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skinster 08-15-2011 01:01 PM

Chris Cooley/Fred Davis
 
Kinda an offseason topic to talk about, but it was on my mind after looking at the players contracts so I figure I'd bring it up. Fred Davis's contract is up at season's end. Cooley has two more years left with a pretty sizeable cap number. I say we trade Cooley for whatever we can (4th/5th rounder probs considering he will be 30 next season) at seasons end and extend Davis. Davis has been a pretty shitty backup IMO, but when Cooley went down, Davis filled in great. I think its a mental thing where when he knows he's the guy he plays better. I believe Davis is a capable starting TE and I love the pats theory of trading players before they lose value. Always rebuilding leads to always having a strong team.

sportscurmudgeon 08-15-2011 01:08 PM

Re: Chris Cooley/Fred Davis
 
Just be sure to include in Davis' contract extension that he MUST purchase at least two alarm clocks so he always has one as a back-up... :sleep:

Alvin Walton 08-15-2011 01:10 PM

Re: Chris Cooley/Fred Davis
 
[quote=skinster;823505]Kinda an offseason topic to talk about, but it was on my mind after looking at the players contracts so I figure I'd bring it up. Fred Davis's contract is up at season's end. Cooley has two more years left with a pretty sizeable cap number. I say we trade Cooley for whatever we can (4th/5th rounder probs considering he will be 30 next season) at seasons end and extend Davis. [COLOR="Red"][SIZE="4"] Davis has been a pretty shitty backup IMO, but when Cooley went down, Davis filled in great.[/SIZE][/COLOR] I think its a mental thing where when he knows he's the guy he plays better. I believe Davis is a capable starting TE and I love the pats theory of trading players before they lose value. Always rebuilding leads to always having a strong team.[/quote]

That made no sense.....

SmootSmack 08-15-2011 01:18 PM

Re: Chris Cooley/Fred Davis
 
[quote=sportscurmudgeon;823506]Just be sure to include in Davis' contract extension that he MUST purchase at least two alarm clocks so he always has one as a back-up... :sleep:[/quote]

Man that one time incident has just become an endless joke hasn't it

SmootSmack 08-15-2011 01:19 PM

Re: Chris Cooley/Fred Davis
 
[quote=Alvin Walton;823507]That made no sense.....[/quote]

He's saying that when FD has to share the responsibility, he's essentially the #2 to Cooley and he struggles. But whenever Cooley has been out and Davis knows he's the man, then he shines

mooby 08-15-2011 01:27 PM

Re: Chris Cooley/Fred Davis
 
[quote=SmootSmack;823509]Man that one time incident has just become an endless joke hasn't it[/quote]

3 years and people still won't forget it.

GMScud 08-15-2011 01:43 PM

Re: Chris Cooley/Fred Davis
 
Cooley definitely would have some value in a trade, but this knee issue is not helping. Davis is one of the few real playmakers we have on offense, so I'd really like to see him on the field a lot this year. I'd love to keep both guys indefinitely, but given the moves Shanny has made lately, I wouldn't be surprised is he stuck with the younger guy in Davis at season's end.

NC_Skins 08-15-2011 01:49 PM

Re: Chris Cooley/Fred Davis
 
That trade value window expired 2 years ago really with Cooley's injuries. He's more valuable to keep at this point unless he'd net us a 2nd rounder which I highly doubt.

skinster 08-15-2011 02:27 PM

Re: Chris Cooley/Fred Davis
 
[quote=NC_Skins;823521]That trade value window expired 2 years ago really with Cooley's injuries. He's more valuable to keep at this point unless he'd net us a 2nd rounder which I highly doubt.[/quote]

I'm talking 1 year down the road, when Davis's contract expires. A 30 year old TE with injury issues and a high cap number doesn't have alot of value to us at all. One, maybe two more productive years out of him after this next one at most. Davis should be the future IMO, and next year I think we should make him the full starter.

Mattyk 08-15-2011 02:30 PM

Re: Chris Cooley/Fred Davis
 
I don't really see CC having a ton of trade value, even if healthy. Maybe a late round pick at best. I'd rather just keep him til his contract runs out.

GTripp0012 08-15-2011 02:51 PM

Re: Chris Cooley/Fred Davis
 
[quote=Mattyk;823535]I don't really see CC having a ton of trade value, even if healthy. Maybe a late round pick at best. I'd rather just keep him til his contract runs out.[/quote]Agree. And with Cooley's lingering knee, there won't be a "secret" about Davis' skill level when he hits free agency after this year. He's going to be properly valued by (a weak) market, which means that if we don't pay him like a starter, the New York Giants probably will.

Which, if we decide he has too many holes in his game to be elite, might not be such a horrible thing.

GTripp0012 08-15-2011 02:58 PM

Re: Chris Cooley/Fred Davis
 
[quote=skinster;823534]I'm talking 1 year down the road, when Davis's contract expires. A 30 year old TE with injury issues and a high cap number doesn't have alot of value to us at all. One, maybe two more productive years out of him after this next one at most. Davis should be the future IMO, and next year I think we should make him the full starter.[/quote]To piggyback on this point, the market seems to have decided that age 31 is the point where organizational lifer TEs (Cooley, Heap, Shockey, or anyone who wasn't Gates or Gonzalez in their primes) are being allowed to test the market instead of eating up a lot of cap space in their prime years.

Cooley is 29 now, and he's signed for three more years. He'll probably play out all three of those seasons. But the big news here is that perhaps Cooley isn't going to be a lifelong Redskin and that he'll play out his career elsewhere after this deal is done or gets too pricey.

We need Cooley for this season, and have to get him healthy soon. After that, we might choose to get younger and faster as an organization, and Davis might make more sense.

NLC1054 08-15-2011 03:00 PM

Re: Chris Cooley/Fred Davis
 
That's the thing guys; there's no market for tight ends right now. Everyone who needed one has one, and no one's going to trade much for him. Trading him for a 4th or 5th round pick is silly. His value, at least in theory, is higher than that, and you don't trade a productive player like Cooley (and he is productive) for less than market value just because.

You trade him while he's hot. He's not hot right now.

BigHairedAristocrat 08-15-2011 03:10 PM

Re: Chris Cooley/Fred Davis
 
cooley's a fan favorite, but i'd be very happy trading him for a late round pick. i certainly think we need to get rid of him, one way or another, before next season. Fred Davis is younger, more explosive, and more durable. He's the future at the position and we need to lock him up.


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