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firstdown 06-25-2010 09:37 AM

Condoms For First Graders?
 
The left wonders why I feel the need to work harder so my child can go to private school. The first sentence of the article tells allot. No one objected to this in the meeting or thought anything was wrong with giving condoms to children that young without telling the parents.

"When the school board in Provincetown, Mass., voted unanimously on June 8 to provide free condoms to all students in the district without parental notification, no one in the audience objected."

[url=http://www.foxnews.com/us/2010/06/24/condoms-kids-provincetown-protest-bad-day/]FOXNews.com - Condoms for First Graders? School Board's Decision Sparks Firestorm in Massachusetts[/url]

mredskins 06-25-2010 09:47 AM

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[quote=firstdown;708889]The left wonders why I feel the need to work harder so my child can go to private school. The first sentence of the article tells allot. No one objected to this in the meeting or thought anything was wrong with giving condoms to children that young without telling the parents.

"When the school board in [B]Provincetown, Mass[/B]., voted unanimously on June 8 to provide free condoms to all students in the district without parental notification, no one in the audience objected."

[URL="http://www.foxnews.com/us/2010/06/24/condoms-kids-provincetown-protest-bad-day/"]FOXNews.com - Condoms for First Graders? School Board's Decision Sparks Firestorm in Massachusetts[/URL][/quote]


Probably the largest gay area on the east coast. To say that town is free thinkers is an understatement.

firstdown 06-25-2010 10:00 AM

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[quote=mredskins;708890]Probably the largest gay area on the east coast. To say that town is free thinkers is an understatement.[/quote]
So just because your gay you have no morals or no standards?

SolidSnake84 06-25-2010 10:02 AM

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This bothers me in a few different ways. I'll try my best to explain all.

society is definatley sexualizing children, which i'm well aware of. I think 1st graders are too young to be given condoms, thats for sure.

The media likes to portray the "innocent children" fluff too. I'm also aware of that. However, for every one "innocent" child, there are a few others who are smoking weed, getting drunk, having sex, etc. etc.

I will go on record and say that i think children shouldn't obviously be having sex, for obvious reasons.

However, it is well known now adays that even in the 5th and 6th grade, there is sex and sexual stuff going on now between kids, and i'd have to assume that many of them are not being careful and thinking about STDS or pregnancy or whatever.

i think if these kids decide they want to have sex, then they should also realize they need to use protection. I guess some could argue that the schools should try to discourage sex, but we all know kids are going to be kids and eventually they are going to decide to have sex.

All we can do is try and promote responsibility and teach the importance of safe sex.

However, i think before the 6th grade, elementary school should have no business handing out condoms and the like.

mredskins 06-25-2010 10:28 AM

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[quote=firstdown;708895]So just because your gay you have no morals or no standards?[/quote]


I didn't say that, I was just saying that most gay communities are liberal in their thoughts.

Have you ever been there? It is on the tip of cape cod and probably has 100 year residents.

For the record most extreme right wingers believe gays have no morals or standards simple because they are gay.

budw38 06-25-2010 10:30 AM

Re: Condoms For First Graders?
 
[quote=firstdown;708889]The left wonders why I feel the need to work harder so my child can go to private school. The first sentence of the article tells allot. No one objected to this in the meeting or thought anything was wrong with giving condoms to children that young without telling the parents.

"When the school board in Provincetown, Mass., voted unanimously on June 8 to provide free condoms to all students in the district without parental notification, no one in the audience objected."

[URL="http://www.foxnews.com/us/2010/06/24/condoms-kids-provincetown-protest-bad-day/"]FOXNews.com - Condoms for First Graders? School Board's Decision Sparks Firestorm in Massachusetts[/URL][/quote]
Some of the far left are just ....out to lunch .... f'ing 1st graders ??Whats next , giving away hotel suites to 6th-8th graders if they get good grades , maybe stock a wet bar too ? Give tham rolling papers and needles too , just in case they want to go that route ??? Maybe would should start to punish adults that do not meet there parental duties , as many parents need to stop acting like kids and raise their children like an adult should . Our public schools are a joke at times = fail .

firstdown 06-25-2010 10:38 AM

Re: Condoms For First Graders?
 
[quote=mredskins;708901]I didn't say that, I was just saying that most gay communities are liberal in their thoughts.

For the record most extreme right wingers believe gays have no morals or standards simple because they are gay.[/quote]

I did not really direct the question to you I just threw it out there. I have and know a good number of gay people and they all have better morals then allot of other people I know. I don't by the fact that because your gay you have no morals.

saden1 06-25-2010 10:38 AM

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I'm sure they had condoms for first graders in mind when they though of providing free condoms to all students. Seems like no one is forcing the students to actually take the condom...if your kid is fucking around it's not the schools fault, it is yours.

firstdown 06-25-2010 10:46 AM

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Its the schools fault if they know my kid is f*&ing around and they don't tell me. If someone gave my 7 yr old child a condom I go up to the school and kick their ass and when I got out of jail I'd kick their ass again. By the school providing the condome they are saying its OK for these children to F around. Thats like me telling my child that candy is bad for her then handing her a bag of candy for if she decides want to eat some.

Mattyk 06-25-2010 10:46 AM

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Kids are "getting started" at younger and younger ages these days. That's the reality of it. What we really need is more education at younger ages, and honestly I don't have a huge problem with making protection available. Let's face it they're doing it whether they have protection or not, so why not make it available?

Overall this speaks to a bigger issue, and that's the need for more education and guidance at earlier ages both in school and at home.

saden1 06-25-2010 10:52 AM

Re: Condoms For First Graders?
 
[quote=firstdown;708913]Its the schools fault if they know my kid is f*&ing around and they don't tell me. If someone gave my 7 yr old child a condom I go up to the school and kick their ass and when I got out of jail I'd kick their ass again. By the school providing the condome they are saying its OK for these children to F around. Thats like me telling my child that candy is bad for her then handing her a bag of candy for if she decides want to eat some.[/quote]

The schools job is not to monitor your kid's sexual activity...I don't think that's in their mandate. You should be grateful they're providing services that insures your kid doesn't catch AIDS. If your kid takes a free condom they're not giving it to them. It's all on you! Always!

Monkeydad 06-25-2010 10:57 AM

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[quote=saden1;708909]I'm sure they had condoms for first graders when they though of providing free condoms to all students. Seems like no one is forcing the students to actually take the condom...if your kid is fucking around it's not the schools fault, it is yours.[/quote]

6 year-olds should not even have a clue what sex is. The school is not providing a service by making condoms available, they're introducing sex to small children before the parents even need to or get to explain it to their kids. They are FAR too young to worry about it, they need to be children and play.

Your mentality and these schools are absolutely disgusting, immoral and contributing to the downfall of our society. Too many schools are trying to race into the childrens' minds and mold/corrupt/control their ideas and morals before the parents can fully instill their beliefs in their children. God is only mentioned in schools when they have an opportunity to speak negatively and tear down religion. The real history of this nation is hidden and changed to include those who the school/Government want to make important...and exclude those who don't fit their current political agenda. The real history of this nation has to be taught at home now. I don't care if no black men were present for the Founding of the Nation...it's simply how it happened and should be taught accurately. Yes, we've had great men of color in our nation's history who have contributed mightily, but include them alongside learning about Thomas Paine and Paul Revere...not instead of them. The nation was founded on Christian principles...factually...so teach that. The Bible doesn't have to be read, just teach what the Founders actually believed at the time in a historical context...not negate mentioning of Christianity while having days where kids must pretend to be Muslim or Hindu.

It's scary how the school systems and Government are blatantly trying to indoctrinate our kids to have a future voting class on their side. They realize my generation is already "lost", meaning we've learned some of the nation's real history and can think on our own, so they're actively trying to get to our childrens' minds before we as parents can. Their goal is not entirely to teach our kids, it's to make our kids think like them.

How you can rationalize this decision or excuse it is beyond me. Not only are kids this young not ready for sex physically, but not psychologically either. They should really have no idea it's something they can do at that age, it will only scar the kids morally for a lifetime and ruin their childhoods that are supposed to be for enjoying life and not having the stresses and responsibilities of adulthood. To introduce them to this so young is to literally rob them of their childhood.


This is why my wife and I are seriously considering homeschooling, at least in the lower grades, so we don't have to worry about what is bring done to our son behind our backs, or having to FIX everything they taught him incorrectly in school...mainly in the social studies and history department.

Chico23231 06-25-2010 10:58 AM

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There should be an age limit. Anyone who would give a condom to a first grader should be fired.

But that raises the question, which is the appropriate age? When does sex ed begin in school these days..5th, 6th grade? Make the condom availible to middle schooler then...its really not that hard of a problem to solve

saden1 06-25-2010 11:01 AM

Re: Condoms For First Graders?
 
[quote=Buster;708922]6 year-olds should not even have a clue what sex is. The school is not providing a service by making condoms available, they're introducing sex to small children before the parents even need to or get to explain it to their kids. They are FAR too young to worry about it, they need to be children and play.

Your mentality and these schools are absolutely disgusting, immoral and contributing to the downfall of our society. Too many schools are trying to race into the childrens' minds and mold/corrupt/control their ideas and morals before the parents can fully instill their beliefs in their children. God is only mentioned in schools when they have an opportunity to speak negatively and tear down religion. The real history of this nation is hidden and changed to include those who the school/Government want to make important...and exclude those who don't fit their current political agenda. The real history of this nation has to be taught at home now. I don't care if no black men were present for the Founding of the Nation...it's simply how it happened and should be taught accurately. Yes, we've had great men of color in our nation's history who have contributed mightily, but include them alongside learning about Thomas Paine and Paul Revere...not instead of them. The nation was founded on Christian principles...factually...so teach that. The Bible doesn't have to be read, just teach what the Founders actually believed at the time in a historical context...not negate mentioning of Christianity while having days where kids must pretend to be Muslim or Hindu.

It's scary how the school systems and Government are blatantly trying to indoctrinate our kids to have a future voting class on their side. They realize my generation is already "lost", meaning we've learned some of the nation's real history and can think on our own, so they're actively trying to get to our childrens' minds before we as parents can. Their goal is not entirely to teach our kids, it's to make our kids think like them.

How you can rationalize this decision or excuse it is beyond me. Not only are kids this young not ready for sex physically, but not psychologically either. They should really have no idea it's something they can do at that age, it will only scar the kids morally for a lifetime and ruin their childhoods that are supposed to be for enjoying life and not having the stresses and responsibilities of adulthood. To introduce them to this so young is to literally rob them of their childhood.


This is why my wife and I are seriously considering homeschooling, at least in the lower grades, so we don't have to worry about what is bring done to our son behind our backs, or having to FIX everything they taught him incorrectly in school...mainly in the social studies and history department.[/quote]

Fuck off, knowledge is power. If your kid doesn't know what sex at six grade how are they going to know if it's "immoral and wrong?"

Monkeydad 06-25-2010 11:01 AM

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[quote=Mattyk;708914]Kids are "getting started" at younger and younger ages these days. That's the reality of it.[/quote]

Thanks to schools' sex education starting as early as Kindergarten, as well as Hollywood/MTV/etc.

If you make them aware of it younger, of course they'll be curious earlier.

Parents also have a large chunk of the blame, but now the reality is that kids are purposely being introduced to it at an artificially young age before they'd even be interested in it. Even children of the best parents are still learning about sex before they SHOULD and good parents are also being forced to explain it and answer questions coming from the education system. Parents should not have to teach a 5 year-old about sex...but because they're having sex education forced on them in school, the parents have to counter it.

Handing condoms to kids is not protecting them, it's enabling them and pushing them into curiosity they should not even be aware of so young.


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