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sportscurmudgeon 08-02-2011 12:26 PM

Pretend you are the Skins' GM...
 
[B]If what I am hearing is correct[/B], Asante Samuel can be had in a trade very quickly.

OK, you are the Skins' GM and you have already ascertained that you can afford Samuel under the salary cap since you would trade for him and assume the terms of that deal.

Two questions:
[INDENT]1. Do you try to persuade Mike Shanahan/Jim Haslett that it is worth acquiring him?

2. What price are you willing to pay Philly for Samuel?[/INDENT]

mooby 08-02-2011 12:30 PM

Re: Pretend you are the Skins' GM...
 
[quote=sportscurmudgeon;818619][B]If what I am hearing is correct[/B], Asante Samuel can be had in a trade very quickly.

OK, you are the Skins' GM and you have already ascertained that you can afford Samuel under the salary cap since you would trade for him and assume the terms of that deal.

Two questions:
[INDENT]1. Do you try to persuade Mike Shanahan/Jim Haslett that it is worth acquiring him?

2. What price are you willing to pay Philly for Samuel?[/INDENT][/quote]

Well if I'm the GM and I've ascertained all that you've written, my next step is to ask the coach if he wants him. Then when Mike Shanahan says no, we're good at cornerback and I don't feel like giving up whatever crazy amount Phillly wants for him, I say ok, back to my daily routine.

Ruhskins 08-02-2011 12:30 PM

Re: Pretend you are the Skins' GM...
 
I'd rather get Hayden.

GridIron26 08-02-2011 12:30 PM

Re: Pretend you are the Skins' GM...
 
There is no way I would try to trade for Samuel, we already have a player who takes risks in Hall. We do not need another player that does exactly same thing on other side..

Monkeydad 08-02-2011 12:31 PM

Re: Pretend you are the Skins' GM...
 
If the Eagles were to trade another player to us, there are two scenarios:


1.) Player is no longer effective/valuable/worth contract and they have replaced his roster spot with an upgrade already (true)

2.) If the player is still useful, they will demand a high price tag from us, most likely in the form of high draft picks. In no way would they allow themselves to be on the losing end of the deal to a division rival.

Conclusion: Do not deal with the Eagles [B]again[/B] under any circumstances. Samuel is on the downside of his career and the conditions are similar to the McNabb deal. Samuel has gone from #1 to #3 on the depth chart quickly and has been replaced another more-talented vet and a younger up-and-coming player who are both better at this point in their careers.

GTripp0012 08-02-2011 12:31 PM

Re: Pretend you are the Skins' GM...
 
I don't see it. Maybe a year from now, we'll find we're a cornerback short and should have traded for Samuel.

He's probably worth Ryan Torain + a 3rd round pick to us, but I'm not sure it would even make sense for Philly to do that. They've gone this far to improve their pass and pass defense units, I don't see them weakening their pass coverage to add a power complement to Shady McCoy.

rbanerjee23 08-02-2011 12:32 PM

Re: Pretend you are the Skins' GM...
 
No way...build a stable of CBs who will cover, not those who sacrifice coverage for maybe getting an INT. Samuel is old and has no upside so total pass.

O-RaK 08-02-2011 12:33 PM

Re: Pretend you are the Skins' GM...
 
[quote=sportscurmudgeon;818619][B]If what I am hearing is correct[/B], Asante Samuel can be had in a trade very quickly.

OK, you are the Skins' GM and you have already ascertained that you can afford Samuel under the salary cap since you would trade for him and assume the terms of that deal.

Two questions:
[INDENT]1. Do you try to persuade Mike Shanahan/Jim Haslett that it is worth acquiring him?

2. What price are you willing to pay Philly for Samuel?[/INDENT][/quote]

Easy answers here. No and Nothing. Plain and simple here... we are not going to win this year. I hate to say it, but it's evident, it's not going to happen. Yes he is on the block, but Philly will not give him up easily. I don't want to mortgage our future on a 30 year old DB who tackles about as well as Los catches.

mlmpetert 08-02-2011 12:35 PM

Re: Pretend you are the Skins' GM...
 
[quote=Monkeydad;818625]If the Eagles were to trade another player to us, there are two scenarios:


1.) Player is no longer effective/valuable/worth contract and they have replaced his roster spot with an upgrade already (true)

2.) If the player is still useful, they will demand a high price tag from us, most likely in the form of high draft picks. In no way would they allow themselves to be on the losing end of the deal to a division rival.

[B]Conclusion: Do not deal with the Eagles again under any circumstances. Samuel is on the downside of his career and the conditions are similar to the McNabb deal. Samuel has gone from #1 to #3 on the depth chart quickly and has been replaced by two younger players who are better at this point in their careers[/B].[/quote]

Yeah if we trade for Samuels were helping the eagles. Never help the eagles.

Monkeydad 08-02-2011 12:36 PM

Re: Pretend you are the Skins' GM...
 
[quote=GTripp0012;818626]I don't see it. Maybe a year from now, we'll find we're a cornerback short and should have traded for Samuel.
[B]
He's probably worth Ryan Torain + a 3rd round pick to us[/B], but I'm not sure it would even make sense for Philly to do that. They've gone this far to improve their pass and pass defense units, I don't see them weakening their pass coverage to add a power complement to Shady McCoy.[/quote]

Hellllllllllllllllllll no.

Our starting RB who is younger (24 YO)...and a 3rd? That's getting raked over the coals as badly as the McNabb deal...actually worse since we'd be losing an effective player as well as a higher-round draft pick.

When CBs get up in age and their speed begins to go, their usefulness plummets very quickly.

Mattyk 08-02-2011 12:46 PM

Re: Pretend you are the Skins' GM...
 
I'd pass.

Lotus 08-02-2011 12:47 PM

Re: Pretend you are the Skins' GM...
 
If Philly were giving him away, sure. But likely we can't pay the price without hurting ourselves elsewhere.

GTripp0012 08-02-2011 12:47 PM

Re: Pretend you are the Skins' GM...
 
[quote=Monkeydad;818632]Hellllllllllllllllllll no.

Our starting RB who is younger (24 YO)...and a 3rd? That's getting raked over the coals as badly as the McNabb deal...actually worse since we'd be losing an effective player as well as a higher-round draft pick.

When CBs get up in age and their speed begins to go, their usefulness plummets very quickly.[/quote]Well, first, I think Torain is in that "traded because he won't make the team" category along with Holliday and Jarmon.

And the third round pick, yeah, you'd probably be best off holding onto those. Unless you're buying low on Asante Samuel and weakening the Eagles in the process. The McNabb trade was bad because, among many other reasons, we were solving a major intangible logjam at the QB position for the Eagles, helping them both get better in the short term and move on from McNabb as a depth chart obstruction.

But Samuel isn't a depth chart obstruction. He's a second corner on a team with super bowl aspirations and two no. 1 corners. He'd also fit our scheme really well.

Also, with three years on his contract, it's not like giving up a second round pick for the last two years of an aging Jason Taylor's contract when the team didn't actually have cap room. It's about finding the right price. A runner who is useless to us and a third round pick seems like a good price for a guy who would be our no. 1 CB.

GTripp0012 08-02-2011 12:50 PM

Re: Pretend you are the Skins' GM...
 
It should also be said that Torain and a third is as high as I'd be willing to go. Any good trade negotiation would hopefully begin a lot lower than that.


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