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Alvin Walton 06-08-2011 07:04 AM

Redskins D-coordinator talks frustration over Haynesworth
 
:Flush:

[COLOR="Blue"]“Then, it got to the point where he said, ‘I don’t want to play first- and second-down nickel. I just want to play third-down nickel.’ Oh my God, you’re relegating yourself to 10-15 snaps a game. Then after that he didn’t want to do the blitzes, he just wanted to rush.”[/COLOR]



[url=http://www.nfl.com/news/story/09000d5d82038c3c/article/redskins-dcoordinator-talks-frustration-over-haynesworth?module=HP_headlines]NFL.com news: Redskins D-coordinator talks frustration over Haynesworth[/url]

Ruhskins 06-08-2011 08:51 AM

Re: Redskins D-coordinator talks frustration over Haynesworth
 
I still don't get why the team insists on keeping this guy. Just get rid of him.

SBXVII 06-08-2011 09:20 AM

Re: Redskins D-coordinator talks frustration over Haynesworth
 
I'm usually the one of the fans who claim we need to get what ever we can from him, but since this years FA went to hell in a hand basket and we couldn't pick up a draft pick for him I'm kinda in the mood of just cutting him.

My only other option is to keep making him suffer if we are not paying him a ton of money and let him rot on the bench. Heck he doesn't want to play more then 10-15 plays a game lets just minimize it more and make him water boy. Maybe he can hand out the Gatorade to all the players who actually want to play when then come off the field. Then (my optimism is kicking in) if the team makes the SB or wins it the team can deactivate him so he won't get a ring.

NC_Skins 06-08-2011 09:34 AM

Re: Redskins D-coordinator talks frustration over Haynesworth
 
[quote=Ruhskins;806333]I still don't get why the team insists on keeping this guy. Just get rid of him.[/quote]

It's simple. He ****ed with the wrong guy. You don't try to make a power play with Mike Shanahan and walk away a winner. You don't take a $20 million dollar check, then tell the guy to his face that you are going to do whatever he asks and renege on the deal when it comes time for you to perform. He's making an example out of Al, and one I endorse. (up to a particular point)

I posted this before, but I think it's worth the repost.


[url=http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=1756473]DT was a disappointment last year - NFL - ESPN[/url]


[url=http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=1667698]DT calls Shanahan 'little man' - NFL - ESPN[/url]

[url=http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=1681478]'Non-football illness' will keep DT out - NFL - ESPN[/url]

Look at the case with Daryl Gardner to find out exactly what's going to happen to big boy. Instead of it being a circus, he's just going to suspend fat boy and keep him at home. (paid if he has to)

Ruhskins 06-08-2011 09:49 AM

Re: Redskins D-coordinator talks frustration over Haynesworth
 
[quote=NC_Skins;806335]It's simple. He ****ed with the wrong guy. You don't try to make a power play with Mike Shanahan and walk away a winner. You don't take a $20 million dollar check, then tell the guy to his face that you are going to do whatever he asks and renege on the deal when it comes time for you to perform. He's making an example out of Al, and one I endorse. (up to a particular point)

I posted this before, but I think it's worth the repost.


[url=http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=1756473]DT was a disappointment last year - NFL - ESPN[/url]


[url=http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=1667698]DT calls Shanahan 'little man' - NFL - ESPN[/url]

[url=http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=1681478]'Non-football illness' will keep DT out - NFL - ESPN[/url]

Look at the case with Daryl Gardner to find out exactly what's going to happen to big boy. Instead of it being a circus, he's just going to suspend fat boy and keep him at home. (paid if he has to)[/quote]

Mike Shanahan was brought here to win and not to discipline fat lazy head cases. If Shanahan doesn't get rid of him, in my opinion it will be a failure from his part to not be able to move on from this circus. I don't get why people are so hell bent on "oh let him rot on the bench" or "oh he f'ed with the wrong guy". WHO THE HELL CARES?! I'm sick and tired of hearing about this guy and the people who insists on keeping him on the team.

Mike Shanahan's #1 biggest mistake so far is trading for McNabb. Second biggest mistake? Keeping this circus alive. Nothing positive will come from keeping this mistake on the team. Sh*t, trade him for a 7th rounder or some back up o-lineman. I don't care about this guy and the only news I want to hear is that he has been traded or cut.

Slingin Sammy 33 06-08-2011 09:51 AM

Re: Redskins D-coordinator talks frustration over Haynesworth
 
This everything to do with $$$$. He's doing whatever he can to get released (not traded) so he can go after another big payday elsewhere.

[URL="http://www.csnwashington.com/01/19/11/Could-Haynesworth-be-headed-to-the-Eagle/landing.html?blockID=394209"]Could Haynesworth be headed to the Eagles?[/URL]

"Although Haynesworth's contract is worth $100 million, [B]he's already received $35.6 million of that from the Redskins,[/B] and his base salaries the next two years are relatively modest -- $5.4 million in 2011 and $6.7 million in 2012. [B]He's due $28.5 million in 2013, including a $20 million bonus[/B], so whoever takes on his contract -- if anybody does -- is virtually certain to release him after the 2012 season."

AH knows he'll never see that 28.5 from the Skins, he's trying to cash another 8-figure check before he's done. He has no desire to play football (in any scheme), he only cares about getting paid.

As much as I'd love to bury the POS on the bench, make his life hell, and ruin his career, if he doesn't want to play and only cares about money we still need to pay the guy if he's on the roster. If he goes out and takes a nap in the middle of plays, there isn't much we can do. At this point it's probably best to cut our losses get as much as we can for him in a trade and move on.

NC_Skins 06-08-2011 10:41 AM

Re: Redskins D-coordinator talks frustration over Haynesworth
 
[quote=Ruhskins;806337]Mike Shanahan was brought here to win and not to discipline fat lazy head cases. [/quote]

You can't do one without the other. He was brought in to win. That you are right on. That said, you aren't going to win unless you change the culture, and that all starts with overpaid players who refuse to get with the program. (mcnabb included)


I think if he's a distraction early on, you suspend him again for 4 games and sit him at home the rest of the year like the Bucs did with Keyshaun. THEN, you wait until the off-season and dump him.

over the mountain 06-08-2011 10:44 AM

Re: Redskins D-coordinator talks frustration over Haynesworth
 
Slinging Sammy - finally I may have found one person who may believe in my conspiracy theory that AH never intended to play for the skins past 18 months and the only reason he accepted the skins offer (which was less than the bucs) was b/c he and his agent thought they could collect 38 mil for 18 months, get traded to a new team where his skins front loaded contract gets ripped up and he gets a more traditional big time contract that pays him as he he plays.

No way in hell AH was going to play for 5-6 mil per season in his prime after he got the landfall 38 mil. It would take a person with integrity to say "you know what, you paid me twice as much as I should have made for the first 2 years of the contract so Im going to play for half of what I should be making for the next 2 years".

NC_Skins 06-08-2011 10:46 AM

Re: Redskins D-coordinator talks frustration over Haynesworth
 
[quote=Slingin Sammy 33;806338]and his base salaries the next two years are relatively modest -- [B]$5.4 [/B]million in 2011 and [B]$6.7 [/B]million in 2012.[/quote]

I'm almost willing to guarantee that nobody will even pay him those types of figures after this point. Not after his act here in DC. I think the next contract he gets is going to be heavily incentive laden.

Ruhskins 06-08-2011 10:46 AM

Re: Redskins D-coordinator talks frustration over Haynesworth
 
[quote=NC_Skins;806344]You can't do one without the other. He was brought in to win. That you are right on. That said, you aren't going to win unless you change the culture, and that all starts with overpaid players who refuse to get with the program. (mcnabb included)[/quote]

Well Mike Shanahan brought McNabb, which ironically this move was similar to what the old regime used to do.

For Mike Shanahan to win, he needs to get rid of players that aren't up to par, bring new players that get with his plan, and win. Keeping Haynesworth as a distraction is not part of it. All that would tell me is that MS takes things personally and he lets his ego dictate his actions.

And Haynesworth will be a distraction, Kevin Sheehan alone will make sure that it is.

Dirtbag59 06-08-2011 11:18 AM

Re: Redskins D-coordinator talks frustration over Haynesworth
 
Interesting that NFL.com is coming out with this article now. I could have sworn I heard the 10-15 snaps quote as early as the later part of the season.

Slingin Sammy 33 06-08-2011 11:25 AM

Re: Redskins D-coordinator talks frustration over Haynesworth
 
[quote=NC_Skins;806347]I'm almost willing to guarantee that nobody will even pay him those types of figures after this point. Not after his act here in DC. I think the next contract he gets is going to be heavily incentive laden.[/quote]He'll likely get out of here and get either a fat contract from a coach/team that had a positive experience with him and chalk up his poor attitude/performance to the regime change/3-4 in DC. Or, as you mentioned, get a 1 yr. incentive deal, play well and get another fat payday next off-season.

Son Of Man 06-08-2011 12:31 PM

Re: Redskins D-coordinator talks frustration over Haynesworth
 
[quote=NC_Skins;806344][B]You can't do one without the other. He was brought in to win. That you are right on. That said, you aren't going to win unless you change the culture[/B], and that all starts with overpaid players who refuse to get with the program. (mcnabb included)


I think if he's a distraction early on, you suspend him again for 4 games and sit him at home the rest of the year like the Bucs did with Keyshaun. THEN, you wait until the off-season and dump him.[/quote]

Exactly! A firm foundation must be laid by a firm hand. He needs to show everyone, in exponential terms, that he runs the show and no BS will be tolerated. To do that, you need to make some examples of problem players to set the tone for the greater good (rest of the team) before you have a winning culture.

Alvin Walton 06-08-2011 12:47 PM

Re: Redskins D-coordinator talks frustration over Haynesworth
 
Haslett needs a gag order.
Any trade value Stainsworth had is eroding quickly.

freddyg12 06-08-2011 12:58 PM

Re: Redskins D-coordinator talks frustration over Haynesworth
 
Haslett said towards the end of the season, I think when he was suspended, that AH said he just wanted to play nickel & rush. The only thing knew to me was that he mentioned how disrespectful AH is of the rules in meetings.

I don't think at this point that they could do anything to change the obvious perception of AH, I mean they already suspended him. It's kind of a balancing act for the team w/the media, they don't want to talk too much if they can keep all problems in-house, but we're long past that. They need to some degree to back up their actions publicly & let fans et al know why they've taken the course they have.


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