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backrow 04-30-2012 07:26 AM

2012 Draft Grades: Post Here
 
When the B&G Play, we have a W or L. With the Draft we see grades. Although the Draft grade does not equate to how many draftees stick to help the team, it is interesting.

[url=http://nfl.si.com/2012/04/29/2012-nfl-draft-grades/]2012 NFL Draft Grades – Audibles[/url]

[url=http://sports.yahoo.com/news/nfl--2012-nfc-draft-grades--defensive-minded-eagles--packers-earn-high-marks.html;_ylt=AgbP_HSZl1IGrfkYzNAQnNE5nYcB]2012 NFC draft grades: Defensive-minded Eagles, Packers earn high marks - Yahoo! Sports[/url]

[url=http://sports.yahoo.com/news/nfl--2012-afc-draft-grades--risky-dolphins--o-line-needy-steelers-earn-high-marks.html;_ylt=AlzLRGYuV9gSJxcR0EXNMH05nYcB]2012 AFC draft grades: Risky Dolphins, O-line needy Steelers earn high marks - Yahoo! Sports[/url]

[url=http://www.rr.com/sports/topic/article/rr/2020/68141230/Grading_the_NFL_Draft]Grading the NFL Draft - Road Runner[/url]

mooby 04-30-2012 08:44 AM

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Nothing like grading the draft a couple days after it happens.

FRPLG 04-30-2012 08:50 AM

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I cannot think of anything more useless than a draft grade.

NYCskinfan82 04-30-2012 09:04 AM

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It's along time till Football starts up for real, this gives us something to talk about IMO.

EARTHQUAKE2689 04-30-2012 09:41 AM

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[QUOTE=FRPLG;913976]I cannot think of anything more useless than a draft grade.[/QUOTE]



5th string FB?, Stephen Hawking's football? Dirtbag59?

SmootSmack 04-30-2012 09:45 AM

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A+. Haven't lost a single game with these ballers we drafted over the weekend.

Ruhskins 04-30-2012 10:11 AM

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I thought [URL="http://insider.espn.go.com/nfl/draft2012/story/_/id/7823750/mel-kiper-gives-grades-every-nfl-team-draft"]Mel Kiper's assessment[/URL] of our draft was a fair one:

Needs: B+; Value: C; Overall: C
Summary: If you feel like the grade is a tough one, remember I have to factor in the extraordinary value given up to acquire Robert Griffin III. I've looked, and it's as much as we've ever seen dealt for a top-5 pick. I think RG3 will be a very good player, and I think he can be pretty good right out of the gate, but he's this draft for Washington, and he came at the cost of (likely) three future starters. The pick of another quarterback, Kirk Cousins, obviously created some curiosity. I can see a plan: Washington develops an asset it can deal in a year to regain some draft picks. Is Cousins worth a second-round pick in a year? He could be. It was smart to get a couple of guards, because the offensive line is a weakness outside of Trent Williams. The Redskins got their guy in RG3, they just gave up an extraordinary amount to do so. Only fair to factor that in.

FRPLG 04-30-2012 10:21 AM

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[quote=Ruhskins;914001]I thought [URL="http://insider.espn.go.com/nfl/draft2012/story/_/id/7823750/mel-kiper-gives-grades-every-nfl-team-draft"]Mel Kiper's assessment[/URL] of our draft was a fair one:

Needs: B+; Value: C; Overall: C
Summary: If you feel like the grade is a tough one, remember I have to factor in the extraordinary value given up to acquire Robert Griffin III. I've looked, and it's as much as we've ever seen dealt for a top-5 pick. I think RG3 will be a very good player, and I think he can be pretty good right out of the gate, but he's this draft for Washington, and he came at the cost of (likely) three future starters. The pick of another quarterback, Kirk Cousins, obviously created some curiosity. I can see a plan: Washington develops an asset it can deal in a year to regain some draft picks. Is Cousins worth a second-round pick in a year? He could be. It was smart to get a couple of guards, because the offensive line is a weakness outside of Trent Williams. The Redskins got their guy in RG3, they just gave up an extraordinary amount to do so. Only fair to factor that in.[/quote]
He makes a bunch of subjective points. Some may be right or wrong but probably somewhere in between. Then he assigns a quantification to the subjective evaluation. It's both "fair" and totally "idiotic" at the same time because there isn't one single quantifiable thing about it. I'm not knocking Mel any more than any of these other "grades".

Grading a draft is like grading poetry.

Evilgrin 04-30-2012 11:28 AM

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They all love the skins last year, mixed on them this year.

They got 9 players all at positions of need, and we didn't just need a good QB, we needed a good backup QB. Why aren't people all over Denver for Osweiler? Manning only has a 3 year window or whatever, its smart drafting to make sure your backed up at the most important position.

Monkeydad 04-30-2012 11:37 AM

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Not going to pull a premature, meaningless letter out of a hat without seeing any of these guys play for us, but I like this year's draft. Past RGIII, it's not as exciting as last year's haul, but we addressed every need with quality depth, if not future starters.

We hit QB obviously, as well as backup QB (one more year with Rex on bench). The trend in the NFL of developing a backup and trading away for a haul has been paying off handsomely for teams lately. Lets jump in on that action, or hang onto him as a great backup.

O-line was hit at all three positions, G, T and Center (Gettis likely).

We added depth at CB and S.

Since Hightower has not signed yet, we added another RB to go with Helu and Royster. If Hightower comes back (hopefully), we can bulk this guy up to be a backup FB.

LB, specifically London's backup and heir...another Texas Longhorn LB. They've been churning out quality DEs and LBs for a while now, as we know very well.

We took a very limited number of picks and not only increased the number of picks through trades, but we addressed every single "urgent" positional need.

This draft can only be graded as a big success in terms of filling needs. We'll find out how good these guys are later but from a strategic standpoint...we did the best we possible could have.

The Cousins pick SHOCKED and confused me at first but then I remembered we had Rex as RGIII's backup and the more I think about the pick, the more I like it.

NYCskinfan82 04-30-2012 12:05 PM

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[quote=Evilgrin;914029]They all love the skins last year, mixed on them this year.

They got 9 players all at positions of need, and we didn't just need a good QB, we needed a good backup QB. [B]Why aren't people all over Denver for Osweiler?[/B] Manning only has a 3 year window or whatever, its smart drafting to make sure your backed up at the most important position.[/quote]

Because it's some much easier to keep BAD MOUTHING the SKINS. It's a NEW DAY & the media needs to realize this.

30gut 04-30-2012 12:58 PM

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Love the emphasis on the OL
Would have liked to see them use the 4th pick to address a current and future needs as opposed to just a future need
Like Keenan Robinson as developmental ILB
Love Bernsteins measurables

Paintrain 04-30-2012 01:03 PM

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[quote=Monkeydad;914033]Not going to pull a premature, meaningless letter out of a hat without seeing any of these guys play for us, but I like this year's draft. Past RGIII, it's not as exciting as last year's haul, but we addressed every need with quality depth, if not future starters.

We hit QB obviously, as well as backup QB (one more year with Rex on bench). The trend in the NFL of developing a backup and trading away for a haul has been paying off handsomely for teams lately. Lets jump in on that action, or hang onto him as a great backup.

O-line was hit at all three positions, G, T and Center (Gettis likely).

We added depth at CB and S.

Since Hightower has not signed yet, we added another RB to go with Helu and Royster. If Hightower comes back (hopefully), we can bulk this guy up to be a backup FB.

LB, specifically London's backup and heir...another Texas Longhorn LB. They've been churning out quality DEs and LBs for a while now, as we know very well.

[B]We took a very limited number of picks and not only increased the number of picks through trades, but we addressed every single "urgent" positional need.
[/B]
This draft can only be graded as a big success in terms of filling needs. We'll find out how good these guys are later but from a strategic standpoint...we did the best we possible could have.

The Cousins pick SHOCKED and confused me at first but then I remembered we had Rex as RGIII's backup and the more I think about the pick, the more I like it.[/quote]
Really good synopsis over all and I agree with mostly all of what you said. I take slight issue with what you noted as 'a very limited number of picks', we had a full draft even with the trade since we entered into the draft with 7 picks. We're so conditioned to have limited drafts and poor development of picks I think we suffer from PCSD (Post Cerrato Stress Disorder) and feel like our picks have to be hits right away. Hopefully our draft picks from '11 (Thompson and Gomes) make a contribution this year to mitigate some of our issues and maybe even Robinson bringing something to the WR position so our weaknesses become strengths from within.

This draft was more of the same, future planning with impact from a couple of rookies.

SirClintonPortis 04-30-2012 01:41 PM

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RGIII is an A+.

Well, we then decided to try to address QB depth, LB depth and OLine depth with our mid picks. Secondary remains a concern; it's mostly prayer picks for the secondary this year.

Hopefully, in the near future, Rex Grossman will be gone when Cousins learns his stuff and our shitty red zone running game will be better with the ruffians we drafted.

CultBrennan59 04-30-2012 01:44 PM

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I've said it before but..

C+

We had an A, until we picked an unknown guard who was considered a reach in the 3rd, and drafted a backup QB in the fourth. I know Kirk Cousins was so good and was a 3 time captain and 4 year starter blah blah blah. But like people have said we don't exactly have the best pick situation for the next 2 years. And a LOT can happen in two years. I know we can "Matt Cassel" Cousins and get picks for him, but realistically we need those picks IMO sooner, rather than later. And I don't see those picks coming next year. Even the year after I don't see it. Sure we have a young backup to Griffin incase he gets hurt. But remember this skins fans, Rex Grossman knows this system better than Griffin and Cousins combined, so if RG3 goes down, it won't be Cousins in, it will be Sexy Rexy. We could do a situation like what Gibbs (or was it Zorn?) did a few years ago, where he said If QB1 goes down in the game then QB2 goes in; but if QB1 is still out for next week then QB3 will go in if QB3 has learned all his stuff and is prepared prior to the next weeks game. I feel like Gibbs did this with Brunell Campbell and Collins but I'm not 100% sure.

I'm like Mayock, I see both sides to having and not having Cousins, but after all is said and done, it wasn't worth it. (Hell Kellen moore could have been had as an undrafted FA)

Another thing I was going to bring up about our draft is the fact that we drafted about 4 people I've never heard of in my life. Rarely is that a good thing. I thought it was a joke when one of the fans said we drafted Josh LeRibeus. Sure he's a guard and at SMU so he didn't get much attention, but you can not tell me that Bobby Massie is worse than him. Then on top of that is Jordan Bernstein. I've seen 3 Iowa games the past 2 years, never heard his name. And he's at a position where your name is called. That was a wasted pick. I will be SHOCKED if he makes the final roster. Then theres the SMU CB (what is it with SMU kids anyway?) Richard Crawford I believe is his name. Why the hell did we draft him when Dennard was still available? I know Dennard was arrested, but its not like he's going to jail for years, and his upside is much better than crawfords. And Keenan Robinson. Everywhere I look and read it says that he is strictly a 4-3 WLB. I went to look at his highlights, and I feel like we could have drafted another ILB, because Keenan, who is great in passing situations, is not good in run situations. I watched his games against OU, Baylor and A&M. The dude will do several different things. He'll either A) throw his arm out last minute and attempt to trip up the RB, which rarely worked B) dip his head down and hope that the RB got tackled, which again rarely worked (whiffing at the tackle) C) decide that this is the time he wants to go full speed for a hit, and shoot up the wrong hole Or just flat out miss. He needs to bulk up because he looks like Gumby trying to go through traffic, and he gets pushed around by guards fairly easily. I really don't think that being mentored by fletcher will make his tackling problems go away. If you don't want to hit a college RB head on, why would you just want to hit an NFL RB head on? He was a name though, which is typically a good thing when drafting players, but I don't see this guy sticking for a year 3 here.
However with the bad drafting comes the solid UDFA signings which we made up for the last half of our draft. As always I will be looking back on this draft and looking at what names I wrote down for draft day I wanted the skins to pick, and see how they far two years from now to see if I was right or not (ex: Desean jackson instead of Devin Thomas)


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