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jdlea 01-17-2005 06:59 PM

Kornheiser believes Skins would make run at Moss
 
During the "Mail Time" portion of the program today a viewer asked if the Vikes should deal him and would anyone be interested. Wilbon said teams would be and Kornheiser continually repeated "Redskins...Redskins...Redskins."

I know a lot of you think we should probably trade Portis and Coles for him so we can start Betts and have a great reciever. Or even LaVar since they are a bad defensive team. I know most of you will shoot it down and say Gibbs likes the "character guys." Wilbon even said that himself, but Kornheiser pointed out that the Skins owner would have to be infatuated with him.

This is exactly the type of idea that makes me despise Dan Snyder. The fact that Skins fans thinks we could/should trade for Moss because Snyder is a loose cannon with his checkbook. Whether they express public interest or not I can guarantee that the idea would cross Snyder's mind. Moss is a great player, should we make a run at him?

skins009 01-17-2005 07:04 PM

Nope we shouldn't cause he neve plays well in the big games. Plus he's got a bad attitude, forget him. What needs to happen is LC getting his toe fixed so he can dominate and a better offensive playbook.

Daseal 01-17-2005 07:07 PM

jdlea: Snyder spends. Yet we never seem up in cap hell. Randy Moss would instantly make our passing game respectable. Randy Moss needs strong leadership to set him straight. Our coaching staff has that, but it's something we're sorely lacking from a player standpoint. LaVar has yet to step up as a team leader, Smoot may be gone, etc.

Even with an anemic passing defense like ours you think teams won't put a safety overtop of Moss? As Dante Culpeper said, he's the best Decoy in the game. Now as far as what I'd be willing to give up in a trade, I don't know. Depends on how steep the Viking's demands are. Now, don't be too sure the Vikings will even deal him, every year we hear the Vikings want to deal Moss, even though the Vikings owner loves him.

Snyder opens his checkbook, get's any player his COACHING STAFF wants, and brings him in all while keeping us out of cap hell. If that means we have to cut a few big name players down the road who won't restructure (Lavar, Springs, Brunell, Portis, etc no one is safe.) Then so be it, if they want to be "Redskins" so bad they'll be willing to take a healthy salary to stay part of the franchise. If they choose to get another payday, I understand that too. It's part of the business, but so is the Redskins FO letting them go. Snyder has made bad moves before in personel decesions, especially early in his tenure. Owners can be rookies too. Since then he's gotten only players the coaches want and still is demonized by the fans and press for trying to assemble a winning team in Washington. To Snyder I say thank you and continue trying to make this a winning franchise. Right now, very few changes would help us. Moss is an impact guy and could really make our team dangerous. I wouldn't be against it (as long as the Vikes don't get too much) but I don't think it's probable.

Also - look at his numbers against Dallas. He HATES Dallas, and plays big against them always. Moss plays well in big games, he's been too bothered with stupid controversey this week, he had some drops. We all know that isn't Moss's MO.

Big C 01-17-2005 07:07 PM

id be pretty pissed if we traded for him

RedskinRat 01-17-2005 07:15 PM

After seeing Moss play (sort of) this weekend I'd hate to have him on the roster. Burress would be better. I'd take a chance with Williams first though.

SmootSmack 01-17-2005 07:16 PM

I think Moss and maybe Michael Bennett are going to end up reunited with Dennis Green in Arizona.

And that's fine by me. Moss is a great talent but we'd have to give up a lot to get him. And I'd rather just build on what we currently have

Daseal 01-17-2005 07:18 PM

You really think with Fitz, Boldin, and 1-2 other 1st round WRs down in Arizona that they'll go after Moss? Hell, Marcel Shipp is a great back down there in Arizona. I'd be suprised if they gave up what's necessary for Moss.

I'd also be suprised not to see either Bennett, Smith, or both dealt for some defense.

gibbsisgod 01-17-2005 07:20 PM

moss is an ass. if the skins are stupid enough to trade for a guy that has absolutley no respect for the game than gibby has truley lost his mind. this guy is cancer in the clubhouse

jdlea 01-17-2005 07:20 PM

I didn't really even mean to bash Snyder in that thread, I just sorta ran into it. One thing that I will say [B]does not[/B] help us win is turnover. Turnover of a good players in particular and you can't say that's not Snyder's doing. You can't keep rebuilding a team, give them 2 years and then tear them apart. Excuse me for not liking a guy who has had one playoff season and made terrible moves. I love the Gibbs hire and think this [B]will[/B] turn us around, but I don't know.

That said, I don't know about the Moss thing. He would bring a lot to the field. I really don't respect Culpepper's ability at all. He does the same thing that Gus Frerotte did when he came in. I think that Ramsey's arm strength is comparable to Culpepper's, so I believe the Skins could do basically the same thing offensively. I also think this would give us leeway with the Coles injury, if he had to miss time, we could live with that.

All that said, I think the negative outwieghs the positive. I don't think Moss will ever change no matter who leads his team. I thought Carter would help him more than he did, but they got into shouting matches with Culpepper on the side lines. He got into shouting matches with Carter on the sidelines. I don't think he can be controlled. I definitely don't think Gibbs could reach him because I don't think he'd listen to him. I think it would be terrible for our team if we got him.

jdlea 01-17-2005 07:21 PM

And I will never apologize for thinking that trading/cutting Portis, Coles, and/or LaVar is a good idea.

SmootSmack 01-17-2005 07:26 PM

I'm not sure Green is totally sold on Shipp. And I've heard some rumors that he might go after Bennett.

As for Moss, I'm just guessing but Green's offense can never have too many receivers. The Cardinals have a lot of solid defensive linemen, something the Vikings could use.

But anyway, almost every player who is on the trading block or facing free agency you're sure to see some headline indicating the Redskins interest. Sometimes I think that agents plant these stories to drive up the value of their players "Oh you won't accept our offer well we'll just take it to Dan Snyder, he told us he's willing to pay X amount" And considering DS' track record, why wouldn't it seem believable even if it's not true

MTK 01-17-2005 07:27 PM

Tempting as it may be I wouldn't make the move for Moss if I were Snyder.

He's too much of a distraction on and off the field. Great talent, arguably the most talented WR to have played the game, but is he worth the headaches?

flyfischer 01-17-2005 07:29 PM

[QUOTE=jdlea]I know a lot of you think we should probably trade Portis and Coles for him so we can start Betts and have a great reciever. Or even LaVar since they are a bad defensive team. I know most of you will shoot it down and say Gibbs likes the "character guys." Wilbon even said that himself, but Kornheiser pointed out that the Skins owner would have to be infatuated with him.[/QUOTE]

...who thinks that? Betts had one good game, he struggled last year when he had his chance. We can't trade our whole team, and why would we want to? If someone gets on here and says we need to trade Portis, LaVar, or Coles, that just shows how little they know about the game. Granted some backups stepped up this year, but trading LaVar...come on. Since when does one good year mean anything. Marshall is NOT better. Portis rushed for 1300 yards with a new system, and Coles was hurt. Give these guys a chance. Good grief. I'm glad no one on this site has no say in what really happens because we'd be 0-16 every year.

MTK 01-17-2005 07:36 PM

[QUOTE=flyfischer]...who thinks that? Betts had one good game, he struggled last year when he had his chance. We can't trade our whole team, and why would we want to? If someone gets on here and says we need to trade Portis, LaVar, or Coles, that just shows how little they know about the game. Granted some backups stepped up this year, but trading LaVar...come on. Since when does one good year mean anything. Marshall is NOT better. Portis rushed for 1300 yards with a new system, and Coles was hurt. Give these guys a chance. Good grief. I'm glad no one on this site has no say in what really happens because we'd be 0-16 every year.[/QUOTE]

Believe it or not ideas like cutting/trading LaVar, Portis and Coles are brought up on a regular basis

:doh:

jbcjr14 01-17-2005 07:49 PM

Doesn't all this talk remind anyone of something that took place a few years ago?????? Deion friggin Sanders....the boards were so against it as was I and I am adamately against a trade for Randy Moss.

Just thought this would bring back some ugly memories.


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