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Daseal 03-26-2012 04:34 PM

Compensatory Picks -- Can someone explain the justification?
 
Why are compensatory picks awarded? Is there a formula for deciding who gets the picks and which picks they get? I know the rules read:[INDENT]Under the rules for compensatory draft selections, a team losing more or better compensatory free agents than it acquires in the previous year is eligible to receive compensatory draft picks.[/INDENT]However, what metrics decide what you're losing versus what you're gaining. At best this system is unreliable.

I guess I feel like the salary cap evens out the playing field. Big money teams have no advantage in free agency over small teams. If you lose a big player due to salary cap restrictions, you shouldn't get an extra pick -- you had the same opportunity as anyone else.

Can someone explain WHY the league has, and needs, compensatory picks. Also, why didn't we get any for losing a pro-bowl LB while gaining some okay starters via FA, but no real studs.

Edit: Link to the article the quote is from.
[url=http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/03/26/nfl-announces-32-compensatory-draft-choices-to-15-teams/]NFL announces 32 compensatory draft choices to 15 teams | ProFootballTalk[/url]

EARTHQUAKE2689 03-26-2012 04:36 PM

Re: Compensatory Picks -- Can someone explain the justification?
 
I doubt we get one for Carlos Rogers but we should.

T.O.Killa 03-26-2012 04:37 PM

Re: Compensatory Picks -- Can someone explain the justification?
 
[quote=Daseal;903959]Why are compensatory picks awarded? Is there a formula for deciding who gets the picks and which picks they get? I know the rules read:[INDENT]Under the rules for compensatory draft selections, a team losing more or better compensatory free agents than it acquires in the previous year is eligible to receive compensatory draft picks.
[/INDENT]However, what metrics decide what you're losing versus what you're gaining. At best this system is unreliable.

I guess I feel like the salary cap evens out the playing field. Big money teams have no advantage in free agency over small teams. If you lose a big player due to salary cap restrictions, you shouldn't get an extra pick -- you had the same opportunity as anyone else.

Can someone explain WHY the league has, and needs, compensatory picks. Also, why didn't we get any for losing a pro-bowl LB while gaining some okay starters via FA, but no real studs.[/quote]
Who was the pro bowl LB?

Ruhskins 03-26-2012 04:37 PM

Re: Compensatory Picks -- Can someone explain the justification?
 
From Ralph Vacchiano on Twitter:

Ralph Vacchiano ‏ @TheBlueScreen
Comp picks are awarded to teams whose free-agent losses the previous year are greater than their FA gains. Value formula is complicated.

T.O.Killa 03-26-2012 04:38 PM

Re: Compensatory Picks -- Can someone explain the justification?
 
[quote=EARTHQUAKE2689;903961]I doubt we get one for Carlos Rogers but we should.[/quote]
We won't get any this year or next. Last year we brought in way more free agents than we lost.

EARTHQUAKE2689 03-26-2012 04:38 PM

Re: Compensatory Picks -- Can someone explain the justification?
 
[QUOTE=T.O.Killa;903962]Who was the pro bowl LB?[/QUOTE]




Antonio Pierce.

Daseal 03-26-2012 04:40 PM

Re: Compensatory Picks -- Can someone explain the justification?
 
Meant CB, not LB. My apologies

(Carlos Rogers)

T.O.Killa 03-26-2012 04:51 PM

Re: Compensatory Picks -- Can someone explain the justification?
 
[quote=EARTHQUAKE2689;903965]Antonio Pierce.[/quote]
Why are we talking about that year. We may have, but we usually dominated free agency. We got a third round draft choice for Dockery. We got a seventh round draft choice the year Shannahan came in, I think.

That Guy 03-26-2012 04:58 PM

Re: Compensatory Picks -- Can someone explain the justification?
 
i've linked to a different forum where a guy predicts comp picks weeks or a month ahead of time with 98% accuracy or so. you'd have to search for the old comp picks threads.

basically a bunch of nfl guys get in a room and figure it out, there's not really a formula as much as guidelines.

basically FA losses vs FA gains (taking into account # of starts, post season awards, CONTRACT VALUE, etc).

If you lose a pro bowl player and don't sign anyone, that's basically a 3rd round pick (well, high 4th round pick). if you lose someone and sign an FA starter as equal value, you might get a 7th or might not. everything else is in between.

NE, PHI, and BAL tend to get a ton of comp picks every year, since (usually) they sign cheap FAs and draft a ton of players.

Ruhskins 03-26-2012 04:59 PM

Re: Compensatory Picks -- Can someone explain the justification?
 
So it seems that the Raiders got a 3rd rounder for Nnamdi.

Daseal 03-26-2012 05:22 PM

Re: Compensatory Picks -- Can someone explain the justification?
 
I guess my real question -- is why is there a system in place for these picks. It seems pointless to me. If you lose a player, too bad -- you shouldn't be rewarded.

GTripp0012 03-26-2012 05:48 PM

Re: Compensatory Picks -- Can someone explain the justification?
 
[quote=Daseal;903959]Why are compensatory picks awarded? Is there a formula for deciding who gets the picks and which picks they get? I know the rules read:[INDENT]Under the rules for compensatory draft selections, a team losing more or better compensatory free agents than it acquires in the previous year is eligible to receive compensatory draft picks.[/INDENT]However, what metrics decide what you're losing versus what you're gaining. At best this system is unreliable.

I guess I feel like the salary cap evens out the playing field. Big money teams have no advantage in free agency over small teams. If you lose a big player due to salary cap restrictions, you shouldn't get an extra pick -- you had the same opportunity as anyone else.

Can someone explain WHY the league has, and needs, compensatory picks. Also, why didn't we get any for losing a pro-bowl LB while gaining some okay starters via FA, but no real studs.

Edit: Link to the article the quote is from.
[url=http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/03/26/nfl-announces-32-compensatory-draft-choices-to-15-teams/]NFL announces 32 compensatory draft choices to 15 teams | ProFootballTalk[/url][/quote]The justification is because it was collectively bargained. That's the why.

The how is secretive, but to qualify you must have had a greater number of UFAs sign elsewhere than you signed. Then you get picks. Value of the contracts signed matters secondarily, as does playing time for the players you lost. Then some teams just get picks in the 7th round because they had a poor record the year before (in this case, that's why Indy gets #253).

GTripp0012 03-26-2012 05:56 PM

Re: Compensatory Picks -- Can someone explain the justification?
 
We didn't get picks for Rogers because we got Barry Cofield, Josh Wilson, Stephen Bowen, Keyaron Fox, etc.

According to the value formula, Carlos' 1/$4 million contract didn't outweigh everything else we brought in.

Dirtbag59 03-26-2012 06:37 PM

Re: Compensatory Picks -- Can someone explain the justification?
 
Mel Kiper has been studying the draft for something like 30 years and even he has said on multiple occasions that he has little to no idea how they work.

Alvin Walton 03-26-2012 06:57 PM

Re: Compensatory Picks -- Can someone explain the justification?
 
The Packers get two 4th rounders.
WTF?


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