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Mattyk 06-29-2011 09:20 PM

Should T.O. be a first ballot Hall of Famer?
 
[url=http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2011/06/29/t-o-should-be-a-first-ballot-hall-of-famer-but/]T.O. should be a first-ballot Hall of Famer, but . . . . | ProFootballTalk[/url]

I think he should be without a doubt, his numbers are undeniable, what do you think?

SmootSmack 06-29-2011 09:29 PM

Re: Should T.O. be a first ballot Hall of Famer?
 
There are a lot of really really good receivers who arguably should be but aren't. But TO is one of the best WRs to ever play the game.

No doubt he should be in the Hall of Fame, but first ballot is another thing. I think he should be, but I feel voters may make him sweat it out for a bit.

It's too bad, because he practices extremely hard, has been one of the games best receivers for over a decade, and has never had any serious issues with the law. But you can't repeatedly throw your QBs under the bus and not expect that to come back and haunt you.

skinsfaninok 06-29-2011 09:39 PM

Re: Should T.O. be a first ballot Hall of Famer?
 
YES Not even a Q.. 2nd best WR I've ever seen.

SFREDSKIN 06-29-2011 09:49 PM

Re: Should T.O. be a first ballot Hall of Famer?
 
Yes. He has the #'s.

Dirtbag59 06-29-2011 09:55 PM

Re: Should T.O. be a first ballot Hall of Famer?
 
He's the one of the few receivers I can think of that almost single handily (or as close to single handily one can be in football) won his team a Super Bowl, and anyone knows that knows me knows thats about the highest compliment I can give a wideout.

Damn right he's a first ballot hall of famer.

Right now T.O is probably the second best receiver of all time. However I think if Fitz can get a QB one day he'll be passed by Larry. Andre Johnson will also probably surpass T.O one day. No one will ever pass Jerry.

Can anyone imagine how celebrated he would be if it wasn't for all the antics and me first attitude? He has an amazing work ethic and unlike many receivers he's willing to go over the middle, never got in trouble with the law either. Which all to often gets overshadowed by fights with teammates, feuds with QB's/coaches, and overall being a bad teammate.

GTripp0012 06-29-2011 09:59 PM

Re: Should T.O. be a first ballot Hall of Famer?
 
Yep. I was never high on T.O.'s career because he's been in decline since that 2004 season, but he was a fringe hall of famer anyway based solely on what he did in San Francisco for 8 years. He was a pretty good player after age 30 as well.

Hog Heaven 06-29-2011 10:10 PM

Re: Should T.O. be a first ballot Hall of Famer?
 
I think T.O. will be a first ballot Hall of Famer for sure. He has the numbers, and he hasn't done anything really crazy for a while. We have pretty short-term memories as a country, so some of the off the field issues have faded to the background.

Dirtbag59 06-29-2011 10:12 PM

Re: Should T.O. be a first ballot Hall of Famer?
 
I might have spoke to soon on never being in trouble with the law albeit he's still never been in trouble criminally speaking.

[QUOTE]Terrell Owens accused of failing to pay child support

Posted by Michael David Smith on June 29, 2011, 8:21 PM EDT

AP
Terrell Owens has made tens of millions of dollars in his NFL career, but he currently stands accused of withholding money that he owes for the care of one of his children.

The Associated Press reports that the mother of one of Owens’ children says he has refused to pay the full $5,000 a month in child support he owes.

According to the mother, Melanie Paige Smith, Owens’ financial advisers told her Owens decided to no longer pay the full amount. Owens’ agent, Drew Rosenhaus, did not return messages seeking comment from the Associated Press.

There have been conflicting media reports about how many children Owens has. Owens said in an interview last year that he has a three-year-old son whom he’s never met because of hard feelings between himself and the boy’s mother. It is not clear whether that mother is the mother seeking child support in this case.

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Seems like a tactic to force the mother to let him meet his kid.

GMScud 06-29-2011 10:12 PM

Re: Should T.O. be a first ballot Hall of Famer?
 
[quote=SmootSmack;808934]There are a lot of really really good receivers who arguably should be but aren't. But TO is one of the best WRs to ever play the game.

No doubt he should be in the Hall of Fame, but first ballot is another thing. I think he should be, but I feel voters may make him sweat it out for a bit.

[B]It's too bad, because he practices extremely hard, has been one of the games best receivers for over a decade, and has never had any serious issues with the law. But you can't repeatedly throw your QBs under the bus and not expect that to come back and haunt you[/B].[/quote]

Yeah, he's a been a cancer to his quarterbacks for sure, but his numbers are undeniable. Stats-wise he's probably a top 3 receiver all time. He works his tail off and has never had any off the field transgressions legally. I've never liked TO, but in my mind he's without question a first-ballot HOF'er.

Hog1 06-29-2011 10:35 PM

Re: Should T.O. be a first ballot Hall of Famer?
 
OH......the humanity of it all..........

SmootSmack 06-29-2011 10:56 PM

Re: Should T.O. be a first ballot Hall of Famer?
 
[quote=GMScud;808946]Yeah, he's a been a cancer to his quarterbacks for sure, but his numbers are undeniable. Stats-wise he's probably a top 3 receiver all time. He works his tail off and has never had any off the field transgressions legally. I've never liked TO, but in my mind he's without question a first-ballot HOF'er.[/quote]

Just to reiterate, I think he should be. I just wouldn't be surprised if he isn't. I think it's a shame when he gets lumped in with the "lawless thugs" when really his issues are far different

SFREDSKIN 06-29-2011 11:18 PM

Re: Should T.O. be a first ballot Hall of Famer?
 
[quote=SmootSmack;808948]Just to reiterate, I think he should be. I just wouldn't be surprised if he isn't. I think it's a shame when he gets lumped in with the "lawless thugs" when really his issues are far different[/quote]

TO learned his egotistical ways from none other than Jerry Rice (trust me, he did) and went further and became a pest to all his QB's. As for a Lawless thug, he has always had a good heart outside the field and has helped many people in many ways. Hard to figure him out.

SmootSmack 06-29-2011 11:33 PM

Re: Should T.O. be a first ballot Hall of Famer?
 
[quote=SFREDSKIN;808951]TO learned his egotistical ways from none other than Jerry Rice (trust me, he did) and went further and became a pest to all his QB's. As for a Lawless thug, he has always had a good heart outside the field and has helped many people in many ways. Hard to figure him out.[/quote]

Yeah, I know all about Rice's egotistical ways. But like TO, aside from the "prostitution" incident, never any real off-field issues.

Here's a question for you guys (not to take this thread too far off topic). If you had to choose one-who goes in 1st ballot. TO or Marvin Harrison?

Let's say TO's career is over: Here are his numbers-15 years; 1,078 receptions; 15,934 yards; 156 TDs

Harrison-13 years; 1,102 receptions; 14,580 yards; 128 TDs

One a complete loner who often wouldn't even go into team huddles, the other invites the young WRs on the team to live and train with him in the off-season. One of them has thrown almost all his QBs under the bus, the other played with one of the best of all time. One of them has never had a serious issue with the law, the other....curiously involved in a fatal shooting.

Dirtbag59 06-29-2011 11:37 PM

Re: Should T.O. be a first ballot Hall of Famer?
 
While T.O had his share of quality QB's he still never had someone like Peyton throwing to him yet he was still able to put up more yards. I also want to avoid whoever has the higher number wins but the gap in TD catches is pretty far apart even taking into account the fact that T.O has two years on Marvin.

Plus T.O never shot a gun at another person :D

SFREDSKIN 06-29-2011 11:38 PM

Re: Should T.O. be a first ballot Hall of Famer?
 
[quote=SmootSmack;808955]

Here's a question for you guys (not to take this thread too far off topic). If you had to choose one-who goes in 1st ballot. TO or Marvin Harrison?

Let's say TO's career is over: Here are his numbers-15 years; 1,078 receptions; 15,934 yards; 156 TDs

Harrison-13 years; 1,102 receptions; 14,580 yards; 128 TDs

One a complete loner who often wouldn't even go into team huddles, the other invites the young WRs on the team to live and train with him in the off-season. One of them has thrown almost all his QBs under the bus, the other played with one of the best of all time. One of them has never had a serious issue with the law, the other....curiously involved in a fatal shooting.[/quote]

Tough, tough choice, Harrison always reminded me of Monk and I always liked him until the shooting incident, which shocked the hell out of me. Coin flip!!


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