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GMScud 06-07-2011 04:24 PM

Plaxico out of jail; on the radar of two teams according to Rosenhaus
 
Good football topics have been tough sledding lately. So I guess here's something to talk about:

We all know Burress got out of prison yesterday. So according to Drew Rosenhaus, two teams have stayed in contact with him about Plaxico's availability once he was released. I know Vick wants him and he'd make sense for the Eagles....

So what about the Redskins? Well, John Clayton was just on NFL Live, and his top 4 as far as likelihood to sign Burress were: 1) Eagles 2) Redskins 3) Rams 4) Jets. Interesting.

Are the Redskins one of the two teams supposedly interested? Do you think we should sign Plax?

I think we are in fact one of the two teams, but I'm not so sure about signing him.

[URL="http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=5859464&campaign=rss&source=NFLHeadlines"]Plaxico Burress on radar for 2 teams, agent Drew Rosenhaus says - ESPN[/URL]

Ruhskins 06-07-2011 04:31 PM

Re: Plaxico out of jail; on the radar of two teams according to Rosenhaus
 
IF there is a CBA agreement with RFA rules similar to those before 2010, you will have the following WRs as unrestricted FAs:

- Sidney Rice
- Santonio Holmes
- Steve Smith (NYG)
- Braylon Edwards

With these guys available, I there won't be much of a market for Plax.

mlmpetert 06-07-2011 04:31 PM

Re: Plaxico out of jail; on the radar of two teams according to Rosenhaus
 
Will a 34 year old reciever that just got out of jail be able to contribute at all? I dont see a problem having him here for camp to see if he can do anything still, but i dont think there will be camp. I would much rather give a roster spot to one of the many young guys we got or bring back Marko Mitchell.

I mean once the season start his career is done right? I dont see him making it with anyone

Slingin Sammy 33 06-07-2011 04:35 PM

Re: Plaxico out of jail; on the radar of two teams according to Rosenhaus
 
He'll have maybe one or two more effective seasons (not Pro Bowl, but solid numbers), just not in DC. Doesn't fit with us, we're unstable at QB, he'd be unhappy and then the fun would begin.

NLC1054 06-07-2011 04:41 PM

Re: Plaxico out of jail; on the radar of two teams according to Rosenhaus
 
The only reason Plaxico Burress is linked with the Redskins is because we're the Redskins and apparently we'll sign and overpay every veteran ever.

GMScud 06-07-2011 04:41 PM

Re: Plaxico out of jail; on the radar of two teams according to Rosenhaus
 
[quote=Ruhskins;806216]IF there is a CBA agreement with RFA rules similar to those before 2010, you will have the following WRs as unrestricted FAs:

- Sidney Rice
- Santonio Holmes
- Steve Smith (NYG)
- Braylon Edwards

With these guys available, I there won't be much of a market for Plax.[/quote]

I'd be stunned if the Jets don't give Holmes a bunch of money, same with the Giants and Steve Smith. I like Sidney Rice A LOT, but I think someone is going to really overpay him, and I hope it's not us. Braylon Edwards is garbage.

GMScud 06-07-2011 04:47 PM

Re: Plaxico out of jail; on the radar of two teams according to Rosenhaus
 
[quote=NLC1054;806222]The only reason Plaxico Burress is linked with the Redskins is because we're the Redskins and apparently we'll sign and overpay every veteran ever.[/quote]

I disagree. I mean, I know we've overpaid for vets plenty of times, but I think we're linked to him because we had one of, if not the worst WR corps over the past few seasons, and one of the biggest pieces missing from that is a big, possession receiver who can be a legit red zone threat.

Can Plaxico ever be those things again? Possibly. 2 years in prison will change a man. Maybe he comes out a man possessed and looks great for a few years. I wouldn't hate it if we gave him a shot (no pun intended), but I'm not sure. If we do sign him, I hope we don't assume he's going to solve problems for us in the receiving game.

mlmdub130 06-07-2011 05:01 PM

Re: Plaxico out of jail; on the radar of two teams according to Rosenhaus
 
[quote=GMScud;806227]I disagree. I mean, I know we've overpaid for vets plenty of times, but I think we're linked to him because we had one of, if not the worst WR corps over the past few seasons, [B]and one of the biggest pieces missing from that is a big, possession receiver who can be a legit red zone threat.[/B]
Can Plaxico ever be those things again? Possibly. 2 years in prison will change a man. Maybe he comes out a man possessed and looks great for a few years. I wouldn't hate it if we gave him a shot (no pun intended), but I'm not sure. If we do sign him, I hope we don't assume he's going to solve problems for us in the receiving game.[/quote]

hopefully hankerson can contribute in that department as well. as for plax it is very tempting, very, but the way i see it is he can only really contribute another 3 years at best so he is just another stop gap....but if we can get him dirt cheap and kick the tires i why not, the guy is a physical freak.

GMScud 06-07-2011 05:05 PM

Re: Plaxico out of jail; on the radar of two teams according to Rosenhaus
 
[quote=mlmdub130;806233]hopefully hankerson can contribute in that department as well. as for plax it is very tempting, very, but the way i see it is he can only really contribute another 3 years at best so he is just another stop gap....but if we can get him dirt cheap and kick the tires i why not, [B]the guy is a physical freak[/B].[/quote]

Yeah that's the real reason it's tempting. Hankerson is 6-2 210, but Plax is 6-5 and his playing weight is around 235lbs.

I don't think character will be an issue with Plax moving forward. I guess for me it's all about the money.

NLC1054 06-07-2011 05:15 PM

Re: Plaxico out of jail; on the radar of two teams according to Rosenhaus
 
I don't get why people would want to sign Plaxico Burress after two years away, but think Santana Moss should walk.

Not saying anyone specifically, but in places I frequent, that seems to be the sentiment. Washington has an obsession with tall receivers...

MTK 06-07-2011 05:27 PM

Re: Plaxico out of jail; on the radar of two teams according to Rosenhaus
 
[quote=NLC1054;806239]I don't get why people would want to sign Plaxico Burress after two years away, but think Santana Moss should walk.

Not saying anyone specifically, but in places I frequent, that seems to be the sentiment. Washington has an obsession with tall receivers...[/quote]

Makes no sense.

Re-sign Moss and stay away from a guy who's 34 and hasn't played ball in 2 years.

GMScud 06-07-2011 05:27 PM

Re: Plaxico out of jail; on the radar of two teams according to Rosenhaus
 
[quote=NLC1054;806239]I don't get why people would want to sign Plaxico Burress after two years away, but think Santana Moss should walk.

Not saying anyone specifically, but in places I frequent, that seems to be the sentiment. [B]Washington has an obsession with tall receivers[/B]...[/quote]

The fans maybe, but certainly not the team. We never have productive tall receivers.

Defensewins 06-07-2011 05:29 PM

Re: Plaxico out of jail; on the radar of two teams according to Rosenhaus
 
It is not in Mike Shanahan's history to sign expensive big name FA WR's. So I would say we will not be interested. Shanahan's history is finding diamond in the rough WR's and RB's, not big name,

mlmdub130 06-07-2011 05:40 PM

Re: Plaxico out of jail; on the radar of two teams according to Rosenhaus
 
[quote=GMScud;806237]Yeah that's the real reason it's tempting. Hankerson is 6-2 210, but Plax is 6-5 and his playing weight is around 235lbs.

I don't think character will be an issue with Plax moving forward. I guess for me it's all about the money.[/quote]

pretty much, and the nice thing is knowing burce allen is in charge of the finances, i'm not as worried we will pull the quick trigger. it will be interesting to watch it unfold whe the lockout is over. damn you lockout, damn you

SmootSmack 06-07-2011 05:53 PM

Re: Plaxico out of jail; on the radar of two teams according to Rosenhaus
 
I'm not sure how legitimate it is that there are two teams genuinely interested in Plax. But Rosenhaus has to say two so any team thinks they're competing with at least one other.

I don't know, but I don't think he's really on our radar. I think it's the Eagles or Rams, with the Ravens a distant possibility

NLC1054 06-07-2011 05:54 PM

Re: Plaxico out of jail; on the radar of two teams according to Rosenhaus
 
[quote=GMScud;806244]The fans maybe, but certainly not the team. We never have productive tall receivers.[/quote]

Yeah that's what I meant.

Funny thing is, Vinny finally gave them what they wanted and drafted two of the tallest receivers in the 2008 draft, and neither of them have turned into anything.

Talk about a case of "be careful what you wish for"...

Alvin Walton 06-07-2011 06:55 PM

Re: Plaxico out of jail; on the radar of two teams according to Rosenhaus
 
Just sign Moss FFS and forget this Plastic Birdtits nonsense.

Lotus 06-08-2011 10:37 AM

Re: Plaxico out of jail; on the radar of two teams according to Rosenhaus
 
[quote=mlmdub130;806233]hopefully hankerson can contribute in that department as well. as for plax it is very tempting, very, but the way i see it is he can only really contribute another 3 years at best so he is just another stop gap....[B]but if we can get him dirt cheap and kick the tires i why not, the guy is a physical freak.[/B][/quote]

So you think that we should give Plax a shot? You think he'll give us a leg up? Or will he be a loose cannon?

MTK 06-08-2011 11:00 AM

Re: Plaxico out of jail; on the radar of two teams according to Rosenhaus
 
[url=http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2011/writers/don_banks/06/07/Burress/index.html]Plaxico Burress won't be NFL's next Michael Vick - Don Banks - SI.com[/url]

Monkeydad 06-08-2011 11:56 AM

Re: Plaxico out of jail; on the radar of two teams according to Rosenhaus
 
[quote=firstdown;806226]Do we even need any more WR's?[/quote]

No. Unless we're keeping 8 we do not need to add any more to the potential roster.

If we re-sign Moss, we're set not only for this year, but looking great for the future if a couple of the draft picks can work out for us.

My picks for making the team:
S. Moss
A. Armstrong
L. Hankerson
T. Austin
B. Banks
N. Paul [I]or[/I] A. Robinson [I]with the other one going to PS[/I]

Not on roster Opening Day:
M. Kelly
T. Johnson
R. Williams
M. Price

freddyg12 06-08-2011 01:03 PM

Re: Plaxico out of jail; on the radar of two teams according to Rosenhaus
 
I like it that there's some competition at WR & Kelly is such an x factor. I don't think Plax is at all right for this team.

SirClintonPortis 06-09-2011 12:53 AM

Re: Plaxico out of jail; on the radar of two teams according to Rosenhaus
 
After the trend in the draft picks this season, questionable guys like Plaxico are a longshot to coming here. Plus, we have a ton of guys already trying to compete for a spot at WR.

hooskins 06-09-2011 12:58 AM

[QUOTE=GMScud;806212]Good football topics have been tough sledding lately. So I guess here's something to talk about:

We all know Burress got out of prison yesterday. So according to Drew Rosenhaus, two teams have stayed in contact with him about Plaxico's availability once he was released. I know Vick wants him and he'd make sense for the Eagles....

So what about the Redskins? Well, John Clayton was just on NFL Live, and his top 4 as far as likelihood to sign Burress were: 1) Eagles 2) Redskins 3) Rams 4) Jets. Interesting.

Are the Redskins one of the two teams supposedly interested? Do you think we should sign Plax?

I think we are in fact one of the two teams, but I'm not so sure about signing him.

[URL="http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=5859464&campaign=rss&source=NFLHeadlines"]Plaxico Burress on radar for 2 teams, agent Drew Rosenhaus says - ESPN[/URL][/QUOTE]

Ok I haven't been paying attention to details but why the Eagles? They have two solid WRs. Am I missing something.

SmootSmack 06-09-2011 01:00 AM

Re: Plaxico out of jail; on the radar of two teams according to Rosenhaus
 
[quote=hooskins;806501]Ok I haven't been paying attention to details but why the Eagles? They have two solid WRs. Am I missing something.[/quote]

Big redzone threat, several Eagles have publicly and not as publicly voiced support for him. And he would stay in the NFC East, which I really don't know how much that matters to Plax

Giantone 06-09-2011 02:42 AM

Re: Plaxico out of jail; on the radar of two teams according to Rosenhaus
 
IMHO.....I think it's a team in Fla...any team,it's home and he won't need to register his new gun in 2 states.

Dirtbag59 06-09-2011 02:44 AM

Re: Plaxico out of jail; on the radar of two teams according to Rosenhaus
 
If we're going to break the bank we'd be better off doing it with Jenkins, Franklin, and Joesph. And it seems that only two of them are going to be available.

freddyg12 06-09-2011 08:19 AM

Re: Plaxico out of jail; on the radar of two teams according to Rosenhaus
 
[quote=Dirtbag59;806507]If we're going to break the bank we'd be better off doing it with Jenkins, Franklin, and Joesph. [B]And it seems that only two of them are going to be available.[/B][/quote]

that being Jenkins & Franklin?

skinsfan69 06-09-2011 10:42 AM

Re: Plaxico out of jail; on the radar of two teams according to Rosenhaus
 
I have no idea why anyone would be interested in a 34 year old wr who hasn't played in two years and is a pain in the ass to deal with.

diehard 06-09-2011 11:32 AM

Re: Plaxico out of jail; on the radar of two teams according to Rosenhaus
 
Plax needs bullet-proof pocket proctectors.

SolidSnake84 06-09-2011 12:02 PM

Re: Plaxico out of jail; on the radar of two teams according to Rosenhaus
 
i will withold making any judgements about plax because i was proven wrong in 2009 when I said Vick would find some success, but would [B]never again be the player he was[/B]..

we are saying this stuff about Plax now, and everyone could be proven wrong especially if he comes out looking in shape and plays good for a guy who has missed 2 years...

Dirtbag59 06-09-2011 12:05 PM

Re: Plaxico out of jail; on the radar of two teams according to Rosenhaus
 
[quote=SolidSnake84;806555]i will withold making any judgements about plax because i was proven wrong in 2009 when I said Vick would find some success, but would [B]never again be the player he was[/B]..

we are saying this stuff about Plax now, and everyone could be proven wrong especially if he comes out looking in shape and plays good for a guy who has missed 2 years...[/quote]

The cost of signing Plax right now is taking playing time away from our young guys (Austin, Hankerson, Paul, Robinson, Banks, etc). For a team thats been to the playoffs thats no big deal. For a team thats trying to rebuild it's a huge cost and part of the reason we've stunk for the better part of the previous decade.

Ruhskins 06-09-2011 12:09 PM

Re: Plaxico out of jail; on the radar of two teams according to Rosenhaus
 
[quote=SolidSnake84;806555]i will withold making any judgements about plax because i was proven wrong in 2009 when I said Vick would find some success, but would [B]never again be the player he was[/B]..

we are saying this stuff about Plax now, and everyone could be proven wrong especially if he comes out looking in shape and plays good for a guy who has missed 2 years...[/quote]

I think the difference between Vick and Plax, is that Vick was 27 years old when he went to prison, whereas Plax was 31. No matter what, it will take Plax a year to get back to football shape (just like Vick), so that would put him at 35 years old when he can try to get back to his old self. I mean if he does pull it off, more power to him, I just see age as a factor in this situation.

SolidSnake84 06-09-2011 01:42 PM

Re: Plaxico out of jail; on the radar of two teams according to Rosenhaus
 
[quote=Ruhskins;806558]I think the difference between Vick and Plax, is that Vick was 27 years old when he went to prison, whereas Plax was 31. No matter what, it will take Plax a year to get back to football shape (just like Vick), so that would put him at 35 years old when he can try to get back to his old self. I mean if he does pull it off, more power to him, I just see age as a factor in this situation.[/quote]

You make good points and I do agree with you, but Plaxico could also go the route of Jerry Rice (i'm comparing their ages and not stats people) and play at a high level for many more years.

If we could get him for cheap, and he can fill a role as 3rd receiver or something, we would have a good guy for the next 3 to 4 years and he wouldnt take playing time away from the youngsters....

Lotus 06-09-2011 02:03 PM

Re: Plaxico out of jail; on the radar of two teams according to Rosenhaus
 
[quote=SolidSnake84;806567]You make good points and I do agree with you, but Plaxico could also go the route of Jerry Rice (i'm comparing their ages and not stats people) and play at a high level for many more years.

[B]If we could get him for cheap, and he can fill a role as 3rd receiver or something, we would have a good guy for the next 3 to 4 years and he wouldnt take playing time away from the youngsters....[/B][/quote]

I would argue that we need a veteran #1 WR to be productive and tutor the young ones. Then let the youngsters develop at #2, #3, etc. I don't think Plax really helps us even as a #3 WR.

SolidSnake84 06-09-2011 04:26 PM

Re: Plaxico out of jail; on the radar of two teams according to Rosenhaus
 
[quote=Lotus;806569]I would argue that we need a veteran #1 WR to be productive and tutor the young ones. Then let the youngsters develop at #2, #3, etc. I don't think Plax really helps us even as a #3 WR.[/quote]

Could Plaxico be that veteran #1 that you speak of??

Lotus 06-09-2011 05:05 PM

Re: Plaxico out of jail; on the radar of two teams according to Rosenhaus
 
[quote=SolidSnake84;806591]Could Plaxico be that veteran #1 that you speak of??[/quote]

No, not right out of the box. The dude will be rusty at best. You even argued for him as a #3. I was thinking more along the lines of Santana.

NLC1054 06-09-2011 05:08 PM

Re: Plaxico out of jail; on the radar of two teams according to Rosenhaus
 
The problem is, Plaxico is a headcase. A talented football player with all the skills and physical attributes, but shooting himself was only one of the many dumbass things the guy has done. He has a known history of being a headcase. Now maybe prison mellowed him out...but what if it didn't?

Why take a flyer on a guy who might not be back in shape until next season, when he'll be 36? Everyone says he should be cheap to sign, but what's the definition of cheap? Are you going to give a guy a two year deal and just hope it works out? What's the point?

Again, why people seem willing to let Santana walk, but want to "take a flyer" on Plaxico Burress, is frakking confusing.

SmootSmack 06-09-2011 06:52 PM

Re: Plaxico out of jail; on the radar of two teams according to Rosenhaus
 
I haven't been able to confirm this, but I'm pretty sure I heard that Plax was disciplined multiple times...while in prison. Not a good sign really


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