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GMScud 06-18-2010 01:07 PM

Utah killer executed by firing squad
 
Firing squad? I had no idea this was still used as a method of execution. Damn.

[url=http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/gallery/2010/06/18/GA2010061802006.html?hpid=artslot]Firing squad executes convicted killer Ronnie Lee Gardner[/url]

Big C 06-18-2010 01:20 PM

Re: Utah killer executed by firing squad
 
old school, i like. i remember reading about him wanting it this way a while back. old school=good. hehe.

Lotus 06-18-2010 01:24 PM

Re: Utah killer executed by firing squad
 
A firing squad is abnormal as a method of execution. They only used it because he requested it.

We as a country need to wake up and abolish the death penalty. It is an expensive waste.

Note:
1) contrary to popular belief, the death penalty is more expensive. It costs about $750,000 to keep someone in maximum security for life, and maximum security protects society by keeping the murderer locked up. However, because of legal appeals, each death penalty case costs $3-4 million. So, for example, a recent study showed that Florida could save $51 million a year by abolishing the death penalty. The old argument that "I'm not gonna pay to keep a murderer alive" is financial nonsense. This is a big reason why New Jersey abolished the death penalty last year.

2) numerous studies have shown that the death penalty does not deter crime. Almost all of the states with the highest murder rates have the death penalty. Almost all of the states with the lowest murder rates do not have the death penalty.

Big C 06-18-2010 01:41 PM

Re: Utah killer executed by firing squad
 
i disagree. i think some people are better off not existing on this planet anymore.

Trample the Elderly 06-18-2010 01:51 PM

Re: Utah killer executed by firing squad
 
[quote=Lotus;707339]A firing squad is abnormal as a method of execution. They only used it because he requested it.

We as a country need to wake up and abolish the death penalty. It is an expensive waste.

Note:
1) contrary to popular belief, the death penalty is more expensive. It costs about $750,000 to keep someone in maximum security for life, and maximum security protects society by keeping the murderer locked up. However, because of legal appeals, each death penalty case costs $3-4 million. So, for example, a recent study showed that Florida could save $51 million a year by abolishing the death penalty. The old argument that "I'm not gonna pay to keep a murderer alive" is financial nonsense. This is a big reason why New Jersey abolished the death penalty last year.

2) numerous studies have shown that the death penalty does not deter crime. Almost all of the states with the highest murder rates have the death penalty. Almost all of the states with the lowest murder rates do not have the death penalty.[/quote]

Wrong Lotus. Being burned at the stake is cruel and unusual. George Washington had people executed by firing squad. It is still on the books today as is the gas chamber and hanging.

A bullet costs next to nothing. Letting criminals stay on death-row for years to appease bleeding hearts is expensive.

Rapist and murderers should all be shot! MF each and every one of them. Better yet, televise it too.

Lotus 06-18-2010 01:51 PM

Re: Utah killer executed by firing squad
 
[quote=Big C;707347]i disagree. i think some people are better off not existing on this planet anymore.[/quote]

And you'd prefer to pay millions of dollars a year to keep that belief?

Lotus 06-18-2010 01:53 PM

Re: Utah killer executed by firing squad
 
[quote=Trample the Elderly;707351]Wrong Lotus. Being burned at the stake is cruel and unusual. George Washington had people executed by firing squad. [B]It is still on the books today as is the gas chamber and hanging. [/B]

A bullet costs next to nothing. Letting criminals stay on death-row for years to appease bleeding hearts is expensive.

Rapist and murderers should all be shot! MF each and every one of them. Better yet, televise it too.[/quote]

As for the firing squad, I wasn't saying anything different than you are. It is just not the usual, that's all.

As for "Letting criminals stay on death-row for years to appease bleeding hearts is expensive," as I have already shown, it is actually less expensive than executions.

Trample the Elderly 06-18-2010 01:57 PM

Re: Utah killer executed by firing squad
 
[quote=Lotus;707354]As for the firing squad, I wasn't saying anything different than you are. It is just not the usual, that's all.

As for "Letting criminals stay on death-row for years to appease bleeding hearts is expensive," as I have already shown, it is actually less expensive than executions.[/quote]

Dude you're reaching.

Food, clothing, and shelter for years = $

Have the scum dig his own grave then shooting his ass = cheap and legal

You don't need to be a genius to get that.

GhettoDogAllStars 06-18-2010 03:43 PM

Re: Utah killer executed by firing squad
 
[quote=Lotus;707339]A firing squad is abnormal as a method of execution. They only used it because he requested it.

We as a country need to wake up and abolish the death penalty. It is an expensive waste.

Note:
1) contrary to popular belief, the death penalty is more expensive. It costs about $750,000 to keep someone in maximum security for life, and maximum security protects society by keeping the murderer locked up. However, because of legal appeals, each death penalty case costs $3-4 million. So, for example, a recent study showed that Florida could save $51 million a year by abolishing the death penalty. The old argument that "I'm not gonna pay to keep a murderer alive" is financial nonsense. This is a big reason why New Jersey abolished the death penalty last year.

2) numerous studies have shown that the death penalty does not deter crime. Almost all of the states with the highest murder rates have the death penalty. Almost all of the states with the lowest murder rates do not have the death penalty.[/quote]

I'll back you up here. I don't support the death penalty either, but when the circumstances are right, I support vengeance killing.

My basic point of view is: we have made mistakes with the death penalty and have killed innocent people. Not cool with me that our government kills innocent people. Certainly not the way a free society should act, IMO.

I also think that lawyers are taught the n-Guilty men doctrine, which pretty much states that it is better for guilty men to go free than innocent men to be imprisoned. Maybe some Warpath lawyers can confirm/deny this.

As for vengeance killing -- if I witnessed somebody commit serious crimes against my family or loved ones, I might become enraged and kill them out of vengeance and I don't think I would be wrong for doing it -- or anyone else for that matter.

Just my $0.02

In any case, I saw an article about this guy before. Firing squad has been eliminated as a means for execution in the state of Utah. However, this guy and a few others had requested it before its elimination, and so they were "grandfathered" in. I've got to say, I like his style.

firstdown 06-18-2010 04:00 PM

Re: Utah killer executed by firing squad
 
[quote=GhettoDogAllStars;707388]I'll back you up here. I don't support the death penalty either, but when the circumstances are right, I support vengeance killing.

My basic point of view is: we have made mistakes with the death penalty and have killed innocent people. Not cool with me that our government kills innocent people. Certainly not the way a free society should act, IMO.

I also think that lawyers are taught the n-Guilty men doctrine, which pretty much states that it is better for guilty men to go free than innocent men to be imprisoned. Maybe some Warpath lawyers can confirm/deny this.

As for vengeance killing -- if I witnessed somebody commit serious crimes against my family or loved ones, I might become enraged and kill them out of vengeance and I don't think I would be wrong for doing it -- or anyone else for that matter.

Just my $0.02

In any case, I saw an article about this guy before. Firing squad has been eliminated as a means for execution in the state of Utah. However, this guy and a few others had requested it before its elimination, and so they were "grandfathered" in. I've got to say, I like his style.[/quote]

Not many people are convicted in todays world without DNA evidence to convict them. I say when we are 100% sure we have the right person give them one appeal then death.

Lotus 06-18-2010 04:45 PM

Re: Utah killer executed by firing squad
 
[quote=Trample the Elderly;707356]Dude you're reaching.

Food, clothing, and shelter for years = $

Have the scum dig his own grave then shooting his ass = cheap and legal

You don't need to be a genius to get that.[/quote]

Life in prison under maximum security = $750,000

Court costs for the state in a death penalty case = $3mil. to $4 mil.

Tramp, the math is easy on this one.

SmootSmack 06-18-2010 05:00 PM

Re: Utah killer executed by firing squad
 
[url=http://news.yahoo.com/s/ynews/ynews_ts2702]Utah official gives execution go-ahead, then tweets - Yahoo! News[/url]

Not sure I'd be tweeting about this

Trample the Elderly 06-18-2010 05:16 PM

Re: Utah killer executed by firing squad
 
[quote=Lotus;707412]Life in prison under maximum security = $750,000

Court costs for the state in a death penalty case = $3mil. to $4 mil.

Tramp, the math is easy on this one.[/quote]

Poor thing. You're telling me the cost of beaucracy is justification for allowing pedophiles, rapists, and murderers to live off my dime.

Back before the criminals were allowed to shoot dope, lift weights, and sodomize each other all day, it costed nothing to house them. They worked on prison farms, in prison shops, or built roads on a chain-gang. If they got out of line they were put under the prison. 'Shaken the bush boss!"

It's not about the money. It's about justice. And don't give me all that jazz about innocent people getting convicted. More innocent people die every year on our highways than have ever been mistakenly executed by the criminal justice system. That's life!

I remember a scum-bag puke piece of shit illegal alien, who with the help of his buddies, gang raped two young girls and then strangled them with their own shoe strings. He confessed. So your financial arguement is out the window Lotus. I forgot what state executed the vermin filth? Maybe some of you remember?

All of you moralist will whistle a different tune when your wife, mother, or daughter is raped and strangled to death by an illegal alien.

Schneed10 06-18-2010 07:04 PM

Re: Utah killer executed by firing squad
 
[quote=Lotus;707352]And you'd prefer to pay millions of dollars a year to keep that belief?[/quote]

Total up the millions being spent on death row cases, divide it by the number of taxpayers in this country, and you're talking about a cost of no more than $1 per taxpayer per year.

Sometimes it's important to keep numbers in perspective. "Millions" is nothing when it comes to the US budget.

Yes, I'll gladly pay my $1 to see these people get what's coming.

Lotus 06-18-2010 07:12 PM

Re: Utah killer executed by firing squad
 
[quote=Trample the Elderly;707424][B]Poor thing. You're telling me the cost of beaucracy is justification for allowing pedophiles, rapists, and murderers to live off my dime. [/B]

Back before the criminals were allowed to shoot dope, lift weights, and sodomize each other all day, it costed nothing to house them. They worked on prison farms, in prison shops, or built roads on a chain-gang. If they got out of line they were put under the prison. 'Shaken the bush boss!"

It's not about the money. It's about justice. And don't give me all that jazz about innocent people getting convicted. More innocent people die every year on our highways than have ever been mistakenly executed by the criminal justice system. That's life!

I remember a scum-bag puke piece of shit illegal alien, who with the help of his buddies, gang raped two young girls and then strangled them with their own shoe strings. He confessed. So your financial arguement is out the window Lotus. I forgot what state executed the vermin filth? Maybe some of you remember?

All of you moralist will whistle a different tune when your wife, mother, or daughter is raped and strangled to death by an illegal alien.[/quote]

No, I'm telling you that life in prison is off your dime. Execution is off your millions.

However, if you continue to applaud while the government squanders your tax dollar, so be it.


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