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saden1 05-25-2011 10:44 AM

Medicare Scare 2.0
 
Seems like everyone is out to scare seniors to win elections. It's kinda funny and tragic but mostly tragic. What's really interesting to me is the short term memory the GOP. What were their talkingpoints the last couple of years to attack Obamacare? They are stealing 500 billion from Medicare...ACA will kill grandma...they are gutting Medicare...death panels!

[url=http://blogs.wsj.com/washwire/2011/05/25/ryan-mediscare-campaign-cost-gop-the-ny-26-race/]Ryan: ‘Mediscare’ Campaign Cost GOP the NY-26 Race - Washington Wire - WSJ[/url]

over the mountain 05-25-2011 04:13 PM

Re: Medicare Scare 2.0
 
Death panels!!!

Mattyk 05-25-2011 08:02 PM

Re: Medicare Scare 2.0
 
Right, because nobody ever beats the odds.

Brilliant.

saden1 05-25-2011 08:20 PM

Re: Medicare Scare 2.0
 
[quote=Mattyk;804509]Right, because nobody ever beats the odds.

Brilliant.[/quote]

I think what FD is trying to say is if they have stage 4 cancer and are surly going to die we shouldn't pay 100k to treat them. Too many old people simply want to hang on by a thread...what happened to dieing with grace and dignity?

Mattyk 05-25-2011 08:46 PM

Re: Medicare Scare 2.0
 
Is there an epidemic when it comes to end of life cancer patients having major surgeries unrelated to their cancer? Those that sick typically can't endure a major operation. Or are you saying stage 4 patients shouldn't be treated at all? Stage 4 isn't always a death sentence.

Regardless I think people should make that choice themselves. I find it odd FD wants big brother making life and death decisions.

Schneed10 05-25-2011 09:44 PM

Re: Medicare Scare 2.0
 
Who cares about death panels. The bigger problem is Medicare will run out of money sometime in the 2020s, even with Obamacare which is projected to improve the situation.

Changes have to be made, the status quo is entirely unsustainable. Just because projections for what will happen 10-20 years from now seems so far away doesn't mean it won't happen. Sounding that particular alarm is not a scare tactic, it's a reality check.

We have to raise the MC eligibilty age, invest funds more wisely, and expose the patient to more out of pocket cost for every health care service utilized. It's the only way to balance it, without increasing taxes significantly.

Slingin Sammy 33 05-26-2011 08:15 AM

Re: Medicare Scare 2.0
 
[quote=Mattyk;804520]I find it odd FD wants big brother making life and death decisions.[/quote]Ditto.

One of the major points against a single payer, gov't run health system is so that there aren't "death panels" (or basically a small group of people who decide what types of treatments get funded/not funded by the only health insurer in town). With private insurance you have options, if a company has a bad reputation or doesn't provide the coverage desired, move to the next option (yes, I know health care choice are more limited than going from store-to-store in the mall).

SmootSmack 05-26-2011 08:23 AM

Re: Medicare Scare 2.0
 
Pretty cool behind the scenes exchange

[url=http://blogs.abcnews.com/thenote/2011/05/bill-clinton-to-paul-ryan-on-medicare-election-give-me-a-call-.html]Bill Clinton to Paul Ryan on Medicare Election: ‘Give me a Call’ - The Note[/url]

Mattyk 05-26-2011 09:36 AM

Re: Medicare Scare 2.0
 
I know insurance. Still not the same as death panels.

saden1 05-26-2011 10:25 AM

Re: Medicare Scare 2.0
 
[quote=SmootSmack;804586]Pretty cool behind the scenes exchange

[url=http://blogs.abcnews.com/thenote/2011/05/bill-clinton-to-paul-ryan-on-medicare-election-give-me-a-call-.html]Bill Clinton to Paul Ryan on Medicare Election: ‘Give me a Call’ - The Note[/url][/quote]

Very interesting video...politics is dirty game.


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