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Redskin Warrior 05-03-2011 11:06 PM

The Mike Shanaplan
 
I thought this was a great article and brought great insight into the organization. The Bleacher Report usually sucks to me but Tom Natail did a good job on this one.

[URL="http://bleacherreport.com/articles/689977-the-mike-shanaplan"]http://bleacherreport.com/articles/689977-the-mike-shanaplan[/URL]

Hog1 05-03-2011 11:17 PM

Re: The Mike Shanaplan
 
Good Article.......I could not agree more. They did what they needed to do to start putting the necessary pieces in place for a francise QB....which I am sure they will go after next draft!
HTTR

Big C 05-03-2011 11:31 PM

Re: The Mike Shanaplan
 
[QUOTE]this could potentially be one of the worst teams ever assembled in Washington.[/QUOTE]

not quite sure about that...

30gut 05-03-2011 11:38 PM

Re: The Mike Shanaplan
 
Lets wait and see what happens at the QB position and via FA before we start calling this a re-build because imo a rebuild doesn't begin by giving up draft picks to trade for aging short term starters like McNabb and Jamaal Brown.

The Burgundy and Gold are part of the Mike Shanahan plan, and its the same plan Mike Shanahan has always had he's trying to win.

Its more re-tool/re-fit then re-build.

And you know what? It just might work because imo he's that good of coach.

Mattyk 05-03-2011 11:40 PM

Re: The Mike Shanaplan
 
Decent read, agree with most of it but I don't see the team taking a big step backwards this year. Let's see how the roster looks after free agency before we consider this a throw away season.

Ruhskins 05-03-2011 11:41 PM

Re: The Mike Shanaplan
 
[quote=Big C;800966]not quite sure about that...[/quote]

I think last year we had a terrible team. Wrong personnel for a new 3-4 defense, big holes in our interior offensive line, a QB more suited for a playoff-ready team (and a bit washed up), a young and inexperienced RB group sans Portis, and really not much of a receiving group. Throw on top of that the head coach and a $100 million dollar turd having a d*ck swinging contest, the whole McNabb benching fiasco (signaling the failure of the McNabb trade), and a head coach that had a slight "let's see if we can win now attitude".

For 2011-12 I think we're going to have a young team with hard-working/good character players that are rebuilding. I see a coach and a front office that are building through the draft, trying to establish discipline and leadership (which I hope this means that they will get rid of Haynesworth and stop the circus atmosphere behind that issue). And who are building the team from the ground up. As I said before, I wish this type of rebuilding would have occurred last year, but I am glad this is happening now.

On a related note, a good article by Chris Russell on Shanahan's plan:

[url=http://redskins.espn980.com/bloggers/chris-russell/item/59-did-shanahan-give-it-away]"Did Shanahan give it away?"[/url]

FRPLG 05-03-2011 11:58 PM

Re: The Mike Shanaplan
 
An honest assessment would probably make one wonder how the hell we even won 6 games last year. Our o-line was generally poor to below average. We had a QB who didn't know the system well enough to execute it. We only had moderate success in running the ball. Lastly, our WRs were one borderline starter and a bunch of castoffs. And the offense was the GOOD part of the team.

I doubt we win 6 games this year absent some major FA mojo but in the end we added a significant infusion of youth and hopefully a useful amount of talent for the long haul. If you can cme out of a draft with 4 starters (eventually) you're getting the job done. I think it is hard to see less than 4 legit starters out of this draft even if none of them is major stud.

This team may suck but perhaps for once we're sitting at the bottom of the mountain ready to make the hike up rather than barreling down the other side with old and/or overrated/misfit players.

mredskins 05-04-2011 08:29 AM

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[quote=FRPLG;800971]An honest assessment would probably make one wonder how the hell we even won 6 games last year. Our o-line was generally poor to below average. We had a QB who didn't know the system well enough to execute it. We only had moderate success in running the ball. Lastly, our WRs were one borderline starter and a bunch of castoffs. And the offense was the GOOD part of the team.

I doubt we win 6 games this year absent some major FA mojo but in the end we added a significant infusion of youth and hopefully a useful amount of talent for the long haul. If you can cme out of a draft with 4 starters (eventually) you're getting the job done. I think it is hard to see less than 4 legit starters out of this draft even if none of them is major stud.

[B]This team may suck but perhaps for once we're sitting at the bottom of the mountain ready to make the hike up rather than barreling down the other side with old and/or overrated/misfit players[/B].[/quote]

Nice analogy! I agree with your post. A lot of folks in this thread are in a bit of denial, be honest this season is going to suck for the Washington Redskins. There is not enough quality FA out there to suddenly make this a winning team.

IMO, it looks like the skins are trying to build a solid team then place then place that franchise QB into the mix much like BAL, NYJ, ATL, etc...

Redskin Warrior 05-04-2011 08:55 AM

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[quote=mredskins;801001]Nice analogy! I agree with your post. A lot of folks in this thread are in a bit of denial, be honest this season is going to suck for the Washington Redskins. There is not enough quality FA out there to suddenly make this a winning team.

IMO, it looks like the skins are trying to build a solid team then place then place that franchise QB into the mix much like BAL, NYJ, ATL, etc...[/quote]

That is exactly how I feel as well. I felt we should have kept J.C. that last year and start this process then. It will take about 2-3 years before we become true contenders question is will Danny Boy be willing to wait that long?

Longtimefan 05-04-2011 09:07 AM

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It's not my intention to critique the writers analysis because he does present some udeniable findings. However, to say on the one hand; [quote] Even though itís going to be a hard season to watch with either Rex Grossman or the unproven John Beck at quarterback, there needs to be a solid foundation set before the team decides to pencil in a young quarterback, and I believe they are taking the cautious steps in doing so. [unquote]

Opinions vary but, I do believe having a solid foundation already in place for a young QB can only serve to speed his development while not having it contribute to what many are saying doomed John Beck in Miami.

On the other hand the writer went on to say [quote] This is the make-or-break year for Mike Shanahan and his coaching staff, if they show progress, then heís a genius; if he doesnít, he will be another disappointment to surface in the Nationís Capital. [unquote]

I don't believe this year will be make-or-break for Shanahan simply because of the facts presented above. What we've just witnessed throughout the course of the draft is the beginning of the building of that foundation. There has to be a starting point and I think most will agree this could very well be it.

Schneed10 05-04-2011 09:19 AM

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I found this article to be a little weak actually. I think it states the obvious - at least what's obvious to the intelligent football fan: building through the draft is the smart move.

And saying that we're likely to take a step back doesn't make much sense to me. Consider:

- It will be hard to get QB play much worse that what we had last year. McNabb was awful, look at the numbers. When we put Grossman in we had a great deal more production per game. We also had a lot of turnovers, but McNabb wasn't great in that regard either.

- We haven't even gone through the free agency period yet. There are still plenty of impact players available. It seems silly to assume we're building through the draft now and thus precluding ourselves from building through free agency as well. In the end, the idea is to get Shanahan/Haslett type players, any way you can.

- The offensive line has not been upgraded personnel-wise (yet), but should get better regardless. Trent Williams is likely to grow in his second season and Jamaal Brown is likely to get healthier.

- Last year our only effective runner was Ryan Torain. But as we all know a team must have more than one effective runner (especially considering Torain is hurt so often). The rookies will make an immediate impact in the running game.

- Having a second capable saftety in Atogwe will make a big difference. And having a second pass rush threat will make a big difference.

I think our offense will get very aggressive. We'll be putting up crazy yards, and probably turning it over a lot. I don't think we'll make the playoffs but there's so many sources of potential improvement for the 'Skins.

redsk1 05-04-2011 09:27 AM

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It's going to be another tough year. Are we going to be worse than last? I don't know. It's difficult to say right now. It's a possibility though. Sometimes you've got to take a step back in order to improve.

Duffman003 05-04-2011 09:31 AM

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Why do so many people think our team will be awful next year? We have pretty much the same team, except improved on defense. We will probably have another 6-10ish year, unless whoever plays quarterback somehow plays worse or better than donovan grossman

skinsfaninok 05-04-2011 09:34 AM

Re: The Mike Shanaplan
 
[quote=Mattyk;800968]Decent read, agree with most of it but I don't see the team taking a big step backwards this year. Let's see how the roster looks after free agency before we consider this a throw away season.[/quote]

You know, you would think people would UNDERSTAND that but obviously not! I mean come on folks FA hasn't even started yet. :benched:

Lets see what they say when we have 2 new OL, another QB and possibly another WR.

Big C 05-04-2011 09:35 AM

Re: The Mike Shanaplan
 
[quote=Schneed10;801006]I found this article to be a little weak actually. I think it states the obvious - at least what's obvious to the intelligent football fan: building through the draft is the smart move.

And saying that we're likely to take a step back doesn't make much sense to me. Consider:

- It will be hard to get QB play much worse that what we had last year. McNabb was awful, look at the numbers. When we put Grossman in we had a great deal more production per game. We also had a lot of turnovers, but McNabb wasn't great in that regard either.

- We haven't even gone through the free agency period yet. There are still plenty of impact players available. It seems silly to assume we're building through the draft now and thus precluding ourselves from building through free agency as well. In the end, the idea is to get Shanahan/Haslett type players, any way you can.

- The offensive line has not been upgraded personnel-wise (yet), but should get better regardless. Trent Williams is likely to grow in his second season and Jamaal Brown is likely to get healthier.

- Last year our only effective runner was Ryan Torain. But as we all know a team must have more than one effective runner (especially considering Torain is hurt so often). The rookies will make an immediate impact in the running game.

- Having a second capable saftety in Atogwe will make a big difference. And having a second pass rush threat will make a big difference.

I think our offense will get very aggressive. We'll be putting up crazy yards, and probably turning it over a lot. I don't think we'll make the playoffs but there's so many sources of potential improvement for the 'Skins.[/quote]

agree completely. not to mention its everyone's second year in the offense as well, second year in the 3-4, etc. as long as we re-sign santana moss, i dont really see why we would be worse than last year. we havent lost anyone, yet, aside from mcnabb and haynesworth which are certain, and have added a good free safety in atogwe and had a good draft.


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