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firstdown 05-11-2010 04:12 PM

Obama's Budget Cuts
 
Thought this was pretty good.

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GmXxBaLVDAk&feature=related]YouTube - Obama Budget Cut[/ame]

12thMan 05-11-2010 04:18 PM

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Hmm...how about $15 billion?

[url=http://www.koreatimes.co.kr/www/news/opinon/2010/05/137_65684.html]Gates takes on military spending bureaucracy[/url]

tryfuhl 05-11-2010 04:28 PM

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You're about a year late on this

[quote]or his part, the president acknowledged that the cuts he called for were hardly a fiscal panacea.

"None of these things alone are going to make a difference. But cumulatively they would make an extraordinary difference because they start setting a tone," Obama said. "And so what we're going to do is line by line, page by page, $100 million there, $100 million here, pretty soon, even in Washington, it adds up to real money."[/quote]

[url=http://money.cnn.com/2009/04/20/news/economy/obama_cabinet_costcutting/index.htm?section=money_topstories]What Obama's pledge to cut $100 million really means - Apr. 20, 2009[/url]

firstdown 05-11-2010 04:39 PM

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[quote=12thMan;700276]Hmm...how about $15 billion?

[URL="http://www.koreatimes.co.kr/www/news/opinon/2010/05/137_65684.html"]Gates takes on military spending bureaucracy[/URL][/quote]

Well thats great but he just added a trillion and another 593 billion for health care so I guess we need a bigger table to hold all the pennies.

firstdown 05-11-2010 04:42 PM

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Ok, guys I know its old but when you hear someone is cutting 100 million you think of this hugh savings. This film really does a great job of putting it into perspective.

12thMan 05-11-2010 04:45 PM

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[quote=firstdown;700286]Ok, guys I know its old but when you hear someone is cutting 100 million you think of this hugh savings. This film really does a great job of putting it into perspective.[/quote]


No, that was a great illustration though. It's less than a drop in the bucket.

But I get your point, when campaign time comes Obama can say I cut, blah, blah, blah...

Beemnseven 05-11-2010 08:11 PM

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It's interesting to hear politicians say they're going to tighten their belts, reign in spending, but they always add this caveat: We're not touching Social Security, Medicare, Medicaid or defense.

That's like saying "I'm going on a hunger strike! . . . Except during breakfast, lunch, and dinner, of course."

The problem will never go away, and things will only get worse until we tackle the elephant in the room -- entitlements.

Bushead 05-11-2010 11:07 PM

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I really liked that demonstration. I know this probably opened a can of worms, but how well that described it really puts it into place.

joethiesmanfan 05-12-2010 07:26 AM

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Should've thought about that before the Bush tax cuts. What did you think? Obama was gonna get in office and not be able to do anything? You can complain about the budget all day. Why didn't the Republican party think about that when they had a budget surplus?

CRedskinsRule 05-12-2010 07:49 AM

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[quote=joethiesmanfan;700381]Should've thought about that before the Bush tax cuts. What did you think? Obama was gonna get in office and not be able to do anything? You can complain about the budget all day. Why didn't the Republican party think about that when they had a budget surplus?[/quote]

Instead of making this a Democratic/Republican debate, why not look at what the government as a whole is doing. And that is spending beyond our means. I think if we could re-frame the debate along those lines, the whole democrat-republican framework of debate could be toppled, and maybe we could come up with a new approach to resolving our nation's issues, from healthcare to debt management to overspending on defense. But as long as the 2 parties are able to play the sentiments of one group against each other, both parties can keep spending like drunken sailors, and blame the other party for spending on the pet projects their constituents don't support. It's the classic 3 card monte strategy of shifting targets until the real answer is just an illusion.

joethiesmanfan 05-12-2010 07:52 AM

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;700382]Instead of making this a Democratic/Republican debate, why not look at what the government as a whole is doing. And that is spending beyond our means. I think if we could re-frame the debate along those lines, the whole democrat-republican framework of debate could be toppled, and maybe we could come up with a new approach to resolving our nation's issues, from healthcare to debt management to overspending on defense. But as long as the 2 parties are able to play the sentiments of one group against each other, both parties can keep spending like drunken sailors, and blame the other party for spending on the pet projects their constituents don't support. It's the classic 3 card monte strategy of shifting targets until the real answer is just an illusion.[/quote]

Look at the government as a whole? Okay let's get everything outta Iraq and Afghanistan right now. That should save how much? Repeal the bush tax cuts, then I think we should be back in the black. See it is partisan. The Republican agenda is waht got us in this fiscal mess.

CRedskinsRule 05-12-2010 08:23 AM

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[quote=joethiesmanfan;700383]Look at the government as a whole? Okay let's get everything outta Iraq and Afghanistan right now. That should save how much? Repeal the bush tax cuts, then I think we should be back in the black. See it is partisan. The Republican agenda is waht got us in this fiscal mess.[/quote]

Umm, ok. or let's stop the Health care overhaul and cut discretionary spending, and that should put us back in the black. And the 3 card monte continues.

It's not as simple as "get everything outta Iraq" or "roll back Health care". But politician are kings of manipulation and some simpleton's like to make broad sweeping statements disregarding the realities of threats to america, or uninsured americans, or many others complex topics, and then blame the opposing party. There are solutions, but it starts by taking off the blinders that hate and dogma put on you.

joethiesmanfan 05-12-2010 08:45 AM

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;700401]Umm, ok. or let's stop the Health care overhaul and cut discretionary spending, and that should put us back in the black. And the 3 card monte continues.

It's not as simple as "get everything outta Iraq" or "roll back Health care". But politician are kings of manipulation and some simpleton's like to make broad sweeping statements disregarding the realities of threats to america, or uninsured americans, or many others complex topics, and then blame the opposing party. There are solutions, but it starts by taking off the blinders that hate and dogma put on you.[/quote]


Allow me to refresh your memeory:
Threats to America = 300 billion dollar no bid contracts to Halliburton. (200,000 dollars a year to wash dishes, which branch of our armed forces makes 200,000 a year) If the money ain't going to the troops it's a waste.

Uninsured Americans = socialism - We all pay for their health care if we leave things at it's status quo we pay so what' with the fake outrage?

Clinton = surplus. Bush = "I need 786 billion dollars". This does not take a genius.

Daseal 05-12-2010 09:16 AM

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Let's be honest -- both sides of the aisle spend like dogs. While they have different priorities, they both spend a lot of money. I'm really hoping we get a true fiscal conservative running. My views are very liberal, but I'm very conservative when it comes to spending. We need to get our bank right and live within our means. They tell the common Joe to live within their means, yet the country throws hundreds of millions of dollars around that they don't have.

joethiesmanfan 05-12-2010 09:19 AM

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[quote=Daseal;700408]Let's be honest -- both sides of the aisle spend like dogs. While they have different priorities, they both spend a lot of money. I'm really hoping we get a true fiscal conservative running. My views are very liberal, but I'm very conservative when it comes to spending. We need to get our bank right and live within our means. They tell the common Joe to live within their means, yet the country throws hundreds of millions of dollars around that they don't have.[/quote]

Well we had to spend when everybody getting laid off. We don't let the average Joe go homeless as we bailout the banks. The function of banks in a capitalist society makes the banks damn near apart of the government nayway.


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