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Mattyk 04-28-2010 10:53 AM

ESPN analyst Mel Kiper Jr. looks at Redskins' late-round draft picks
 
[url=http://voices.washingtonpost.com/redskinsinsider/mel-kiper-jr-looks-at-redskins.html]Redskins Insider - ESPN analyst Mel Kiper Jr. looks at Redskins' late-round draft picks[/url]

Jason Campbell stole the headlines a bit last weekend, and we didn't get a chance to discuss the team's late-round draft picks as much as we would've liked. I've seen some post-draft report cards that knocked the Redskins for failing to get more than one starter out of this year's draft.

Hog1 04-28-2010 11:04 AM

Re: ESPN analyst Mel Kiper Jr. looks at Redskins' late-round draft picks
 
Solid read....
If we EVER have a full card of picks we'll get more favorable reviews in the post draft. Considering the talent we recieved with our trades.....I'm happy with the upgrades

tootergray34 04-28-2010 11:23 AM

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nice love this man...thank you..

tootergray34 04-28-2010 11:26 AM

Re: ESPN analyst Mel Kiper Jr. looks at Redskins' late-round draft picks
 
pretty much sums up how I feel about darryl clark being here at QB...no way he beats out colt brennan

BigHairedAristocrat 04-28-2010 11:40 AM

Re: ESPN analyst Mel Kiper Jr. looks at Redskins' late-round draft picks
 
i saw this earlier this week. its a decent review but i think there's a fundamental flaw in kipers logic - he gives teams with a full slate of draft picks high scores for selecting players he thinks [B][U]may[/U][/B] be stars or even just solid contributors at the next level. Yet, he penalizes us for trading picks for players who are garaunteed to do more for the redskins in 2010 than any rookie selected in the draft at the same pick. It makes ZERO sense to me.

We traded a 2nd rounder for a QB who will be better in 2010 and 2011 (at minimum) than any rookie QB. We traded a third rounder to select a LB/DE in last years supplemental draft - who looked great last year before he was hurt. This should count toward this years draft score since it didnt count in last years. Then, we swapped late round picks for a starting defensive end who will likely contribute more to the redskins over his career than any player selected between the swapped picks in the 5th round.

All of those things should positively affect our score instead of hurting it. If we had traded the picks for 3 old players who had nothing left in the tank, or guys whose ability to play in the NFL was seriously questionable, i could see downgrading our score. Kiper graded Jimmy Clausen as the #1 overall prospect in the draft. Close to 30 teams had picks before Clausen was selected and they passed on him. That tells me everything I need to know about what Kiper really knows about evaluating talent. He's a great TV personality, but his rating means nothing to me.

Rainy Parade 04-28-2010 12:02 PM

Re: ESPN analyst Mel Kiper Jr. looks at Redskins' late-round draft picks
 
agree with BigHair.
Kiper also seems to take points away from washington cuz they took Williams, since MEL had Okung ranked higher. even if everyone agreed with Mel that Okung was the top OL (and most did) it was still the SMARTER pick to take the guy that fits your scheme.
and yes, the "2010 draft" should include McNabb and Jarmon too.
eat it Mel

NYCskinfan82 04-28-2010 02:20 PM

Re: ESPN analyst Mel Kiper Jr. looks at Redskins' late-round draft picks
 
Mel is to high on himself, Todd McShay said it best after the draft was over he said he took into account all of the Redskins pickups McNabb, Jarmon & Carriker i beleive he gave us a favorable grade. Nobody ever really checks Mel he's allowed to say whatever. IMO

Dirtbag59 04-28-2010 02:33 PM

Re: ESPN analyst Mel Kiper Jr. looks at Redskins' late-round draft picks
 
[quote=BigHairedAristocrat;696004] Kiper graded Jimmy Clausen as the #1 overall prospect in the draft. Close to 30 teams had picks before Clausen was selected and they passed on him. That tells me everything I need to know about what Kiper really knows about evaluating talent. He's a great TV personality, but his rating means nothing to me.[/quote]

Actually Clausen was the only the #1 QB. Clausen was 4th overall on the big board.

BigHairedAristocrat 04-28-2010 02:56 PM

Re: ESPN analyst Mel Kiper Jr. looks at Redskins' late-round draft picks
 
[quote=Dirtbag359;696092]Actually Clausen was the only the #1 QB. Clausen was 4th overall on the big board.[/quote]

I could have sworn he was #1 overall at one point, but i checked and his last big board had him 4th overall like you said. Still, he had Clausen highly overrated and I take everything he says with a grain of salt, whether its criticism or praise.

SmootSmack 04-28-2010 02:57 PM

Re: ESPN analyst Mel Kiper Jr. looks at Redskins' late-round draft picks
 
[quote=BigHairedAristocrat;696004]i saw this earlier this week. its a decent review but i think there's a fundamental flaw in kipers logic - he gives teams with a full slate of draft picks high scores for selecting players he thinks [B][U]may[/U][/B] be stars or even just solid contributors at the next level. Yet, he penalizes us for trading picks for players who are garaunteed to do more for the redskins in 2010 than any rookie selected in the draft at the same pick. It makes ZERO sense to me.

We traded a 2nd rounder for a QB who will be better in 2010 and 2011 (at minimum) than any rookie QB. We traded a third rounder to select a LB/DE in last years supplemental draft - who looked great last year before he was hurt. This should count toward this years draft score since it didnt count in last years. Then, we swapped late round picks for a starting defensive end who will likely contribute more to the redskins over his career than any player selected between the swapped picks in the 5th round.

All of those things should positively affect our score instead of hurting it. If we had traded the picks for 3 old players who had nothing left in the tank, or guys whose ability to play in the NFL was seriously questionable, i could see downgrading our score. [B]Kiper graded Jimmy Clausen as the #1 overall prospect in the draft. Close to 30 teams had picks before Clausen was selected and they passed on him. That tells me everything I need to know about what Kiper really knows about evaluating talent. He's a great TV personality, but his rating means nothing to me.[/B][/quote]

Really? You're basing everything on his assessment of that one player? That would be like me basing all your posts on the one where you suggested we go after Jake Plummer

NYCskinfan82 04-28-2010 03:03 PM

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^^ love the avatar.

tryfuhl 04-28-2010 03:07 PM

Re: ESPN analyst Mel Kiper Jr. looks at Redskins' late-round draft picks
 
[quote=SmootSmack;696101]Really? You're basing everything on his assessment of that one player? That would be like me basing all your posts on the one where you suggested we go after Jake Plummer[/quote]
lol

not to mention none of them have played even a preseason snap yet.. so who are we to judge them based on their rankings yet? because of draft position? lol

celts32 04-28-2010 03:19 PM

Re: ESPN analyst Mel Kiper Jr. looks at Redskins' late-round draft picks
 
[quote=BigHairedAristocrat;696004]i saw this earlier this week. its a decent review but i think there's a fundamental flaw in kipers logic - he gives teams with a full slate of draft picks high scores for selecting players he thinks [B][U]may[/U][/B] be stars or even just solid contributors at the next level. Yet, he penalizes us for trading picks for players who are garaunteed to do more for the redskins in 2010 than any rookie selected in the draft at the same pick. It makes ZERO sense to me.

We traded a 2nd rounder for a QB who will be better in 2010 and 2011 (at minimum) than any rookie QB. We traded a third rounder to select a LB/DE in last years supplemental draft - who looked great last year before he was hurt. This should count toward this years draft score since it didnt count in last years. Then, we swapped late round picks for a starting defensive end who will likely contribute more to the redskins over his career than any player selected between the swapped picks in the 5th round.

All of those things should positively affect our score instead of hurting it. If we had traded the picks for 3 old players who had nothing left in the tank, or guys whose ability to play in the NFL was seriously questionable, i could see downgrading our score. Kiper graded Jimmy Clausen as the #1 overall prospect in the draft. Close to 30 teams had picks before Clausen was selected and they passed on him. That tells me everything I need to know about what Kiper really knows about evaluating talent. He's a great TV personality, but his rating means nothing to me.[/quote]

I agree with the part about the selective way that teams drafts are graded. However, just because Clausen fell down the draft board does not mean that Mel was wrong in his assessment of him. Only time will tell that. If Clausen proves to be as good as Mel thinks he will be then he was right, if not he's wrong. Where he was drafted is not a factor.

GMScud 04-28-2010 03:19 PM

Re: ESPN analyst Mel Kiper Jr. looks at Redskins' late-round draft picks
 
Well nothing he said there made me feel good. He didn't even mention Perry Riley, the pressure will be on Trent Williams to play LT right away, Morris had a few decent plays in college, Darryl Clark is a 3rd stringer at best... Okay. Maybe Eric Cook will make the team. Sweeet.

SmootSmack 04-28-2010 03:21 PM

Re: ESPN analyst Mel Kiper Jr. looks at Redskins' late-round draft picks
 
[quote=GMScud;696121]Well nothing he said there made me feel good. He didn't even mention Perry Riley, the pressure will be on Trent Williams to play LT right away, Morris had a few decent plays in college, Darryl Clark is a 3rd stringer at best... Okay. Maybe Eric Cook will make the team. Sweeet.[/quote]

Mel knows nothing anyway so don't worry about it


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