessary tepidations about Matt Ryan that I shared at the time.

diehardskin2982 01-28-2010 02:44 PM

Re: Bradford/Clausen now split among Mock Drafts
 
What type of QB is Bradford? who do you feel his game compares most to?

GTripp0012 01-28-2010 02:51 PM

Re: Bradford/Clausen now split among Mock Drafts
 
[quote=diehardskin2982;658879]What type of QB is Bradford? who do you feel his game compares most to?[/quote]Anecdotally, I think he some mix of Eli Manning or Steve McNair on the high end, or Jon Kitna/JP Losman on the low end. All of those guys were primarily pocket passers with quick releases and relative athleticism, but the guys who made it were good decision makers under pressure. The guys who ended up being backups or out of the league were poor decision makers under pressure.

I think we (I?) know a lot more about Clausen's mediocre ability to adjust to adverse conditions, compared to Bradford, who is an unknown from that one aspect.

Lotus 01-28-2010 03:18 PM

Re: Bradford/Clausen now split among Mock Drafts
 
[quote=PennSkinsFan;658842]I would love us to look at Russell Okung, [B]Anthony Davis[/B], or Trent Williams. Neither of these QBs to me are worthy of the 4th pick.[/quote]

Davis was repeatedly suspended in college for discipline issues. I'm not sure that he is our boy.


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