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ChounsMan 02-25-2004 11:34 AM

Ramsey to stay in DC
 
Gibbs: Ramsey Has 'Terrific Future'
Redskins Coach Explains Quarterback Arrangement With Brunell Aboard.

Coach reafirmed that Ramsey would not be dealt this year. So basically what can we expect to see come mini camp & training camp, a QB controversy..?

I say that it's going to be a distraction from Ramseys' camp.

Brunell comes in with nothing to loss & everything to gain. Plus a nice contract as incentive to win the starting job.

I know this is Ramsey's team, but Brunell is a great talent with proven leadership & experience in the league.

Could this offense be another 2 headed monster..?

My opinion coach Gibbs will not play that style ball. Like Parcells & Shula, Gibbs' track record shows that he will stick with the best guy no matter what, barring injury of course.
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MTK 02-25-2004 11:54 AM

I have no doubt that Gibbs will play whoever he feels is the best guy for the job regardless of salaries. Gibbs is here to win, not to satisfy egos.

skins009 02-25-2004 12:15 PM

My guess is Brunnel will start next year, with Ramsey taking over after that. It might be good from the standpoint that Ramsey gets to watch and learn for another year. But I would rather have him on the field learning. I still think this whoe Brunnel thing is a big mistake simply because of the money we gave him Dan Synder again should his VERY bad habit of overpaying for players. This stragety is gonna lead to salary cap hell in about 3 years.

BrunellFan 02-25-2004 12:22 PM

It will be a training camp battle for sure, I just hope Ramsey doesnt become too much of a baby about this. I think the league recognizing him for his toughness and poise is actually a bad thing now, because he's firmly convinced that its his team and that Gibbs is an idiot for taking it away from him. Hopefully Ramsey can show more maturity in this situation.

SkinsRock 02-25-2004 12:22 PM

Gibbs knows that Ramsey is the QB of the future, and has the potential to be a big star in the league, but for this year, he will play the one who earns the job. I'm pulling for Ramsey, but if the competition is close, I can see him giving it to Brunell due to his experience, NOT his contract.

ChounsMan 02-25-2004 12:26 PM

Give me 1 team that doesn't go through salary cap hell every 3 years..? Winning unfortunately costs.

I'm happier knowing that I have an owner that wants to win & has the money to spend, rather then an owner who cares only to keep his financial gain between he & his shareholders.

Bottomline:
Danny Boy has proven he wants to win.
He just needs a guy like Gibbs to teach him how :D

MTK 02-25-2004 12:33 PM

Funny how we've been talking about the team going into "cap hell" for the last 5 years since Danny took over and it's still yet to happen. I look around the league and see several other teams in much worse shape cap wise.

If Danny knows anything it's how to run a business. He's not going to run the team into the ground.

Daseal 02-25-2004 12:34 PM

Most teams that go through Salary Cap hell spend frivilously! Whoops, that's us with two good QBs.

Gmanc711 02-25-2004 12:39 PM

Yeah I agree with Matty. Were actually in fairly decent shape for this offseason, we always seem to find a way to be in good shape ( thusfar ) even with the Big names we pick up somtimes. If Danny can keep us out of cap hell in about 3 years, then i'll really give him his due

Skins fan 44 02-25-2004 01:05 PM

Brunell can only help Ramsey. So in that sense Brunell is worth having in order to make the future (Ramsey) better. I serously doubt Ramsey is going in camp thinking that he is the number 2 qb. Without Burnell Ramsey just coasts along training camp. We will see what Patrick Ramsey is made of come August. And besides what are the chances Brunell will stay injury free? Slim to none, and slim just left.

BleedBurgundy 02-25-2004 01:21 PM

Ramsey's Still The Man
 
My question with the whole trade for Brunell is that he said all along he was only going to a team that was committed to him being the starter. If we believe what coach Gibbs is saying than that's far from decided. I hope they didn't double talk him because we definitely don't need two pissed off quarterbacks in training camp...Personally, I'd rather get an older guy that can win in relief without being as much of a threat to Ramsey's confidence (Maybe coax Chris Chandler out of retirement?) Brunell still has 2-3 years left, does anyone actually believe Ramsey can wait that long to play after taking over last year?

sportscurmudgeon 02-25-2004 01:27 PM

Chounsman:

The team that has won been to the NFC Championship game three straight years has been and remains under the salary cap. (Eagles)

The team that has won two of the last three Super Bowls does not have salary cap hell; they solved their problem by cutting ONE player who would not restructure his contract. (Patriots)

You asked for one team but I gave you two because you asked so politely...

These teams have been deep in the playoffs for 3 years and I kind of think that is what "winning" is about. So tell me again how all the winners have to face salary cap hell while the Redskins neither win nor have to face it?

At the beginning of last season Snyder and Cerrato said at the luncheon that welcomes the Skins to town at the end of training camp that they had this all figured out and that they could "keep this team together for 3 years with or without a salary cap". I was there when Snyder said it and Cerrato "resembled that remark". Forget that you would not have wanted to keep that sorry roster together for three years. They could not have done it if they had wanted to without tossing in a couple of 2-14 seasons!

BleedBurgundy 02-25-2004 01:35 PM

Snyder's isn't learning...
 
Curmudgeon:

3 years ago I would have said Snyder was still learning, hell 2 years ago I would have said that. But now, I'm starting to think he will never get it. I'm very happy to have an owner that is willing to go out and pay for players and coaches who he feels can win but his fantasy football playing is making us look ridiculous year in and year out. Maybe the best thing for Snyder to do, since he obviously cares about the Redskins, is find another owner and sell the team...

azskinsfan2 02-25-2004 07:37 PM

I believe Joe will give both QB's a chance in camp to prove who the starter should be (I think Brunnell will get it for now just because he is a proven veteran). But no QB goes through the season without some injuries and Patrick will get his chance.
As for slamming Snyder again, from what I've seen Jack Kent Cooke spent the money to bring in anyone Gibbs said they needed, only there was no salary cap then. I know Snyder only wants to win, he wants a SuperBowl as much as we do. I don't think there's another owner or potential owner out there who trys harder than him to get that.

itvnetop 02-25-2004 07:43 PM

ramsey is going to see significant playing time this season- either as a starter or when Brunell goes down.

Scott 02-25-2004 10:47 PM

I heard a conversation today about brunell, evidentally in his last 3 seasons as a started he never started all 16 games in the season..now I don't know if this is true, but if so, Ramsey will get his shots...think back to win Schroeder was playing poorly, Doug Williams came in and cleaned house, so well that we traded Schroeder the next year.

Gmanc711 02-25-2004 11:28 PM

Yeah, if Brunell wins the starters job, I am willing to be alot of money, he wont start 16 games.

MTK 02-26-2004 08:24 AM

Rarely does any NFL QB start 16 games and take every snap. So chances are pretty good Ramsey will see action sooner or later.

AnonEmouse 02-26-2004 08:51 AM

OK, maybe we should focus on the positive with Brunell/Ramsey. Wouldn't you rather see someone like Brunell pushing Ramsey on (unlike Hasselbeck) and encouraging him to retake the starters job?

Just consider how many teams (Rams only spring to mind) have 2 starter quality QB's? Would you be happy as a defender seeing Brunell going down only to be replaced by Ramsey?

So many people here and outside the skins fan circle are focussing on a QB controversy instead of looking at all the things this adds to the team.

ChounsMan 02-26-2004 12:51 PM

Bottomline Redskin Fans:

Coach Gibbs is back & I'm sure like his racing team he will find a way to win.

Sheriff Gonna Getcha 02-26-2004 01:16 PM

Matty, you are right that we have not been in salary cap hell (despite what the doomsdayers have said), but we have been unable to sign a large number of quality-depth players (i.e. the Pats) and so whenever injuries arise, we really get hurt (i.e. at CB, DL, QB etc).

The Pats depth is what made them able to overcome a rash of injuries during the season. If we lost 7 starters, we'd be screwed.

JWsleep 02-26-2004 01:24 PM

We are not in salary cap hell, because it sure looks like we'll be able to grab whatever goodies we want yet again this year. Snyder has found a way around the cap, by tossing out huge bonuses out of pocket to allow him to get more cap friendly deals. That Spurrier and co. couldn't make the thing work is not the fault of Snyder and his cap moves. Gibbs and his staff will get the most out of whatever they sign. If they can really build the D in FA, Snyder will have shown that he's figured it out. His problem has been in who he signed (George, Deion) not in the contracts. Given how hyper-active we've been the last few offseasons, why are the Titans imploding, and we're looking to sign Kearse?

JWsleep 02-26-2004 01:27 PM

[QUOTE=Ramseyfan]Matty, you are right that we have not been in salary cap hell (despite what the doomsdayers have said), but we have been unable to sign a large number of quality-depth players (i.e. the Pats) and so whenever injuries arise, we really get hurt (i.e. at CB, DL, QB etc).

The Pats depth is what made them able to overcome a rash of injuries during the season. If we lost 7 starters, we'd be screwed.[/QUOTE] It seems to me that Belicheck (sp?) is the real reason for the pats success. He has a system and he can motivate a defense to stick to it. In the era of free agency, coaches are more valuable than ever. Given Gibbs track record with the 3QBs, etc., I figure we'll be pretty well off. Sometimes depth happens when everyone is totally committed to a cause.

raleighskinsfan 02-26-2004 01:43 PM

I applaud Dan Snyder
 
I wish you guys would get off Dan Snyders back. Has every decision he's made been right? No. Would every decision you guys would've made had you been owner been right? NO. I am glad we have an owner who is willing to go out and make bold moves. If you want an old school owner who sits on his hands every off season, go pull for someone else. Most of the moves we made last year were good ones (i.e. Coles, Randy Thomas, Chad Morton)- indeed he has been begrudgeonly been given credit for changing the restricted free agent landscape. He is getting ready to pull off one of the biggest, if not THE BIGGEST trade in NFL history, and for god's sake, he got JOE GIBBS back! He is doing everything humanly possible, from a passionate owner's standpoint, to bring this team back to glory. I pray he never sells this team!

Phinehas 02-26-2004 01:55 PM

Isn't Kearse just the sort of splashy, big-name player that so many fans get down on Snyder for signing?

I have to admit that I totally do not get the whole Snyder-bashing thing in the first place. Especially not now, when Coach Gibbs is obviously large and in charge. It's kinda funny. When someone doesn't like a move the Redskin's are making this offseason, it gets blamed on "Li'l Danny's" interference. When they do like an offseason maneuver, it gets credited to Coach Gibbs' genius. I'm pretty sure that everything we are seeing is Gibbs' idea and that Snyder is simply doing whatever he can to make it happen. Now, it might not always be that way in the future, but I think that's how it is right now.

Sure, Snyder has made mistakes in the past, but at least he's done so as a passionate 'skins fan trying to make the team successful. I suppose if you've all been 'skins fans your entire life you might not realize how stingy some other owners actually are, or how often they sign players for how many tickets they can sell and not how many wins they put up that season. Personally, I'll take an owner who is passionate, even if it is to a fault at times. If Snyder wasn't Snyder, I doubt that Gibbs would be here today. And when all is said and done, I see more 'skins fans throwing around splashy names on this board than I hear coming out of the front office, even while those same fans criticize Snyder for his love of big-name players.

Just something to think about.

*steps off soapbox*

--Phin

PS: Yeah, what raleighskinsfan said!

skins009 02-26-2004 02:27 PM

If we were in suck good shape, we would have the money to resign Champ. He's gonna be a HUGE loss when he's gone. I"m telling you all that right now. Smoot will not be able to be the number one corner.

redwagonskins 02-26-2004 02:37 PM

GET THIS THROUGH YOUR HEAD: CHAMP DOESN"T WANT TO BE HERE! If he did, he would have taken the contract at the beginning of the year. He wants around $8 mill per, thats 10% of the total cap!! Get over it, he's gone now let's concentrate on what it's going to take to fill in the holes.

Riggo44 02-26-2004 03:02 PM

[QUOTE=Mattyk72]Funny how we've been talking about the team going into "cap hell" for the last 5 years since Danny took over and it's still yet to happen. I look around the league and see several other teams in much worse shape cap wise.

If Danny knows anything it's how to run a business. He's not going to run the team into the ground.[/QUOTE]

No kidding enough of the Danny boy bashing. He's done a pretty good job.

MTK 02-26-2004 05:25 PM

[QUOTE=redwagonskins]GET THIS THROUGH YOUR HEAD: CHAMP DOESN"T WANT TO BE HERE! If he did, he would have taken the contract at the beginning of the year. He wants around $8 mill per, thats 10% of the total cap!! Get over it, he's gone now let's concentrate on what it's going to take to fill in the holes.[/QUOTE]
That's the thing that alot of people, including alot of the media who love to bash the Skins are convienently overlooking...the fact that Champ wants out.

I'm sorry but the deal he was offered was very fair. If we upped the offer critics would laugh and say we over paid, we can't win either way.

johnnyredskin63 02-26-2004 05:33 PM

CHUMP,do'nt let the door hit ya where the lord split ya.
 
i for one will not miss champ,it's clear he never intended to be a lifelong redskin.his offer was way past fair,it was insanely fair.have confidence in the coaching staff,unlike the past dc's,williams knows what he's doing. :)

Gmanc711 02-26-2004 05:39 PM

I'm the same way, I like those guys who are gonna be die hard skins. I mean, Champ was never a bad guy or anything, he had skill and never caused trouble, but he didnt wanna be here so oh well.

johnnyredskin63 02-26-2004 05:45 PM

it was clear he was not going to be part of the solution,that made him part of the problem.so we had to say goodbye to the best coverman in the league,we'll get over it.portis is one hell of a back,who could easily have back to back seasons with this offense.i say they got screwed not us.

hank64 02-26-2004 05:50 PM

I think somebody here said something to the effect of "look at it this way, we're getting Portis for a second rounder". Champ was going to go anyway, so all that needed to be discussed was compensation, and our comp is a 1500 yard, 22 year old who could light up defenses under Gibbs.

RFKRat 02-26-2004 11:37 PM

Well said Hank. I like the compensation....


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