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SmootSmack 12-11-2011 04:22 PM

Smoot Lays the Smack Down (Redskins vs. Patriots)
 
Very exciting game. I don't care that the Patriots have a poor pass defense. We've faced some other poor teams and haven't been able to capitalize. So it was nice to see us do some things

That said, let's lay some smack down

[B]The Referees[/B] Poor calls against both teams. I guess they offset each other ultimately, but still not an excuse for the poor officiating

[B]DeAngelo Hall[/B] Really not having a good season and he needs to check his emotions.

[B]Mike Sellers' Injury[/B] Not a big fan of his, and I thought he should have been cut at least two seasons ago. Still, I respect his attitude and I feel bad that he finally had a chance to get some PT on offense this year only to get hurt

[B]Brian Orakpo[/B] Unless I missed it, I didn't see him getting double teamed all day so why was he so quiet

[B]Santana Moss[/B] I'm not inclined to put him here, but it was a poor play by him on the final drive (two poor plays) and if I don't then people will wonder why I didn't

[B]Logan Paulsen[/B] Bad false start early in the game

DynamiteRave 12-11-2011 04:32 PM

Re: Smoot Lays the Smack Down (Redskins vs. Patriots)
 
I like Sellers but I think he'll either hang it up or get cut after this season. The guy is old and doesn't get much play time anymore. It's been a good run Mike, but I think you're done.

Orakpo was invisible yet again. I mean... ??? What's going on? No pressure. Not being in on any tackles? Is he really as good as we think he is or is he just going to be a flash in the pan? 1 break out season and then falls into obscurity? I'm really hoping its the former and not the latter.

Chico23231 12-11-2011 04:36 PM

Re: Smoot Lays the Smack Down (Redskins vs. Patriots)
 
Smoot your a mind reader on the Refs,

Refs- I thought that was the worst officiated game ive seen in awhile for both sides.

D Hall- time for us to move on

OJ Atogwe and Laron Landry - injured all year, OJ is looking like another HUGE front office mistake. New England exploited it. Our safety play is worst in the league week in, week out. We need to draft heavy in the secondary at Corner and Safety.

Santana - picked a bad time to drop 2 pivotal passes that were game changers.

Gano- flat out f*cking waste. garbage kicker. No excuse effing up kickoffs every god damn week. get him the f*ck off the field already.

mooby 12-11-2011 04:46 PM

Re: Smoot Lays the Smack Down (Redskins vs. Patriots)
 
[quote=Chico23231;867096]Smoot your a mind reader on the Refs,

Refs- I thought that was the worst officiated game ive seen in awhile for both sides.

D Hall- time for us to move on

OJ Atogwe and Laron Landry - injured all year, OJ is looking like another HUGE front office mistake. New England exploited it. Our safety play is worst in the league week in, week out. We need to draft heavy in the secondary at Corner and Safety.

Santana - picked a bad time to drop 2 pivotal passes that were game changers.

Gano- flat out f*cking waste. garbage kicker. No excuse effing up kickoffs every god damn week. get him the f*ck off the field already.[/quote]

I think NE is in the running for worst safety play in the entire league as well. That said ours are no better. Safety was supposed to be a strength, and instead both of them are invisible.

With that said, I don't feel the need to smack down anybody here. I know we have plenty of guys that will take care of that, but I'm just glad I got to see a close competitive game from the Redskins today. And I'm not mad we lost because it's the Pats. We play them once every 4 years, and it's funny because the team we had today is probably 10 times worse than the team we had 4 years ago, but today we played them a hell of a lot closer than we did last time.

Ruhskins 12-11-2011 04:51 PM

Re: Smoot Lays the Smack Down (Redskins vs. Patriots)
 
Eh, at least the team showed up. Basically we're still have the same problems and they are not going away in one week.

mooby 12-11-2011 04:54 PM

Re: Smoot Lays the Smack Down (Redskins vs. Patriots)
 
[quote=Ruhskins;867098]Eh, at least the team showed up. Basically we're still have the same problems and they are not going away in one week.[/quote]

This.

Pigskins 12-11-2011 04:55 PM

Re: Smoot Lays the Smack Down (Redskins vs. Patriots)
 
What was up with the toss play? We ran in at least 8 times and I knew we'd lose one but luckily helu got a nice bounce

mooby 12-11-2011 05:00 PM

Re: Smoot Lays the Smack Down (Redskins vs. Patriots)
 
[quote=Pigskins;867103]What was up with the toss play? We ran in at least 8 times and I knew we'd lose one but luckily helu got a nice bounce[/quote]

If anything I wanted to give a smackdown to Kyle S. running right up the middle at Vince Wilfork. Pats have a crappy defense, and you run it right at their strong point? If it's not broke don't fix it. This was the one game where we excelled at rushing on the edges.

Pigskins 12-11-2011 05:03 PM

Re: Smoot Lays the Smack Down (Redskins vs. Patriots)
 
Yea I just wish we handed it off on the counter instead of the risky toss lol

BleedBurgundy 12-11-2011 05:06 PM

Re: Smoot Lays the Smack Down (Redskins vs. Patriots)
 
I'm happy both with the result and with the showing by the team overall. Helu is really looking like a star.

Ruhskins 12-11-2011 05:07 PM

Re: Smoot Lays the Smack Down (Redskins vs. Patriots)
 
[quote=mooby;867105]If anything I wanted to give a smackdown to Kyle S. running right up the middle at Vince Wilfork. Pats have a crappy defense, and you run it right at their strong point? If it's not broke don't fix it. This was the one game where we excelled at rushing on the edges.[/quote]

Well on the last run on that 3rd and goal, Monty had a good block on Wilfork, it was the rest of the line that caved in. At least he ran the ball.

mooby 12-11-2011 05:08 PM

Re: Smoot Lays the Smack Down (Redskins vs. Patriots)
 
[quote=Ruhskins;867110]Well on the last run on that 3rd and goal, Monty had a good block on Wilfork, it was the rest of the line that caved in. At least he ran the ball.[/quote]

True. And that last sentence cannot be emphasized enough.

BleedBurgundy 12-11-2011 05:10 PM

Re: Smoot Lays the Smack Down (Redskins vs. Patriots)
 
Another thing, i'm hoping the douchebag quotient on the skins gets reduced by us parting ways with Hall and Landry. They're both maddeningly inconsistent and monumental wastes of talent.

diehard 12-11-2011 05:10 PM

Re: Smoot Lays the Smack Down (Redskins vs. Patriots)
 
Coaches decision not to rotate guys in more for Orakpo and Kerrigan. They must be exhausted playing so many downs. Has Kerrigan been given a breather all year?

mooby 12-11-2011 05:21 PM

Re: Smoot Lays the Smack Down (Redskins vs. Patriots)
 
[quote=diehard;867113]Coaches decision not to rotate guys in more for Orakpo and Kerrigan. They must be exhausted playing so many downs. Has Kerrigan been given a breather all year?[/quote]

Honestly I don't think so. I think Kerrigan is the only guy on defense to play every snap. And you could see him breathing hard today. He's definitely starting to get a little tired. Obviously getting a little rotation going wouldn't hurt.

rypper11 12-11-2011 05:32 PM

Re: Smoot Lays the Smack Down (Redskins vs. Patriots)
 
Officiating absolutely terrible. And inconsistent. Tripplett used to be really good too.
I agree that the pass rush was off again but I wonder how much was guys playing scared in the second half after the bs call against Fletcher. It definitely looked like they were individually less aggressive.
D Hall. Im usually a supporter but they caught him completely on the hold and he acted like a two year old.

MTK 12-11-2011 05:46 PM

Re: Smoot Lays the Smack Down (Redskins vs. Patriots)
 
[quote=Ruhskins;867098]Eh, at least the team showed up. Basically we're still have the same problems and they are not going away in one week.[/quote]

Agreed. They played a lot better than I was expecting today, so I can't hate too much.

MTK 12-11-2011 05:47 PM

Re: Smoot Lays the Smack Down (Redskins vs. Patriots)
 
[quote=diehard;867113]Coaches decision not to rotate guys in more for Orakpo and Kerrigan. They must be exhausted playing so many downs. Has Kerrigan been given a breather all year?[/quote]

Yeah I have to agree, I'd like to see some more of Rob Jackson now and then.

diehard 12-11-2011 05:48 PM

Re: Smoot Lays the Smack Down (Redskins vs. Patriots)
 
[quote=mooby;867119]Honestly I don't think so. I think Kerrigan is the only guy on defense to play every snap. And you could see him breathing hard today. He's definitely starting to get a little tired. Obviously getting a little rotation going wouldn't hurt.[/quote]

Think about it though just as guys stepped up on the OL, on defense they have guys like White who has flashed and Jackson who has been praised. Give those guys reps before they're gone.

CultBrennan59 12-11-2011 06:00 PM

Re: Smoot Lays the Smack Down (Redskins vs. Patriots)
 
The Refs blew this game.
So did DeAngelo. He always does, but him not doing Jack Sh!t on that Gronkowski big run to start the game where if he had just pushed him he would have been out of bounds, but no he just stood there and let him go for 40 some yards. THEN, he later easily holds welker, gets the flag thrown on him, AND does a Bart Scott throwing the flag!??!! Bruce Allen, CUT HIS A$$.
Kerrigan and Orakpo, you all disappeared, missed would have been sacks, and got beat by a TE your size, not in the speed game, but the power game, you easily could have tackled gronkowski Kerrigan, and you failed.
Grossman. Do I need to say more? Luckily we lost this game so you can be replaced by a better QB. Luck, Barkley, Griffin, even God damn Tannehill could have won us that game today by making better decisions.

Ruhskins 12-11-2011 06:05 PM

Re: Smoot Lays the Smack Down (Redskins vs. Patriots)
 
[quote=CultBrennan59;867141]The Refs blew this game.
So did DeAngelo. He always does, but him not doing Jack Sh!t on that Gronkowski big run to start the game where if he had just pushed him he would have been out of bounds, but no he just stood there and let him go for 40 some yards. THEN, he later easily holds welker, gets the flag thrown on him, AND does a Bart Scott throwing the flag!??!! Brucsw Allen, CUT HIS A$$.
Kerrigan and Orakpo, you all disappeared, missed would have been sacks, and got beat by a TE your size, not in the speed game, but the power game, you easily could have tackled gronkowski Kerrigan, and you failed.
Grossman. Do I need to say more? Luckily we lost this game so you can be replaced by a better QB. Luck, Barkley, Griffin, even God damn Tannehill could have won us that game today by making better decisions.[/quote]

I swear these stupid Hall rants are just funny. But hey shouldnt you be thanking Hall for giving you a loss?

SmootSmack 12-11-2011 06:05 PM

Re: Smoot Lays the Smack Down (Redskins vs. Patriots)
 
Call me a Grossman apologist if you want, but I'm going to lay the smack down on people laying the smack down on Rex Grossman today.

Ruhskins 12-11-2011 06:08 PM

Re: Smoot Lays the Smack Down (Redskins vs. Patriots)
 
By the way I love how no one has said anything about Gomes, you know the guy that completely blew the Gronkowski long run.

Also, if MS is going to bench T. Williams for the PF during the Iggles game, he shouldve done the same to Hall for the flag fiasco.

mooby 12-11-2011 06:09 PM

Re: Smoot Lays the Smack Down (Redskins vs. Patriots)
 
[quote=CultBrennan59;867141]The Refs blew this game.
So did DeAngelo. He always does, but him not doing Jack Sh!t on that Gronkowski big run to start the game where if he had just pushed him he would have been out of bounds, but no he just stood there and let him go for 40 some yards. THEN, he later easily holds welker, gets the flag thrown on him, AND does a Bart Scott throwing the flag!??!! Bruce Allen, CUT HIS A$$.
Kerrigan and Orakpo, you all disappeared, missed would have been sacks, and got beat by a TE your size, not in the speed game, but the power game, you easily could have tackled gronkowski Kerrigan, and you failed.
Grossman. Do I need to say more? Luckily we lost this game so you can be replaced by a better QB. Luck, Barkley, Griffin, even God damn Tannehill could have won us that game today by making better decisions.[/quote]

I think you're being a little harsh in regards to Gronkowski. Dude is a 6'6, 270 pound beast with good hands. That's just a matchup exploitation, no matter if it's Kerrigan, Orakpo, or Gomes on him. Gronk is easily in the running for best TE in the league today, and it's easy to see why. Kerrigan's off to a good start this season, but he was overmatched today. Kerrigan is not Landry. Even Landry probably would've been overmatched, he probably would've went for the kill shot and bounced off Gronk like he usually does. The problem with our d today was the poor tackling. I saw a lot of standing around expecting guys to make 1 on 1 tackles today, and I didn't see a lot of players with the "crowd the ball" mentality.

CultBrennan59 12-11-2011 06:14 PM

Re: Smoot Lays the Smack Down (Redskins vs. Patriots)
 
[quote=Ruhskins;867143]I wear these stupid Hall rants are just funny. But hey shouldnt you be thanking Hall for giving you a loss?[/quote]

Great point, but the thing is its consistency. True, I'm glad we lost so we can better our draft position for a game changing player. However, I can think all the way back to 09 when DHall didn't tackle Manningham along the sideline. Its just the same consistent thing with him year after year. So I'm saying, Now don't cut him. Later, Cut him for the next season so he isn't to blame anymore.

And Rex Grossman deserves to be blamed. He had receivers wide open against an awful secondary and awful defense. If he didn't throw for 200 yards I wouldn't say hes deserving of a backup in this league. He screwed up the first series of the game with him not knowing, "Hey I have two young tackles and I'm in the endzone so I can't hold this ball too long.." And on top of that, he throws a bad pass to moss which ultimately loses us the game. He threw the ball away completely out of bounds when we went 3-out. The two drives which we punted were all on him for not audibling. It's simple if we had a better QB we would have won this game today, thats why he's being bashed.

SolidSnake84 12-11-2011 06:15 PM

Re: Smoot Lays the Smack Down (Redskins vs. Patriots)
 
Grossman might have had his best day as a redskin today, and i'm not joking. He played probably the toughest team today as a redskin, and I feel the team let him down. I was completley shocked that we hung in there pretty much score for score with them.

Ruhskins 12-11-2011 06:19 PM

Re: Smoot Lays the Smack Down (Redskins vs. Patriots)
 
[quote=CultBrennan59;867147]Great point, but the thing is its consistency. True, I'm glad we lost so we can better our draft position for a game changing player. However, I can think all the way back to 09 when DHall didn't tackle Manningham along the sideline. Its just the same consistent thing with him year after year. So I'm saying, Now don't cut him. Later, Cut him for the next season so he isn't to blame anymore.[/quote]

[IMG]http://www.acr0nym.com/gallery2/d/1121-1/picard-facepalm.jpg[/IMG]

GridIron26 12-11-2011 06:30 PM

Re: Smoot Lays the Smack Down (Redskins vs. Patriots)
 
You guys covered all things that needed to be smacked except for one thing - QB pressure IMO.. There was few QB pressures, even though Brady played his part by moving around. But still, defense could not pressure when it was necessary to stop the offense. Brady was frustrated and we didn't take advantage of that.

skinsfaninok 12-11-2011 06:47 PM

Smackdown won't do much for me at this point.. Im proud of our fight and effort today! HTTR

Alvin Walton 12-11-2011 06:49 PM

Re: Smoot Lays the Smack Down (Redskins vs. Patriots)
 
[quote=CultBrennan59;867147]Great point, but the thing is its consistency. True, [COLOR="Red"]I'm glad we lost so we can better our draft position[/COLOR] for a game changing player. However, I can think all the way back to 09 when DHall didn't tackle Manningham along the sideline. Its just the same consistent thing with him year after year. So I'm saying, Now don't cut him. Later, Cut him for the next season so he isn't to blame anymore.

And Rex Grossman deserves to be blamed. He had receivers wide open against an awful secondary and awful defense. If he didn't throw for 200 yards I wouldn't say hes deserving of a backup in this league. He screwed up the first series of the game with him not knowing, "Hey I have two young tackles and I'm in the endzone so I can't hold this ball too long.." And on top of that, he throws a bad pass to moss which ultimately loses us the game. He threw the ball away completely out of bounds when we went 3-out. The two drives which we punted were all on him for not audibling. It's simple if we had a better QB we would have won this game today, thats why he's being bashed.[/quote]

Don't you ever get tired of posting this dribble?

mooby 12-11-2011 06:56 PM

Re: Smoot Lays the Smack Down (Redskins vs. Patriots)
 
[quote=CultBrennan59;867147]Great point, but the thing is its consistency. True, [B]I'm glad we lost so we can better our draft position[/B] for a game changing player. However, I can think all the way back to 09 when DHall didn't tackle Manningham along the sideline. Its just the same consistent thing with him year after year. So I'm saying, Now don't cut him. Later, Cut him for the next season so he isn't to blame anymore.

And Rex Grossman deserves to be blamed. He had receivers wide open against an awful secondary and awful defense. If he didn't throw for 200 yards I wouldn't say hes deserving of a backup in this league. He screwed up the first series of the game with him not knowing, "Hey I have two young tackles and I'm in the endzone so I can't hold this ball too long.." And on top of that, he throws a bad pass to moss which ultimately loses us the game. He threw the ball away completely out of bounds when we went 3-out. The two drives which we punted were all on him for not audibling. It's simple if we had a better QB we would have won this game today, thats why he's being bashed.[/quote]

Are you sure? Because you sure didn't sound glad we lost in that first post where you exploded like we just got blown out in the SB.

rypper11 12-11-2011 07:21 PM

Re: Smoot Lays the Smack Down (Redskins vs. Patriots)
 
It amazes me how people can watch the same game and see completely different things. Reading the studs and smackdown is so similar with many players on both.

Ruhskins 12-11-2011 07:28 PM

Re: Smoot Lays the Smack Down (Redskins vs. Patriots)
 
[quote=mooby;867158]Are you sure? Because you sure didn't sound glad we lost in that first post where you exploded like we just got blown out in the SB.[/quote]

Well he had to be negative for the mindless Hall rant.

NC_Skins 12-11-2011 07:51 PM

Re: Smoot Lays the Smack Down (Redskins vs. Patriots)
 
[quote=CultBrennan59;867147]Great point, but the thing is its consistency. True, I'm glad we lost so we can better our draft position for a game changing player.[/quote]


Why do people keep saying this stupid shit? Drafting in the top 5 doesn't mean you'll get a "game changing" player. So many game changing players have been drafted out of the top 10.

EARTHQUAKE2689 12-11-2011 07:56 PM

Re: Smoot Lays the Smack Down (Redskins vs. Patriots)
 
[quote=NC_Skins;867194]Why do people keep saying this stupid shit? Drafting in the top 5 doesn't mean you'll get a "game changing" player. So many game changing players have been drafted out of the top 10.[/quote]

NC now what is the slogan again? Common sense don't make sense to some people.

Big C 12-11-2011 07:57 PM

Re: Smoot Lays the Smack Down (Redskins vs. Patriots)
 
[quote=SmootSmack;867089]
[B]Brian Orakpo[/B] Unless I missed it, I didn't see him getting double teamed all day so why was he so quiet
[/quote]

its been happening ALL season. i dont see him getting double teamed much, he hasnt been able to get consistent pressure this season and needs to add some diversity to his pass rush. he has definitely hit a wall this season imo. kerrigan has outshone him.

mooby 12-11-2011 08:21 PM

Re: Smoot Lays the Smack Down (Redskins vs. Patriots)
 
[quote=NC_Skins;867194]Why do people keep saying this stupid shit? Drafting in the top 5 doesn't mean you'll get a "game changing" player. So many game changing players have been drafted out of the top 10.[/quote]

I like what you bring to the table NC. But apparently you're unaware that every game changing player ever was drafted in the top 5. ;)

SirClintonPortis 12-11-2011 08:31 PM

Re: Smoot Lays the Smack Down (Redskins vs. Patriots)
 
[quote=NC_Skins;867194]Why do people keep saying this stupid shit? Drafting in the top 5 doesn't mean you'll get a "game changing" player. So many game changing players have been drafted out of the top 10.[/quote]

I hope you enjoy Miami getting their quarterback.

skinsfaninok 12-11-2011 08:32 PM

[QUOTE=NC_Skins;867194]Why do people keep saying this stupid shit? Drafting in the top 5 doesn't mean you'll get a "game changing" player. So many game changing players have been drafted out of the top 10.[/QUOTE]

Yeah well the chances are statistically higher when drafting in the top 5 of each round

redsk1 12-11-2011 08:39 PM

Re: Smoot Lays the Smack Down (Redskins vs. Patriots)
 
[quote=BleedBurgundy;867112]Another thing, i'm hoping the douchebag quotient on the skins gets reduced by us parting ways with Hall and Landry. They're both maddeningly inconsistent and monumental wastes of talent.[/quote]

I was pretty outspoken about Hall when we signed him. I thought he was an average CB and was a locker room "cancer" type. I don't know about him as a bad teamate...I think he's been pretty good here in that regard. I still think he's an average to slightly above average cb.

Landry? Just what exactly has he done to deserve a new contract? He's got plenty of potential. But I don't know that he's done much to deserve a big contract.


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