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SmootSmack 06-17-2011 09:04 AM

Handful of Owners Resisting Parameters of New Deal
 
[url=http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=6671873&campaign=rss&source=NFLHeadlines]Several NFL owners resisting deal to end lockout, sources say - ESPN[/url]

Lotus 06-17-2011 09:16 AM

Re: Handful of Owners Resisting Parameters of New Deal
 
Lemme guess...Ralph Wilson, Mike Brown, and Jerry Richardson are resisting...

NLC1054 06-17-2011 10:51 AM

Re: Handful of Owners Resisting Parameters of New Deal
 
Quick question;

HOW THE HELL IS DAN SNYDER STILL CONSIDERED THE WORST OWNER IN FOOTBALL!?

MonkFan4Life 06-17-2011 11:03 AM

Re: Handful of Owners Resisting Parameters of New Deal
 
[quote=NLC1054;807371]Quick question;

HOW THE HELL IS DAN SNYDER STILL CONSIDERED THE WORST OWNER IN FOOTBALL!?[/quote]

Because we've been trained to feel that way

FRPLG 06-17-2011 11:15 AM

Re: Handful of Owners Resisting Parameters of New Deal
 
I have to agree with Florio on this. Any deal that leaves the owners or players universally happy will end up being a bad one probably.

I see no reason they(owners) can't just make headway into undoing the last deal(if it really is SO bad) without going to the mat to totally undo it. Then come back next time and make a little more headway if they have to.

CRedskinsRule 06-17-2011 11:32 AM

Re: Handful of Owners Resisting Parameters of New Deal
 
Any deal that all the owners agree on, almost by definition, would be a bad one for the players. I would like to see a deal where the following people were unhappy at the end of the negotiations:

owners:JJ, DS, MB, RW and JR
players: Manning, Brady, Von Miller, (maybe) SD WR whose name escapes me

I think for the deal to last, it needs to have a real 80% approval(i don't consider the 2006 30-2 vote real, because that didn't really reflect the quality of the CBA as much as the owners fear,at that time, of a CBA with no salary cap.)

Anyone know how the player approval process would work if a deal does get hashed out?

JoeRedskin 06-17-2011 01:10 PM

Re: Handful of Owners Resisting Parameters of New Deal
 
Probably be put to a vote by the [non-existent] union members.

FRPLG 06-17-2011 01:16 PM

Re: Handful of Owners Resisting Parameters of New Deal
 
[quote=JoeRedskin;807406]Probably be put to a vote by the [non-existent] union members.[/quote]

They'd have to recertify and vote as well as the CBA would need to be approved by the courts I believe. I think the owners would have to end the lockout in anticipation of such actions though since they'd take some time. That's why mid-July is the drop date for starting the season on time. A bunch of stuff has to happen to take an agreed upon CBA and implement it officially. Joe can probably be more precise on this.

JoeRedskin 06-17-2011 01:26 PM

Re: Handful of Owners Resisting Parameters of New Deal
 
Actually, no. Labor law stuff is mostly beyond my ken. I have a passing knowledge but not much - you and CRed have given much better summaries of the legal situation than me.

I can understand the resistance of some owners. Those who thought the last deal was a bad one aren't going to be thrilled with one that gives more to the players. I would imagine it's the "poor team" owners (Brown, Richardson) rather than the rich team (Snyder, Jones) that are upset by the deal.

While universal agreement is not likely, these guys need to be somehow "on board" with the deal or we're just gonna be revisiting this again in another few years. It's that whole "history repeating itself" lesson.

Monkeydad 06-17-2011 01:39 PM

Re: Handful of Owners Resisting Parameters of New Deal
 
[quote=NLC1054;807371]Quick question;

HOW THE HELL IS DAN SNYDER STILL CONSIDERED THE WORST OWNER IN FOOTBALL!?[/quote]

ESPN says so.

IRISHSKIN24 06-17-2011 02:17 PM

Re: Handful of Owners Resisting Parameters of New Deal
 
can we just "off" these owners, and go about the season.. lol... but, seriously this is retarded...how greedy do they have to be....the poorest owner is probably still worth $750 million. do they really need more? No, it's just pure avarice.

CRedskinsRule 06-17-2011 02:20 PM

Re: Handful of Owners Resisting Parameters of New Deal
 
[quote=JoeRedskin;807422]Actually, no. Labor law stuff is mostly beyond my ken. I have a passing knowledge but not much - you and CRed have given much better summaries of the legal situation than me.

I can understand the resistance of some owners. Those who thought the last deal was a bad one aren't going to be thrilled with one that gives more to the players. [B]I would imagine it's the "poor team" owners (Brown, Richardson) rather than the rich team (Snyder, Jones) that are upset by the deal. [/B]

While universal agreement is not likely, these guys need to be somehow "on board" with the deal or we're just gonna be revisiting this again in another few years. It's that whole "history repeating itself" lesson.[/quote]

Well, if you are Jerry Jones, or the Giants and Jets owners, and you just shelled out a ton to build a new stadium (and now are charging mega psl's to diehard fans) you may not be happy with the level of revenue sharing included in any final CBA. How happy do you think Snyder and Jones are to be sending buckets of money over to Cinci or Bidwell just because those owners' franchises don't do the same volume of business?

I think the high revenue teams are more likely to acquiesce, but that's because they need the revenue to be coming in. The low rev teams just like to complain...

FRPLG 06-17-2011 02:51 PM

Re: Handful of Owners Resisting Parameters of New Deal
 
[quote=CRedskinsRule;807434]Well, if you are Jerry Jones, or the Giants and Jets owners, and you just shelled out a ton to build a new stadium (and now are charging mega psl's to diehard fans) you may not be happy with the level of revenue sharing included in any final CBA. How happy do you think Snyder and Jones are to be sending buckets of money over to Cinci or Bidwell just because those owners' franchises don't do the same volume of business?

I think the high revenue teams are more likely to acquiesce, but that's because they need the revenue to be coming in. The low rev teams just like to complain...[/quote]

My understanding is that revenue sharing isn't a provision of the CBA. It is a separate item to be negotiated amongst the owners. It certainly is a major factor in the current situation though.

saden1 06-17-2011 03:02 PM

Re: Handful of Owners Resisting Parameters of New Deal
 
[quote=MonkFan4Life;807373]Because we've been trained to feel that way[/quote]

And here I was thinking it was because he was an impulsive little prick who mismanaged the Redskins from day one.

Dirtbag59 06-17-2011 04:43 PM

Re: Handful of Owners Resisting Parameters of New Deal
 
[quote=Lotus;807365]Lemme guess...Ralph Wilson, Mike Brown, and Jerry Richardson are resisting...[/quote]

Please God release the names. They deserve to be ostracized publicly.


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