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CRedskinsRule 07-02-2010 03:50 PM

For JTF's Reading Pleasure: "What is the Tea Party"
 
[url=http://news.yahoo.com/s/ynews_spec/20100701/pl_ynews_spec/ynews_spec_pl3005;_ylt=AibV_OsLRP4LQYN1wqWmdpuyFz4D;_ylu=X3oDMTJxZmRqMjVnBGFzc2V0A3luZXdzX3NwZWMvMjAxMDA3MDEveW5ld3Nfc3BlY19wbDMwMDUEY3BvcwMxBHBvcwMyBHNlYwN5bl90b3Bfc3RvcnkEc2xrA3doYXRpc3RoZXRlYQ--]What is the Tea Party? A growing state of mind - Yahoo! News[/url]

Interesting article, but I mainly wanted JTF to have some fun reading for this Independence weekend!

saden1 07-02-2010 04:09 PM

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What does "I don’t really understand it, but I like what they stand for" mean?

[URL="http://www.nytimes.com/2010/07/04/magazine/04graham-t.html"]Lindsy Graham[/URL] said it best:

[QUOTE] On four occasions, Graham met with Tea Party groups. The first, in his Senate office, was “very, very contentious,” he recalled. During a later meeting, in Charleston, Graham said he challenged them: “ ‘What do you want to do? You take back your country — and do what with it?’ . . . Everybody went from being kind of hostile to just dead silent.”

In a previous conversation, Graham told me: “The problem with the Tea Party, I think it’s just unsustainable because they can never come up with a coherent vision for governing the country. It will die out.” Now he said, in a tone of casual lament: “We don’t have a lot of Reagan-type leaders in our party. Remember Ronald Reagan Democrats? I want a Republican that can attract Democrats.” Chortling, he added, “Ronald Reagan would have a hard time getting elected as a Republican today.”[/QUOTE]

mlmpetert 07-02-2010 04:33 PM

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[quote=saden1;710466]What does "I don’t really understand it, but I like what they stand for" mean?[/quote]

Reminds me of porn a little bit:

[FONT=Calibri][FONT=Verdana][SIZE=2]"I shall not today attempt further to define the kinds of material I understand to be embraced within that shorthand description ["hard-core pornography"]; and perhaps I could never succeed in intelligibly doing so. But I know it when I see it, and the motion picture involved in this case is not that."[/SIZE][/FONT][/FONT]
[FONT=Calibri][FONT=Verdana][SIZE=2]- Justice Potter Stewart [/SIZE][/FONT][/FONT]


[FONT=Calibri][FONT=Calibri][SIZE=2][COLOR=black][FONT=Verdana]I went to VCU and im still involved with VCU and we have a huge emo/hipster/scencester crowd. Richmond city is also extremely liberal. Like most colleges i would say the school is liberal leaning. But a lot of the students are clear Tea Party supporters and they are well organized and active.[/FONT][/COLOR][/SIZE]

[SIZE=2][FONT=Verdana][COLOR=black]I think of the Tea Party as a little bit country, a little bit rock and roll. Socially liberal, fiscally conservative. [/COLOR][/FONT][/SIZE]
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firstdown 07-02-2010 04:52 PM

Re: For JTF's Reading Pleasure: "What is the Tea Party"
 
[quote=saden1;710466]What does "I don’t really understand it, but I like what they stand for" mean?

[URL="http://www.nytimes.com/2010/07/04/magazine/04graham-t.html"]Lindsy Graham[/URL] said it best:[/quote]


He says that because he knows he is part of the problem the one like the people in the Tea Party want to see gone. He wishes the Tea Party would go away and when they run someone against has ass he can sit at home and talk about how they are fading away some more. The left is just as scared of this growing movement. Hell I might donate some money to them because we need other choices then what we have in DC today. What is Congresses approval rating 18% or something like that so I know I'm not the only one who feels we need change.

Schneed10 07-02-2010 04:56 PM

Re: For JTF's Reading Pleasure: "What is the Tea Party"
 
[quote=saden1;710466]What does "I don’t really understand it, but I like what they stand for" mean?

[URL="http://www.nytimes.com/2010/07/04/magazine/04graham-t.html"]Lindsy Graham[/URL] said it best:[/quote]

It's really quite simple, I don't know why they would have trouble answering:

Cut spending.

Get some people in Congress to say no on spending bills and yes on cutting programs. From an economic perspective, the deficit needs to be brought under control before we really put ourselves in financial trouble.

saden1 07-02-2010 05:01 PM

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[quote=Schneed10;710473]It's really quite simple, I don't know why they would have trouble answering:

Cut spending.

Get some people in Congress to say no on spending bills and yes on cutting programs. From an economic perspective, the deficit needs to be brought under control before we really put ourselves in financial trouble.[/quote]

I wish it was that simple because the only spending people seem to want to cut is [URL="http://www.economist.com/blogs/democracyinamerica/2010/04/economistyougov_polling"]foreign aid[/URL].

[IMG]http://www.economist.com/sites/default/files/images/blogs/2010w14/pollquestion400.jpg[/IMG]

Lotus 07-02-2010 05:03 PM

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[quote]Nearly half say blacks lag in jobs, income and housing "because most African-Americans just don't have the motivation or willpower to pull themselves up out of poverty."[/quote]

With such bigoted views, the Tea Party will be its own undoing. History is moving in the opposite direction from such views.

saden1 07-02-2010 05:08 PM

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[quote=firstdown;710471]He says that because he knows he is part of the problem the one like the people in the Tea Party want to see gone. He wishes the Tea Party would go away and when they run someone against has ass he can sit at home and talk about how they are fading away some more. The left is just as scared of this growing movement. Hell I might donate some money to them because we need other choices then what we have in DC today. What is Congresses approval rating 18% or something like that so I know I'm not the only one who feels we need change.[/quote]

Seems to me he doesn't give a shit about his job security like his buddy McCain seems to. Tea Party = Green Party at best and overall people seem to have a negative view of them. Time will tell, my bet is they disappear soon as Obama leaves office.

CRedskinsRule 07-02-2010 05:11 PM

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[quote=saden1;710474]I wish it was that simple because the only spending people seem to want to cut is [URL="http://www.economist.com/blogs/democracyinamerica/2010/04/economistyougov_polling"]foreign aid[/URL].

[IMG]http://www.economist.com/sites/default/files/images/blogs/2010w14/pollquestion400.jpg[/IMG][/quote]

I would be happy, slightly, if we cut each one of those areas by the percent of people who want it cut. so 7% cut in SS, 22% cut in Defense, 71% cut in foreign aid, etc etc. It would be a start.

As for not answering the one question, that is your typical trick question. No answer, or any answer, and it would be thrown around and mutilated in the press. People know what they want to be done, but the mass media and political elite work together to run contrarian ideas through the "spin" cycle.

Lotus, if it is a pure racist tendency it will die out, but what if the phrasing was not put into black/white dialogue as it gets portrayed, but instead just a simple, generic, our American culture is creating lots of people nowadays who are more willing to rely on handouts versus working hard and living within our means. Would that be more sustainable.

Trample the Elderly 07-02-2010 05:12 PM

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[quote=saden1;710466]What does "I don’t really understand it, but I like what they stand for" mean?

[URL="http://www.nytimes.com/2010/07/04/magazine/04graham-t.html"]Lindsy Graham[/URL] said it best:[/quote]

Lindsy Graham is being black-mailed, as is a good many Republican, because he's a homosexual. The man's compromised. Lindsy Graham has as much of a chance of getting re-elected as my big toe.

But that's Ok. Bomb some Persians because if you're not, you hate black people. Pay more taxes because if you don't, you're a racist. Give up your liberties because if you don't, you're a bigot. If you don't believe in global warming you're a holocaust denier. Please . . .

firstdown 07-02-2010 05:20 PM

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[quote=saden1;710474]I wish it was that simple because the only spending people seem to want to cut is [URL="http://www.economist.com/blogs/democracyinamerica/2010/04/economistyougov_polling"]foreign aid[/URL].

[IMG]http://www.economist.com/sites/default/files/images/blogs/2010w14/pollquestion400.jpg[/IMG][/quote]

Cut education because the federal government has no business in education that the states job. You know how I feel about SS so that can be phased out over the years. Agriculture, Science & Technology could all be reduced. Hell just cut waist across the board and we would be allot better off.

The problem with federal programs is they are pretty much forced to spend every penny of funding every year or loose the money. Thats a flawed system and if we fixed that we would save billions each year.

saden1 07-02-2010 05:20 PM

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;710478]I would be happy, slightly, if we cut each one of those areas by the percent of people who want it cut. so 7% cut in SS, 22% cut in Defense, 71% cut in foreign aid, etc etc. It would be a start.

As for not answering the one question, that is your typical trick question. No answer, or any answer, and it would be thrown around and mutilated in the press. People know what they want to be done, but the mass media and political elite work together to run contrarian ideas through the "spin" cycle.

Lotus, if it is a pure racist tendency it will die out, but what if the phrasing was not put into black/white dialogue as it gets portrayed, but instead just a simple, generic, our American culture is creating lots of people nowadays who are more willing to rely on handouts versus working hard and living within our means. Would that be more sustainable.[/quote]

I'd like to see a politician run on a platform of cutting medicare, ss, and defense..that will be the day. It's not a trick question, it's rhetorical question.

firstdown 07-02-2010 05:24 PM

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[quote=saden1;710482]I'd like to see a politician run on a platform of cutting medicare, ss, and defense..that will be the day. It's not a trick question, it's rhetorical question.[/quote]

I think the way things are going we are getting closer to the day that someone will run on a platform of cutting more spending but probably not worded as you have put it.

CRedskinsRule 07-02-2010 05:31 PM

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I wonder if Arnold ran on a platform of reducing state employees to minimum wage.

If the situation gets dire enough politicians will have to cut these programs, but of course it would be better to cut them before the need was that dire.

firstdown 07-02-2010 05:36 PM

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I think thing are pretty much that dire now.

[url=http://www.usdebtclock.org/]U.S. National Debt Clock : Real Time[/url]


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