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hooskins 01-26-2011 10:06 AM

State of the Union Speech
 
Don't know if you all caught this, but I was watching bits of it. To me it's a bit sad that shooting is what was needed to bring these politicians off each others throats and proceed respectfully, but apparently it is.

Really wasn't too much substance there, which keeps in line with some of the State of the Union speeches Bush gave. Also it was obvious he focused on bipartisan issues that everyone would support in principal. Let's see if they can walk the walk.

Finally I am disappointed gun control wasn't brought up. Although it is sad Gifford's shooting is what has spurred more civility between parties, I don't know why the President didn't push gun control. Unfortunately in a few weeks this story will be forgotten and getting real change will be difficult. To me it really doesn't make sense.

hooskins 01-26-2011 10:08 AM

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Additionally I am interesting in seeing the White House's budget plan. I don't know how a spending freeze, investment in education, etc. is all going to work out on the books.

SmootSmack 01-26-2011 10:25 AM

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He supposedly decided that gun control should be a stand alone topic, and he will be addressing it in a separate speech shortly. I heard it from CNN, MSNBC, or Fox. Honestly, don't remember right now

CRedskinsRule 01-26-2011 10:29 AM

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He is a good speaker, but in the end it is just showboating and making political points (as was most of Bush's State of the Union addresses). What counts is whether or not he, the Republicans, and Democrats, can all work together to get it right. I am very interested in seeing the proposal he mentioned on consolidating and re-organizing government. I would guess that will get a lot bipartisan hate.

hooskins 01-26-2011 10:33 AM

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You could sense the collective heart beat of Congress skyrocketed when he mentioned reorganizing government. They start thinking about all the people who they have hooked up, their team, their future positions, etc. Effing politicians.

saden1 01-26-2011 12:49 PM

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Same recycled material, pointless speech.

redsk1 01-26-2011 01:01 PM

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Yea, unfortunately there's never much substance. I'm just really disappointed in our government in general. Everyone has an agenda an virtually all members vote along their party lines. How about our leaders standing up for their own opinions vs always siding with their own party? How about a little out of the box thinking?

saden1 01-26-2011 01:40 PM

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[quote=redsk1;780570]Yea, unfortunately there's never much substance. I'm just really disappointed in our government in general. Everyone has an agenda an virtually all members vote along their party lines. How about our leaders standing up for their own opinions vs always siding with their own party? How about a little out of the box thinking?[/quote]

Money talks, bullshit walks. How about public financing of elections?


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mlmpetert 01-26-2011 01:57 PM

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I wasnt able to watch, Mean Girls 2 was on so excellent cable programming won. It definitely doesnt stack up to the original and the chicks wernt nearly as hot and wouldnt be worth watching again in my opinion.

I heard a lot about the idea of repubs and dems sitting next to each other, did that end up happening? At first i thought that it was a great idea and might promote bipartisanship. Then i heard part of the reason they sit apart is because then both parties can make absolutely clear what they agree with and not (by applauding and standing up and stuff), which allows viewers to decide which of the major parties they side with most. Im kind of against just having 2 parties so i still think the idea of sitting all jumbled up is better; better to vote for the individual that you side with rather then party that is made up of more popular ideas while ignoring less sellable stuff, in my mind.

I dont want to hijack or anything and i would like to see what Obama has to say about gun control but at this point i dont think there is anything that can be done right now. This is a great read on why we are where we are, a quick history of Glock, and why things dont seem like theyre gonna change anytime soon:

[url=http://www.businessweek.com/magazine/content/11_04/b4212052185280.htm]Glock: America's Gun - BusinessWeek[/url]

Hog1 01-26-2011 02:07 PM

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[quote=mlmpetert;780585]I wasnt able to watch, Mean Girls 2 was on so excellent cable programming won. It definitely doesnt stack up to the original and the chicks wernt nearly as hot and wouldnt be worth watching again in my opinion.

I heard a lot about the idea of repubs and dems sitting next to each other, did that end up happening? At first i thought that it was a great idea and might promote bipartisanship. Then i heard part of the reason they sit apart is because then both parties can make absolutely clear what they agree with and not (by applauding and standing up and stuff), which allows viewers to decide which of the major parties they side with most. Im kind of against just having 2 parties so i still think the idea of sitting all jumbled up is better; better to vote for the individual that you side with rather then party that is made up of more popular ideas while ignoring less sellable stuff, in my mind.

I dont want to hijack or anything and i would like to see what Obama has to say about gun control but at this point i dont think there is anything that can be done right now. This is a great read on why we are where we are, a quick history of Glock, and why things dont seem like theyre gonna change anytime soon:

[URL="http://www.businessweek.com/magazine/content/11_04/b4212052185280.htm"]Glock: America's Gun - BusinessWeek[/URL][/quote]

America's Gun?
Soo...that means all the Cowboys are packin'......America's gun?

mlmpetert 01-26-2011 02:31 PM

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[quote=Hog1;780586]America's Gun?
Soo...that means all the Cowboys are packin'......America's gun?[/quote]

American's Gun in how it was instrumental in changing our laws.

firstdown 01-26-2011 05:42 PM

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I saw some but switched to Tosh.o which was on about the same level. For the people who think gun control will actually work please explain this. We have had a war on drugs for how many years and if I wanted drugs I could find them anytime and about anywhere. With that in mind how would making guns illegal or certain guns illegal stop anything?

JPPT1974 01-26-2011 11:34 PM

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Notice that some of the AZ rampage victims made it there. And sat up in the box with the First Lady. Really wouldn't be doing that, after all that happened. And lives ruined and all of that, maybe in a year. But nearly three weeks, no! But then again, you don't say no to the President of the USA!

hooskins 01-27-2011 10:41 AM

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First, look at it this way: Mexico has a huge drug and violence problem, which is internal. However they can't buy any guns in Mexico because guns are almost not available. They get almost all their guns from the US because they are ridiculously easy to buy here.

If we have very strict guns laws, especially on certain types of weapons,ammo, etc., then where are people(domestic and international) going to get their guns to commit crimes? In my opinion, criminals with weapons that cannot kill at the rate of certain guns leads to a safer society(I know this is hugely debatable for some people).

This would be very difficult because the gun lobby has a huge stranglehold on Congress. What I really do not like is the same people who say the Founding Father's were all Christian and that our government was created with Cristian foundations/values(interpret the context of our Constitution's creation very literally and apply it in that fashion) are the same folks who ignore the 2nd Amendment was created when weapons were muskets and swords; automatic weapons and rounds of ammo were not even conceivable. If you want to interpret literally, let's be consistent here.

Mattyk 01-27-2011 10:57 AM

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I really don't see a reason for automatic weapons to be on the streets. You should have to jump through hoops to buy a gun, you shouldn't be able to waltz into your local Wal-Mart or go to a gun show and walk away fully loaded - often without even showing an ID.

This country sure loves it's guns. No big surprise we're such a violent society as well.


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