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CRedskinsRule 05-02-2010 06:33 PM

Proposal for National ID (Acronym: BELIEVE)
 
Having the debate about a national ID is one thing, but to call the program BELIEVE is highly cynical at best, and Orwellian at worst.
[url=http://www.upi.com/Top_News/US/2010/04/30/ACLU-blasts-national-ID-card-proposal/UPI-96821272634097/]ACLU blasts national ID card proposal - UPI.com[/url]

[QUOTE]Senate Democratic leaders Thursday revealed an outline to reform U.S. immigration laws, including a proposal requiring workers to carry a national card with biometric data, such as fingerprints, within six years.

The American Civil Liberties Union ripped the ID card program, called "Believe," an acronym for Biometric Enrollment, Locally-stored Information and Electronic Verification of Employment, The Hill reported Friday.[/QUOTE]

We already have the "RealID" Legislation, does anyone really Believe in this path?

CRedskinsRule 05-02-2010 06:36 PM

Re: Proposal for National ID (Acronym: BELIEVE)
 
Also, the cynic/conspiracy theorist in me finds it interesting that we have had the Believe campaign in inner cities for a while, then Pres Obama ran on Believe, and now, Believe represents a national ID system that is seemingly very intrusive.

saden1 05-02-2010 07:34 PM

Re: Proposal for National ID (Acronym: BELIEVE)
 
As of right now every legal immigrant has to submit biometric data. A green card has complete biometric data so I am not sure if this is any different. Honstly, this isn't as bad as it is made out to be.

As of national ID for citizens, well, I have a passport so I guess I'm fine with that being my national ID. If they want to have another national ID I'm fine with that too but it should be optional and all states must accept it as a form of ID.

JoeRedskin 05-02-2010 08:38 PM

Re: Proposal for National ID (Acronym: BELIEVE)
 
[quote=CRedskinsRule;697420]Also, the cynic/conspiracy theorist in me finds it interesting that we have had the Believe campaign in inner cities for a while, then Pres Obama ran on Believe, and now, Believe represents a national ID system that is seemingly very intrusive.[/quote]

If you arrange the letters on the dollar bill, translate them to their greek form, then transpose them into latin backwards and fold the bill in half twice,
it spells BELIEVE in Summerian cuneiform.

The illuminati strike again.

CRedskinsRule 05-02-2010 09:01 PM

Re: Proposal for National ID (Acronym: BELIEVE)
 
The illuminati need to keep their eyes out of our government:

[QUOTE]Conspiracy theorists have claimed that many notable people were or are members of the Illuminati, including Winston Churchill, the Bush family, Barack Obama, the Rothschild family, David Rockefeller and Zbigniew Brzezinski.[/QUOTE]

hooskins 05-03-2010 10:56 AM

Re: Proposal for National ID (Acronym: BELIEVE)
 
Isnt everyone required to submit their fingerprints, if they are legal immigrants? Dont see what is wrong here.

I've been fingerprinted, to get clearance for government related projects so i dont really care about the fingerprinting.

Monkeydad 05-03-2010 10:57 AM

Re: Proposal for National ID (Acronym: BELIEVE)
 
I don't like this proposal for the sole reason that I'd have to trust the Government with even more personal data on me...not that they don't have it already, but this would make it easier for them to access it.

All that needs to be done is simple enforcement of existing immigration laws. We do not need to burden those here legally, just go after those who aren't. This is another attempt to be too friendly to those who are breaking the law and aren't supposed to be here.

mredskins 05-03-2010 02:20 PM

Re: Proposal for National ID (Acronym: BELIEVE)
 
[quote=firstdown;697614]I think everyone should have to give finger prints and a DNA sample so whenever we have a crime we can trace it down alot quicker.[/quote]


Surprising statement from someone so far to the right. Your plan would give Big Brother a lot of ammo.

CRedskinsRule 05-03-2010 05:06 PM

Re: Proposal for National ID (Acronym: BELIEVE)
 
Will aliens have to have National ID cards to:
[URL="http://www.kpvi.com/Global/story.asp?S=12416909"]Alien tries to enter cockpit[/URL]

Trample the Elderly 05-03-2010 06:47 PM

Re: Proposal for National ID (Acronym: BELIEVE)
 
I'll not get one. The tighter they squeeze, more power slips through their fingers.

dmek25 05-04-2010 07:36 AM

Re: Proposal for National ID (Acronym: BELIEVE)
 
TTE, just like you aren't paying taxes... you will do what big brother tells you to

joethiesmanfan 05-04-2010 09:33 AM

Re: Proposal for National ID (Acronym: BELIEVE)
 
[quote=dmek25;697977]TTE, just like you aren't paying taxes... you will do what big brother tells you to[/quote]

I don't wantto be carded. I don't want to be carded I don't want o be carded. Tea Party twins activate!!!!!

Schneed10 05-04-2010 10:17 AM

Re: Proposal for National ID (Acronym: BELIEVE)
 
I don't see what the big deal is. If you're not breaking any laws, what's wrong with having fingerprints on file electronically?

I guess there's the fear that the data gets misused or abused? Seems like paranoia over nothing though.

CRedskinsRule 05-04-2010 10:23 AM

Re: Proposal for National ID (Acronym: BELIEVE)
 
[quote=Schneed10;698030]I don't see what the big deal is. If you're not breaking any laws, what's wrong with having fingerprints on file electronically?

I guess there's the fear that the data gets misused or abused? Seems like paranoia over nothing though.[/quote]

My biggest thing, was the cynicism of the acronym, there is no doubt that national ID's are coming, and fact is the government has nearly all this information available in some way shape or form. It does open up the potential for abuse, but that is also just a part of a governmental structure, and the regulations need to be in place to minimize the opportunity and punish those who do abuse the privileges.

mredskins 05-04-2010 10:41 AM

Re: Proposal for National ID (Acronym: BELIEVE)
 
[quote=Schneed10;698030]I don't see what the big deal is. If you're not breaking any laws, what's wrong with having fingerprints on file electronically?

I guess there's the fear that the data gets misused or abused? Seems like paranoia over nothing though.[/quote]


Two words:

Umbrella Corporation

mredskins 05-04-2010 12:54 PM

Re: Proposal for National ID (Acronym: BELIEVE)
 
[quote=joethiesmanfan;698015]I don't wantto be carded. I don't want to be carded I don't want o be carded. [B]Tea Party twins activate!!!!![/B][/quote]


This my friend had me rolling!

[I]What are they going to turn into though?

Jayne: "Shape of a _____"

Zan: "Form of a ____"[/I]


[B]W. can play the roll of Gleek! [/B]

joethiesmanfan 05-04-2010 01:37 PM

Re: Proposal for National ID (Acronym: BELIEVE)
 
[quote=firstdown;698056]yea, i hate when i give the goverment my finger prints and they abuse them. How do you abuse finger prints or dna? I don't have a hugh problem is the us wanting an id but a national one is going too far. I think we should installs chips in every legal american and set up hugh lazers around the boarder for anyone who cross illegally gets zapped. Then we have no need for police to approach them for an id they just need to clean up the mess.[/quote]

fortress america

joethiesmanfan 05-04-2010 01:39 PM

Re: Proposal for National ID (Acronym: BELIEVE)
 
[quote=mredskins;698132]This my friend had me rolling!

[I]What are they going to turn into though?

Jayne: "Shape of a golf club"

Zan: "Form of an oil rig"[/I]


[B]W. can play the roll of Gleek! [/B][/quote]

Jayne: "Shape of a golf club"

Zan: "Form of an oil rig"

Trample the Elderly 05-04-2010 01:53 PM

Re: Proposal for National ID (Acronym: BELIEVE)
 
[quote=dmek25;697977]TTE, just like you aren't paying taxes... you will do what big brother tells you to[/quote]

Poor fool. Do what I'm doing. Learn Spanish, Mandarin Chinese, and get your passport ready. That's all I can tell you. Sooner or later the dollar is going to get un-pegged and collapse. The last card they'll have to play is to take us to war, AGAIN. Y'all can be the brass on the Titanic, I've already made preparations.

joethiesmanfan 05-04-2010 02:40 PM

Re: Proposal for National ID (Acronym: BELIEVE)
 
[quote=Trample the Elderly;698164]Poor fool. Do what I'm doing. Learn Spanish, Mandarin Chinese, and get your passport ready. That's all I can tell you. Sooner or later the dollar is going to get un-pegged and collapse. The last card they'll have to play is to take us to war, AGAIN. Y'all can be the brass on the Titanic, I've already made preparations.[/quote]

Don't forget me, can I pick the destination? Dominican Republic here we come. Even with the oily sand chocolate milk beaches.

SirClintonPortis 05-05-2010 03:22 AM

Re: Proposal for National ID (Acronym: BELIEVE)
 
Really, is anything ever used [I]solely[/I] for its initial intended purpose after other uses for it have been discovered?

CRedskinsRule 05-27-2010 10:07 AM

Re: Proposal for National ID (Acronym: BELIEVE)
 
Apparently the new UK government doesn't BELIEVE:
[url=http://www.google.com/hostednews/ukpress/article/ALeqM5hdYcUV-ATTzscK6V5QdMZvgTsTaQ]The Press Association: ID cards scrapped within 100 days[/url]

[QUOTE]Deputy Prime Minister Nick Clegg said: "The wasteful, bureaucratic and intrusive ID card system represents everything that has been wrong with Government in recent years."[/QUOTE]


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