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JoeRedskin 04-16-2010 11:11 AM

Redskins Roster By Position
 
As we come into the draft, in addition to who's been signed and who's been cut, I thought it might also be good to take a look at the roster as it [I]actually[/I] exists. This way we can see 1) what positions have been stocked up; 2) what "real" depth exists (almost no where); and 3) where we seem to need bodies. I got this from the Redskins site and grouped it by position rather than alphabetically (the positions are as listed on the Redskins Site):

5 McNabb, Donovan QB 6-2 240 11 11-25-1976
17 Campbell, Jason QB 6-5 230 5 12-31-1981
8 Grossman, Rex QB 6-1 217 7 08-23-1980
15 Brennan, Colt QB 6-3 212 2 08-16-1983
10 Bartel, Richard QB 6-3 230 1 02-03-1983

61 Rabach, Casey C 6-4 295 8 09-24-1977
50 Williams, Edwin C 6-3 315 R 12-10-1986
63 Montgomery, Will C/G 6-3 305 3 02-13-1983
66 Dockery, Derrick G 6-6 326 6 09-07-1980
75 Hicks, Artis G 6-4 335 8 11-28-1978
69 Fanaika, Paul G 6-5 327 1 04-09-1986
78 Lichtensteiger, Kory G 6-3 295 2 03-22-1985
77 Rinehart, Chad G/T 6-5 310 2 05-04-1985
71 Williams, Mike G/T 6-6 337 5 01-11-1980
73 Robinson, William OT 6-6 297 2 12-20-1984
68 Oldenburg, Clint OT 6-5 310 1 09-09-1983
74 Heyer, Stephon OT 6-6 330 3 01-16-1984

26 Portis, Clinton RB 5-11 221 7 09-01-1981
27 Johnson, Larry RB 6-1 230 8 11-19-1979
39 Parker, Willie RB 5-10 209 6 11-11-1980
39 Alridge, Anthony RB 5-9 175 2 11-24-1983
32 Hill, P.J. RB 5-10 218 1 01-03-1987
36 Young, Darrel RB 5-11 245 1 04-08-1987
45 Sellers, Mike FB 6-3 273 9 07-21-1975

89 Moss, Santana WR 5-10 200 8 06-01-1979
11 Thomas, Devin WR 6-2 215 1 11-15-1986
12 Kelly, Malcolm WR 6-4 227 2 12-30-1986
84 Mitchell, Marko WR 6-4 218 1 03-11-1985
14 Robinson, James WR 6-3 200 1 12-06-1982
13 Armstrong, Anthony WR 5-11 183 1 03-29-1983

47 Cooley, Chris TE 6-3 250 5 07-11-1982
86 Davis, Fred TE 6-4 257 1 01-15-1986
85 Ryan, Sean TE 6-5 260 6 03-27-1980
88 Vickers, Lee TE 6-6 275 2 03-13-1981



96 Kemoeatu, Maake NT 6-5 345 8 01-10-1979
76 Bryant, Anthony NT 6-3 335 3 11-16-1981
92 Haynesworth, Albert DT 6-6 350 8 06-17-1981
64 Golston, Kedric DT 6-4 300 3 05-30-1983
94 Montgomery, Anthony DT 6-6 330 4 03-08-1984
93 Daniels, Phillip DE 6-5 305 13 03-04-1973
99 Carter, Andre DE 6-4 253 8 05-12-1979
90 Jarmon, Jeremy DE 6-3 277 1 11-20-1987
91 Jackson, Rob DE 6-4 269 2 11-03-1985
62 Holmes, Antoine DL 6-2 289 1 03-25-1986
79 Peterson, Greg DL 6-5 315 3 01-21-1984

95 Wilson, Chris LB/DE 6-4 247 2 07-10-1982
59 Fletcher, London LB 5-10 245 11 05-19-1975
98 Orakpo, Brian LB 6-4 260 1 07-31-1986
54 Blades, H.B. LB 5-10 242 2 09-30-1984
52 McIntosh, Rocky LB 6-2 238 3 11-15-1982
97 Alexander, Lorenzo LB 6-1 275 3 05-31-1983
51 Henson, Robert LB 6-0 242 R 01-27-1986
56 Gatewood, Curtis LB 6-3 240 2 05-18-1985
55 Bowen, Alvin LB 6-1 223 2 12-24-1983

23 Hall, DeAngelo CB 5-10 195 5 11-19-1983
22 Rogers, Carlos CB 6-0 190 4 07-02-1981
31 Buchanon, Phillip CB 5-11 186 8 09-19-1980
20 Tryon, Justin CB 5-9 183 1 05-29-1984
25 Barnes, Kevin CB 6-1 188 1 09-15-1986
24 Dutch, Doug CB 5-11 199 1 02-15-1986
38 McCauley, Marcus CB 6-0 203 3 09-03-1983
34 Westbrook, Byron CB 5-10 198 1 12-26-1984

37 Doughty, Reed S 6-1 205 3 11-04-1982
30 Landry, LaRon S 6-0 210 2 10-14-1984
29 Holmes, Lendy S 6-1 201 1 10-26-1985
48 Horton, Chris S 6-1 211 2 12-29-1984
41 Moore, Kareem S 5-11 218 2 08-13-1984

3 Bidwell, Josh P 6-3 220 11 03-13-1976
4 Gano, Graham K 6-1 200 1 04-09-1987
6 Medlock, Justin K 5-11 201 1 11-23-1983
57 Sundberg, Nick LS 6-0 245 1 07-29-1987

It's a little hard to read b/c I'm not sure how to tab within the topic box or how to set up a table. The numbers left to right are: HGT, WGHT, EXP and B-DAY.

CRedskinsRule 04-16-2010 11:14 AM

Re: Redskins Roster By Position
 
Good thread bro'. It's really not as shabby a roster as 4-12 made it seem.

SOUL-SKINS 04-16-2010 11:20 AM

Re: Redskins Roster By Position
 
[quote=JoeRedskin;689081]As we come into the draft, in addition to who's been signed and who's been cut, I thought it might also be good to take a look at the roster as it [I]actually[/I] exists. This way we can see 1) what positions have been stocked up; 2) what "real" depth exists (almost no where); and 3) where we seem to need bodies. I got this from the Redskins site and grouped it by position rather than alphabetically (the positions are as listed on the Redskins Site):

5 McNabb, Donovan QB 6-2 240 11 11-25-1976
17 Campbell, Jason QB 6-5 230 5 12-31-1981
8 Grossman, Rex QB 6-1 217 7 08-23-1980
15 Brennan, Colt QB 6-3 212 2 08-16-1983
10 Bartel, Richard QB 6-3 230 1 02-03-1983

[B]61 Rabach, Casey C 6-4 295 8 09-24-1977
50 Williams, Edwin C 6-3 315 R 12-10-1986
63 Montgomery, Will C/G 6-3 305 3 02-13-1983
66 Dockery, Derrick G 6-6 326 6 09-07-1980
75 Hicks, Artis G 6-4 335 8 11-28-1978
69 Fanaika, Paul G 6-5 327 1 04-09-1986
78 Lichtensteiger, Kory G 6-3 295 2 03-22-1985
77 Rinehart, Chad G/T 6-5 310 2 05-04-1985
71 Williams, Mike G/T 6-6 337 5 01-11-1980
73 Robinson, William OT 6-6 297 2 12-20-1984
68 Oldenburg, Clint OT 6-5 310 1 09-09-1983
74 Heyer, Stephon OT 6-6 330 3 01-16-1984[/B]
26 Portis, Clinton RB 5-11 221 7 09-01-1981
27 Johnson, Larry RB 6-1 230 8 11-19-1979
39 Parker, Willie RB 5-10 209 6 11-11-1980
39 Alridge, Anthony RB 5-9 175 2 11-24-1983
32 Hill, P.J. RB 5-10 218 1 01-03-1987
36 Young, Darrel RB 5-11 245 1 04-08-1987
45 Sellers, Mike FB 6-3 273 9 07-21-1975

89 Moss, Santana WR 5-10 200 8 06-01-1979
11 Thomas, Devin WR 6-2 215 1 11-15-1986
12 Kelly, Malcolm WR 6-4 227 2 12-30-1986
84 Mitchell, Marko WR 6-4 218 1 03-11-1985
14 Robinson, James WR 6-3 200 1 12-06-1982
13 Armstrong, Anthony WR 5-11 183 1 03-29-1983

47 Cooley, Chris TE 6-3 250 5 07-11-1982
86 Davis, Fred TE 6-4 257 1 01-15-1986
85 Ryan, Sean TE 6-5 260 6 03-27-1980
88 Vickers, Lee TE 6-6 275 2 03-13-1981


It's a little hard to read b/c I'm not sure how to tab within the topic box or how to set up a table. The numbers left to right are: HGT, WGHT, EXP and B-DAY.[/quote]

Ummm.......thats a pretty shitty Oline. Oh boy. We really need to draft Okung

JoeRedskin 04-16-2010 11:24 AM

Re: Redskins Roster By Position
 
Yeah. Looking at the list I was thinking "okay, we can go 7-8 deep along the line, 6 deep at LB, 3 deep at RB, 4 deep at WR, and the OL... uhhhh 2 deep??"

Really, looking at that list and you have 3 guys (maybe) who could be marginal starters/solid back ups on other teams and that's it.

CRedskinsRule 04-16-2010 11:31 AM

Re: Redskins Roster By Position
 
I kinda, slightly, slightly disagree. The middle of our line ought to be good. Both G spots are set, Dockery is a decent starter, and I think Mike Williams will be a staple there, and Hicks is a definite good backup. Center has a starter in Rabach, and I think a backup in E. Williams.

LT will be our draft pick-assume that will be a Probowler for the next thousand years, back up is shaky.

Then you get to the Right tackle :doh: and it all falls apart, but Jared Veldheer has never given up a sack except the one GTripp saw:)

JoeRedskin 04-16-2010 11:47 AM

Re: Redskins Roster By Position
 
Dockery, Rabach are average at best. Williams? I hope he can be a solid guy - just not sold on it. Rinehart? Hasn't shown much yet. Hicks is a solid 6th man, and possible starter. Williams [I]might[/I] be a solid back up.

If we draft an OT, we pray he's not the next Ryan Clady and not the next Robert Gallery. Counting on any rookie to come in and shore up a need position is risky at best. Yes, early first round OT's are generally pretty solid bets - but the draft is a crapshoot.

A couple of average starters - (guys who most teams are looking to replace so they can be used as back-ups), a couple of question marks, and lots of bodies. Really, if we cut our entire line, how many would be out of football for good - pretty much all but Dockery, Rabach, Hicks and possibly a couple of the young guys on potential (E. Williams, Rinehart). Of these guys, how many would start on an OLine for a winning team? [I]Maybe[/I] Dockery... maybe. All the rest would be back-ups at best - and maybe not even the primary back up but a back bencher.

Lotus 04-16-2010 11:50 AM

Re: Redskins Roster By Position
 
^ I agree Joe. I think it will take a couple of years to build an OL that we can be proud of.

CRedskinsRule 04-16-2010 11:57 AM

Re: Redskins Roster By Position
 
Mike Shannahan's 2nd Superbowl team didn't have one OL player higher than a 5th rounder. To say our guys can't be coached up, and made better by having a scheme that actually makes the opposing defense think, I don't think is quite right. I am not saying we don't need to get more talent, but I believe that we will see a lot better play from the guys that eventually make the squad. It is hard enough to play OL, but when you are changing positions on a regular basis like Zorn had our OL doing last year, it is an impossibility.

I hope one other major change from Zorn's approach to game day is roster stability from week to week.

BigHairedAristocrat 04-16-2010 12:03 PM

Re: Redskins Roster By Position
 
Joe, I agree about Dockery and Rabach. I dont know why so many people think either position is ok. Its a testament to the atrociousness of our line when those are our two best linemen. anywhere else, dock would be fighting for his starting job and Rabach would be a backup. When I look at our line, all i see are four or five very good backups a whole lot of garbage. there's not a bonafide starter among them. At this point, i'm not really interested in Okung. I'd rather trade down and acquire two or three actual starting caliber linemen (even if they were just average - they'd atleast constitute upgrades). once we're at that point, THEN we can afford to splurge on a top tier OT.

JoeRedskin 04-16-2010 12:05 PM

Re: Redskins Roster By Position
 
[quote=CRedskinsRule;689112]Mike Shannahan's 2nd Superbowl team didn't have one OL player higher than a 5th rounder. [B] To say our guys can't be coached up, and made better by having a scheme that actually makes the opposing defense think, I don't think is quite right.[/B] I am not saying we don't need to get more talent, but I believe that we will see a lot better play from the guys that eventually make the squad. It is hard enough to play OL, but when you are changing positions on a regular basis like Zorn had our OL doing last year, it is an impossibility.

I hope one other major change from Zorn's approach to game day is roster stability from week to week.[/quote]

Just b/c your drafted in the 5th round or lower doesn't mean you aren't talented. Schereth was 12th rounder (I think) and played in the league for over 10 years. It's not where these guys came from that's the problem, it's that they have demonstrated a lack of talent. Will average talent be improved by a good scheme and good coaching? Yes. Do the guys we have rise to the level of even [I]average[/I] talent? Maybe 3-5 guys do. So yes, it will be improved. Is it still gonna be a crappy line with no depth.

You're just wrong as always and if you don't shut up -- I'll punch you.

CRedskinsRule 04-16-2010 12:10 PM

Re: Redskins Roster By Position
 
[quote=JoeRedskin;689115]Just b/c your drafted in the 5th round or lower doesn't mean you aren't talented. Schereth was 12th rounder (I think) and played in the league for over 10 years. It's not where these guys came from that's the problem, it's that they have demonstrated a lack of talent. Will average talent be improved by a good scheme and good coaching? Yes. Do the guys we have rise to the level of even [I]average[/I] talent? Maybe 3-5 guys do. So yes, it will be improved. Is it still gonna be a crappy line with no depth.

You're just wrong as always and if you don't shut up -- I'll punch you.[/quote]

Frankly, You are an idiot, and saying that these guys have demonstrated a lack of talent, when they were shuffled to a different position every week is just arrogant. And then you go and say that [quote]If we draft an OT, we pray he's [B]not[/B] the next Ryan Clady [/quote] when Ryan Clady is pretty dang good, just proves that any football related knowledge you may contain is scraps at best to mine. Please leave before you embarrass your family.

JoeRedskin 04-16-2010 12:14 PM

Re: Redskins Roster By Position
 
Well, now I have to punch you.

CRedskinsRule 04-16-2010 12:15 PM

Re: Redskins Roster By Position
 
typical - i guess i'll have to bring the Thunder

Chico23231 04-16-2010 12:22 PM

Re: Redskins Roster By Position
 
All I know is our f*ing Tackles at this point suck a$$. And our interior OLine is average at the very very best. I know this by watching Skins the play the last couple years. I dont see any new names that say we are going to be better at this point.

The new blocking scheme this year may help a couple...but who? Who do we see on the current team where we say "breakout year in the new scheme"...i really dont know

Monkeydad 04-16-2010 12:59 PM

Re: Redskins Roster By Position
 
[quote=SOUL-SKINS;689088]Ummm.......thats a pretty shitty Oline. Oh boy. We really need to draft Okung[/quote]

Yeah...so many lineman, but not enough!

If we can add 2 quality Tackles before the season (a Center would be great too), we should be fine.


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