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GMScud 04-25-2011 06:21 PM

Judge grants motion, lifts lockout; owners' appeal coming
 
In an effort not to bury today's big news, I'm closing the current CBA thread and starting a new one, with Judge Nelson's decision today as the jump off.

[url=http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=6424084]Judge rules for NFL players, lifts owners' lockout - ESPN[/url]

NC_Skins 04-25-2011 06:24 PM

Re: Judge grants motion, lifts lockout; owners' appeal coming
 
Guys, you have the next 5 mins to submit all your trades, signing, cuts before we make the appeal...GO GO GO!



*reposted from closed thread*

BigHairedAristocrat 04-25-2011 06:50 PM

Re: Judge grants motion, lifts lockout; owners' appeal coming
 
Unless the court of appeals issues a verdict immediately, free agency starts now.

Swarley 04-25-2011 07:07 PM

Re: Judge grants motion, lifts lockout; owners' appeal coming
 
from what all these legal analysts are saying, this means nothing in terms of what is allowed right now since there aren't any rules to go by. Then again they also sound pretty confused themselves.

Mattyk 04-25-2011 07:08 PM

Re: Judge grants motion, lifts lockout; owners' appeal coming
 
Yeah safe to say, free agency is not starting now.

BigHairedAristocrat 04-25-2011 07:11 PM

Re: Judge grants motion, lifts lockout; owners' appeal coming
 
If there's no rules to go by then nothing stops teams from signing free agents, other tha. Waiting for permission from the league to do so... However if they wait for permission the players will file an antitrust suit since the league can't impose any kind of rules over the teams and players without a unionized force.

musicmaster45 04-25-2011 07:13 PM

Re: Judge grants motion, lifts lockout; owners' appeal coming
 
Either San Fransisco or Arizona will try for Kolb. I think quarterbacks will be the only significant movement

Lotus 04-25-2011 07:33 PM

Re: Judge grants motion, lifts lockout; owners' appeal coming
 
If the Circuit Court grants a stay right away, there will be no player movement right now.

Also, before there can be player movement, the 32 teams have to agree on ground rules. One would think that they had planned for this contingency (such as agreeing to reinstate last year's rules) but right now that does not seem to be the case.

Anyhow, in courtroom football the players win the first game. If we want a quick end to this fiasco, let's hope that they stay undefeated.

BigHairedAristocrat 04-25-2011 07:43 PM

Re: Judge grants motion, lifts lockout; owners' appeal coming
 
Its my understanding that The teams can't agree on rules without violating antitrust laws. The judge ruled that the decertification of the union was legit; therefore 32 teams can't impose uniform rules on a non-unionized workforce.

Personally I'm hoping the circuit court grants a stay and the NFL wins an appeal. The players have too much power an the owners have none. The union can strike but the NFL can't lockout. It's not fair. This situation is just going to force the owners to make another bad deal.

Lotus 04-25-2011 08:00 PM

Re: Judge grants motion, lifts lockout; owners' appeal coming
 
[quote=BigHairedAristocrat;795327]Its my understanding that The teams can't agree on rules without violating antitrust laws. The judge ruled that the decertification of the union was legit; therefore 32 teams can't impose uniform rules on a non-unionized workforce.

Personally I'm hoping the circuit court grants a stay and the NFL wins an appeal. The players have too much power an the owners have none. The union can strike but the NFL can't lockout. It's not fair. This situation is just going to force the owners to make another bad deal.[/quote]

In an extreme, Jeff Kessler interpretation, you are correct about antitrust laws. But teams are operating as if such extreme interpretations will not win the day. Example: the draft, which involves teams agreeing upon uniform rules.

BigHairedAristocrat 04-25-2011 08:14 PM

Re: Judge grants motion, lifts lockout; owners' appeal coming
 
Well the 2011 draft was agreed upon as part of the last CBA.

Swarley 04-25-2011 08:19 PM

Re: Judge grants motion, lifts lockout; owners' appeal coming
 
[URL="http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2011/04/25/ryan-clark-to-steelers-show-up-for-work-tomorrow-at-800-a-m/"]Ryan Clark to Steelers: Show up for work tomorrow at 8:00 a.m.[/URL]

this is gonna get wacky!

edit:

Forgot to post this first

[url=http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2011/04/25/nfl-wont-start-league-year-without-chance-to-seek-a-stay/]NFL won’t start league year without chance to seek a stay | ProFootballTalk[/url]

[QUOTE=PFT] “We do not intend to start the league year until we have had an opportunity to seek a stay,” NFL spokesman Greg Aiello tells PFT via e-mail.

In other words, if they show up, they’re not getting in.

It seems like a reasonable position. But it’s a calculated risk. The lockout is, until further notice, over. Any team that fails to honor that order could be in trouble.[/QUOTE]

skinsfaninok 04-25-2011 08:19 PM

Re: Judge grants motion, lifts lockout; owners' appeal coming
 
Yes!!

skinsfaninok 04-25-2011 08:30 PM

Re: Judge grants motion, lifts lockout; owners' appeal coming
 
[url=http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2011/04/25/deangelo-hall-talks-lockout-reflects-on-making-1m-a-game-calls-cutler-a-clown/]DeAngelo Hall talks lockout, reflects on making $1M a game, calls Cutler a clown | ProFootballTalk[/url]

Dirtbag59 04-25-2011 08:57 PM

Re: Judge grants motion, lifts lockout; owners' appeal coming
 
Okay well now I'm not sure if I was right or not about what happens after the judge lifts the lockout. On one hand I got the obvious part right in that the NFL would appeal. However I wonder if what I was told (mini-camps and free agency in June at the earliest assuming the NFL looses on appeal) will hold up.

At the very least it looks like existing players will be allowed to use the facilities again to workout and train.


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