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NC_Skins 01-24-2012 01:38 PM

ProFootballFocus: Best/Worst drop rate for 2011 WRs
 
[url]https://www.profootballfocus.com/blog/2012/01/17/drop-rate-2011-which-receivers-are-dropping-the-ball/[/url]


Might want to think twice before championing for DeSean Jackson's services. Had a 13.4% drop rate. On another note, many people talked about Vjax, but I always thought they should be looking at Malcom Floyd. This report leads me to believe I was correct in that thinking.

Best
[QUOTE]1 Golden Tate SEA 35 35 0 0
2 Dez Bryant DAL 64 63 1 1.56
3 Malcom Floyd SD 44 43 1 2.27
4 Marques Colston NO 82 80 2 2.44
5 Reggie Wayne IND 77 75 2 2.6
6 Jordy Nelson GB 70 68 2 2.86
7 Jabar Gaffney WAS 69 67 2 2.9
8 Larry Fitzgerald ARZ 83 80 3 3.61
9 Deion Branch NE 53 51 2 3.77
10 Steve Breaston KC 64 61 3 4.69
11 Brandon LaFell CAR 38 36 2 5.26
12 Austin Collie IND 57 54 3 5.26
13 Mike Wallace PIT 76 72 4 5.26
14 Dezmon Briscoe TB 37 35 2 5.41
15 Lance Moore NO 55 52 3 5.45
16 Jason Avant PHI 54 51 3 5.56
17 Greg Jennings GB 71 67 4 5.63
18 Denarius Moore OAK 35 33 2 5.71
19 Devery Henderson NO 34 32 2 5.88
20 Lavelle Hawkins TEN 50 47 3 6[/QUOTE]


Worst:
[QUOTE]91 Arrelious Benn TB 38 30 8 21.05
90 Dane Sanzenbacher CHI 34 27 7 20.59
89 Danario Alexander SL 32 26 6 18.75
88 Greg Little CLV 75 61 14 18.67
87 Brandon Gibson SL 44 36 8 18.18
85 Donald Driver GB 45 37 8 17.78
86 Ben Obomanu SEA 45 37 8 17.78
84 Eric Decker DEN 53 44 9 16.98
83 Brian Hartline MIA 42 35 7 16.67
82 Devin Aromashodu MIN 31 26 5 16.13
81 Roy E. Williams CHI 44 37 7 15.91
80 Jerome Simpson CIN 59 50 9 15.25
79 Brandon Marshall MIA 95 81 14 14.74
78 James Jones GB 44 38 6 13.64
77 Demaryius Thomas DEN 37 32 5 13.51
76 DeSean Jackson PHI 67 58 9 13.43
74 Devin Hester CHI 30 26 4 13.33
75 Mario Manningham NYG 45 39 6 13.33
73 Santana Moss WAS 53 46 7 13.21
72 Roddy White ATL 115 100 15 13.04[/QUOTE]

I'm surprised to see Roddy White with 15 drops. That's horrible.

skinsguy 01-24-2012 03:24 PM

Re: ProFootballFocus: Best/Worst drop rate for 2011 WRs
 
Eh, I don't pay a lot of attention to that. It's hard to gauge how and why those receivers dropped those passes. Since the NFL is a quarterback driven league nowdays, you're going to have more passing attempts, which will lead to more drops, more catches, more yards after the catch (hopefully anyway) and ultimately more TD catches. The yards after the catch and the TDs are the things I'm most concerned about.

Ruhskins 01-24-2012 03:31 PM

Re: ProFootballFocus: Best/Worst drop rate for 2011 WRs
 
[quote=skinsguy;878459]Eh, I don't pay a lot of attention to that. It's hard to gauge how and why those receivers dropped those passes. Since the NFL is a quarterback driven league nowdays, you're going to have more passing attempts, which will lead to more drops, more catches, more yards after the catch (hopefully anyway) and ultimately more TD catches. The yards after the catch and the TDs are the things I'm most concerned about.[/quote]

I am going to guess that in order for something to be counted as a drop, it has to hit the receiver's hand. While the way the QB throws the ball can certainly lead to the WR dropping the ball, I would say that this is a good assessment of how reliable a wideout is at holding on to the ball.

irish 01-24-2012 03:35 PM

Re: ProFootballFocus: Best/Worst drop rate for 2011 WRs
 
No surprise Moss is on the worst list.

skinsguy 01-24-2012 03:41 PM

Re: ProFootballFocus: Best/Worst drop rate for 2011 WRs
 
[quote=Ruhskins;878461]I am going to guess that in order for something to be counted as a drop, it has to hit the receiver's hand. While the way the QB throws the ball can certainly lead to the WR dropping the ball, I would say that this is a good assessment of how reliable a wideout is at holding on to the ball.[/quote]


You'd also have to look at how they dropped the ball. How many of those passes were hailmary passes, how many were passes that would require some amazing circus type of catch, how many of those passes were just short enough to get one hand on it, but maybe too long to really reach out to catch. I just think there are a lot of variables that one must consider before saying the receiver has the case of the dropsees and shouldn't be considered.

NC_Skins 01-24-2012 03:48 PM

Re: ProFootballFocus: Best/Worst drop rate for 2011 WRs
 
Skinsguy, if you look at the list they have "catchable" so they aren't counting passes your are referring to.

Daseal 01-24-2012 03:49 PM

Re: ProFootballFocus: Best/Worst drop rate for 2011 WRs
 
Or in Moss' case, how many hit you in the numbers on a slant yet you still managed to drop.

NC_Skins 01-24-2012 03:51 PM

Re: ProFootballFocus: Best/Worst drop rate for 2011 WRs
 
I mainly posted this to show how good Gaffney was this year for us.

Ruhskins 01-24-2012 03:55 PM

Re: ProFootballFocus: Best/Worst drop rate for 2011 WRs
 
[quote=Daseal;878475]Or in Moss' case, how many hit you in the numbers on a slant yet you still managed to drop.[/quote]

:rofl:

skinsguy 01-24-2012 04:38 PM

Re: ProFootballFocus: Best/Worst drop rate for 2011 WRs
 
[quote=NC_Skins;878474]Skinsguy, if you look at the list they have "catchable" so they aren't counting passes your are referring to.[/quote]

I see that, but still one can't derive, clearly, that these receivers have the case of the drops when there are a lot of variables that go into this. For one thing, look how many more passing attempts are thrown Roddy White's way as opposed to Golden Tate. 115 to 35? How many of those are little hitch passes, bombs down field, perfectly thrown balls, etc.... And, the receivers with the best percentage of catches:drops ratio, why aren't they being thrown to more if they're that more fundamentally sound?

I just think this is one of those situations where unless you look at every single drop from these receivers, I'd be hard press to conclude their fundamentals are lacking.

CrustyRedskin 01-24-2012 05:12 PM

Re: ProFootballFocus: Best/Worst drop rate for 2011 WRs
 
4 Marques Colston NO 82 80 2 2.44

Not bad for a 252nd pick.

GTripp0012 01-24-2012 05:47 PM

Re: ProFootballFocus: Best/Worst drop rate for 2011 WRs
 
[quote=skinsguy;878487]I just think this is one of those situations where unless you look at every single drop from these receivers, I'd be hard press to conclude their fundamentals are lacking.[/quote]No one is concluding this.

diehardskin2982 01-24-2012 06:51 PM

Re: ProFootballFocus: Best/Worst drop rate for 2011 WRs
 
Moss had a broken hand. so I can understand the drops.

Chico23231 01-24-2012 06:56 PM

Re: ProFootballFocus: Best/Worst drop rate for 2011 WRs
 
[quote=irish;878465]No surprise Moss is on the worst list.[/quote]

Santana had a really bad season. maybe his worst season as a player. I think he certainly is expendable especially with Gaffney stepping up.

NC_Skins 01-24-2012 08:39 PM

Re: ProFootballFocus: Best/Worst drop rate for 2011 WRs
 
[quote=skinsguy;878487]I see that, but still one can't derive, clearly, that these receivers have the case of the drops when there are a lot of variables that go into this. For one thing, look how many more passing attempts are thrown Roddy White's way as opposed to Golden Tate. 115 to 35? How many of those are little hitch passes, bombs down field, perfectly thrown balls, etc.... And, the receivers with the best percentage of catches:drops ratio, why aren't they being thrown to more if they're that more fundamentally sound?

I just think this is one of those situations where unless you look at every single drop from these receivers, I'd be hard press to conclude their fundamentals are lacking.[/quote]

The numbers are what they are. There are variables to everything if you really want to go down that path. You can use that line of reasoning with everything. Sacks, INTS, tackles, fumbles, passing yards, blocks, rushing yards, etc.

In the end, the numbers are what they are. Rex Grossman threw 20 INTs this year, I don't see a * denoting a few of those INTs were caused by the WR. Nope.

They presented the numbers and they are accurate. They aren't going to include some hail mary catch that isn't catchable as part of the stat, which is why they have "catchable" listed and not "targeted".

Also, nobody concluded their fundamentals are lacking. We are concluding their catching ability is.



Drew Brees has 3 WRs in the top 20 on this list and Aaron Rodgers has 2. Always helps a good QB when you have decent guys catching the ball.


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