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The Goat 06-07-2012 11:39 PM

Signing Ochocinco: Te gusta?
 
[url=http://www.washingtonpost.com/sports/redskins/patriots-release-wide-receiver-chad-ochocinco/2012/06/07/gJQAJbqHMV_story.html]Patriots release wide receiver Chad Ochocinco - The Washington Post[/url]

He'd immediately be the 2nd biggest talent/threat after Moss (Tana gets the edge because he knows the system/playbook). Ochocinco was quiet and obedient under Belichick, why would it be any different under Shanahan?

I vote si, amigos, a proven veteran WR es muy bien :)

los panda 06-07-2012 11:41 PM

Re: Signing Ochocinco: Te gusta?
 
no thanks, no interest at all. i'd rather have burress, and i don't want burress

The Goat 06-07-2012 11:43 PM

Re: Signing Ochocinco: Te gusta?
 
[quote=los panda;920547]no thanks, no interest at all. i'd rather have burress, and i don't want burress[/quote]

I'd take Burress. Again instantly the second best talent/threat on the roster...

CultBrennan59 06-07-2012 11:57 PM

Re: Signing Ochocinco: Te gusta?
 
No, lets give 2 1sts to the Patriots for him :)

Hog1 06-08-2012 12:06 AM

Re: Signing Ochocinco: Te gusta?
 
Maybe we should try to build for the future from our own squad of 28 recievers.....under contract?

SFREDSKIN 06-08-2012 12:10 AM

Re: Signing Ochocinco: Te gusta?
 
No room for him plus he's washed up.

DynamiteRave 06-08-2012 12:18 AM

Re: Signing Ochocinco: Te gusta?
 
He's not who he used to be receiving wise. I wouldn't go so far to say he's a locker room cancer anymore, but still seems a bit too nutty for my likes.

I think we're pretty set at WR anyway. Bunch of young guys, plenty of room for growth and guys who have an upside.

REDSKINS4ever 06-08-2012 01:00 AM

Re: Signing Ochocinco: Te gusta?
 
Aren't the Redskins trying to get younger??? I'd rather develop Aldrick Robinson and Terrence Austin. Chad Johnson isn't washed up by any means, but I doubt seriously if he would fit in the Redskins plans. Johnson is an aging wide receiver.

los panda 06-08-2012 01:05 AM

Re: Signing Ochocinco: Te gusta?
 
i dare to say that he is washed up

REDSKINS4ever 06-08-2012 01:10 AM

Re: Signing Ochocinco: Te gusta?
 
[quote=los panda;920564]i dare to say that he is washed up[/quote]

He just had one bad season. Bellichick felt it was better to move on without him. Chad Johnson just didn't learn the system. It just wasn't suited for him. Don't be surprised if Johnson moves on to another team and plays like he did in Cincinatti.

The Goat 06-08-2012 01:17 AM

Re: Signing Ochocinco: Te gusta?
 
[quote=REDSKINS4ever;920566]He just had one bad season. Bellichick felt it was better to move on without him. Chad Johnson just didn't learn the system. It just wasn't suited for him. Don't be surprised if Johnson moves on to another team and plays like he did in Cincinatti.[/quote]

Agreed. Ocho never looked comfortable out there with NE, and I think part of the story is system. The other part is Brady snubbed him IMHO. Of the few NE games I watched last season every one saw Ocho open and Brady move on to another target. I actually think this story was under-reported, maybe never reported lol. But that's kind of a NE Patriots thing anyway.

If Ocho fits a system and has some rapport w/ the QB he'll reemerge as a big threat.

...and through all his past nonsense, isn't it clear the dude loves to ball? His narcissism is second to his passion for the game.

los panda 06-08-2012 02:07 AM

Re: Signing Ochocinco: Te gusta?
 
[quote=REDSKINS4ever;920566]He just had one bad season. Bellichick felt it was better to move on without him. Chad Johnson just didn't learn the system. It just wasn't suited for him. Don't be surprised if Johnson moves on to another team and plays like he did in Cincinatti.[/quote]67 rec, 831 yards, 4 tds? i will be surprised if he has 67 rec and 831 yards again - 4 tds maaayyybe...
he had a 2011 jabar gaffney season for himself in 2010
but he did break 1,000 yards and catch 9 tds 3 years ago

EARTHQUAKE2689 06-08-2012 02:52 AM

Re: Signing Ochocinco: Te gusta?
 
[quote=The Goat;920546][url=http://www.washingtonpost.com/sports/redskins/patriots-release-wide-receiver-chad-ochocinco/2012/06/07/gJQAJbqHMV_story.html]Patriots release wide receiver Chad Ochocinco - The Washington Post[/url]

[B]He'd immediately be the 2nd biggest talent/threat after Moss (Tana gets the edge because he knows the system/playbook). Ochocinco was quiet and obedient under Belichick, why would it be any different under Shanahan?[/B]

I vote si, amigos, a proven veteran WR es muy bien :)[/quote]

Now that id just pure garbage.

SBXVII 06-08-2012 03:43 AM

Re: Signing Ochocinco: Te gusta?
 
I wonder if you would have gotten a different response if you used French or German instead?

Part of me says no cause of his age and whatever reason he failed in NE, the other part tells me he was probably snubbed because he wasn't inconspicuous enough for the team. We all know the HC hates players who give interviews, Tweet, or whatever. I just wonder if CJ is allowed to be CJ if he will put up some numbers.

I think I'd bring him in for a workout and if he didn't command too much money after his bad year then MS should or might think about it. Besides hey are still being extra carefully with Hankerson for fear he will reinsure the hip and if he does .......then we might start looking at him like another Kelly, a player who never stayed healthy. We definitely need a replacement.

SBXVII 06-08-2012 03:48 AM

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Besides we can have 90 players on the team right now so make a decision on who the Kicker will be or cut one of the long shots. See how CJ plays and if he's making progress I this system and at cut down time decide if he knows enough of the playbook and if he is having any connection with RG3 and if not cut him. That alone screws Dallas who might be looking at him to be their number 3 WR.

mooby 06-08-2012 06:03 AM

Re: Signing Ochocinco: Te gusta?
 
[quote=The Goat;920546][url=http://www.washingtonpost.com/sports/redskins/patriots-release-wide-receiver-chad-ochocinco/2012/06/07/gJQAJbqHMV_story.html]Patriots release wide receiver Chad Ochocinco - The Washington Post[/url]

He'd immediately be the 2nd biggest talent/threat after Moss (Tana gets the edge because he knows the system/playbook). Ochocinco was quiet and obedient under Belichick, why would it be any different under Shanahan?

I vote si, amigos, a proven veteran WR es muy bien :)[/quote]

Te gusta? No me gusta.

Lotus 06-08-2012 07:06 AM

Re: Signing Ochocinco: Te gusta?
 
85 washed up in New England because he didn't learn the playbook. Didn't learn where to line up. Didn't learn how to run the routes. Didn't learn proper timing. That's why Brady didn't find him when he was open - Brady had no reason to trust him.

We don't need that attitude/performance on our team.

Chico23231 06-08-2012 07:06 AM

Re: Signing Ochocinco: Te gusta?
 
[quote=Lotus;920579]85 washed up in New England because he didn't learn the playbook. Didn't learn where to line up. Didn't learn how to run the routes. Didn't learn proper timing. That's why Brady didn't find him when he was open - Brady had no reason to trust him.

We don't need that attitude/performance on our team.[/quote]

te gusta

Monksdown 06-08-2012 07:10 AM

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No, I would sign Chad Johnson, not Ochocinco. The Patriots are becoming the last stop for every has-been, like we used to be. The difference is they dont pay them like we did.

No No No. And if you've watched football in the last 4 years you would know that he would be [B]maybe[/B] 5th in talent on our team at that position, [B]maybe[/B].

SmootSmack 06-08-2012 07:30 AM

Re: Signing Ochocinco: Te gusta?
 
I think OchoCinco is awesome, on and of the field. But he's less awesome now than a couple of years ago on the field.

But anyhow, no I don't want him here. For where are we are and where we're going I'm not sure why we would get upset over losing Gaffney and want Ocho, but not want to give Hankerson an opportunity or grow with RGIII, Morgan, and Garcon.

MTK 06-08-2012 07:59 AM

Re: Signing Ochocinco: Te gusta?
 
Where's Schneed when you need him.

freddyg12 06-08-2012 08:37 AM

Re: Signing Ochocinco: Te gusta?
 
I'm happy to see that most on the board aren't in favor of signing him or other old vets like him. As recently as 3 years ago, signing a big name 15 year vet would draw much more debate. I agree w/those that say, develop the young guys!

Ruhskins 06-08-2012 08:51 AM

Re: Signing Ochocinco: Te gusta?
 
Given how Shanahan likes to have 30 WRs at camp, it wouldn't surprise me if we picked him up. Personally I don't think it would be the worst thing in the world if we did pick him up, because I would just see him as a camp body.

As someone said before, Ocho is a pretty dedicated guy to football and his antics are nowadays more funny than annoying. In terms of football, he's just past his prime and would be just another camp body anywhere he lands. He's not going to be taking away any reps or opportunities from anyone, unless he miraculously returns to his old form.

Chico23231 06-08-2012 09:00 AM

Re: Signing Ochocinco: Te gusta?
 
[quote=Ruhskins;920605]Given how Shanahan likes to have 30 WRs at camp, it wouldn't surprise me if we picked him up. Personally I don't think it would be the worst thing in the world if we did pick him up, because I would just see him as a camp body.

As someone said before, [B]Ocho is a pretty dedicated guy to football [/B]and his antics are nowadays more funny than annoying. In terms of football, he's just past his prime and would be just another camp body anywhere he lands. He's not going to be taking away any reps or opportunities from anyone, unless he miraculously returns to his old form.[/quote]

He showed up to OTA and immediately lined up in the wrong place and Branch had to tell him where he should be on the field. The knock on his stint in New England was he never took the time to learn the playbook...so i dont know how you could surmise he is dedicated to football. He clearly enjoys reality tv and being in the media spotlight...we have no use for a guy like this on our team at this point.

MTK 06-08-2012 09:11 AM

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Let's see, a 34 year old WR with his best days clearly behind him, coming off a horrible year in which he couldn't learn the offense and get on the same page with one of the best QBs of all time.

I'm failing to see where this makes any sort of sense.

sandtrapjack 06-08-2012 09:15 AM

Re: Signing Ochocinco: Te gusta?
 
[quote=The Goat;920546][url=http://www.washingtonpost.com/sports/redskins/patriots-release-wide-receiver-chad-ochocinco/2012/06/07/gJQAJbqHMV_story.html]Patriots release wide receiver Chad Ochocinco - The Washington Post[/url]

[B]He'd immediately be the 2nd biggest talent/threat after Moss[/B] (Tana gets the edge because he knows the system/playbook). Ochocinco was quiet and obedient under Belichick, why would it be any different under Shanahan?

I vote si, amigos, a proven veteran WR es muy bien :)[/quote]
If he was as good as that statement indicates, he would have never been released.

If by saying this you mean he would be a lock at #2 on the Redskins, that is not saying much for the WR corps at all.

85 will work again, somewhere. But at a shadow of what he used to be.

Ruhskins 06-08-2012 09:27 AM

Re: Signing Ochocinco: Te gusta?
 
[quote=Chico23231;920607]He showed up to OTA and immediately lined up in the wrong place and Branch had to tell him where he should be on the field. The knock on his stint in New England was he never took the time to learn the playbook...so i dont know how you could surmise he is dedicated to football. He clearly enjoys reality tv and being in the media spotlight...[B]we have no use for a guy like this on our team at this point.[/B][/quote]

I said that if he's picked up, he'd be just a camp body...and honestly that's what he'd be anywhere else in the NFL. While I don't think he's as good as The Goat made him out to be, I just said that it wouldn't surprise me if he ended up here as a camp body, since we seem to bring a ton of WRs.

However, he might go the way of TO and not get picked up at all, so no reason for people to get their panties in a bunch.

mooby 06-08-2012 09:33 AM

Re: Signing Ochocinco: Te gusta?
 
[quote=The Goat;920546][URL="http://www.washingtonpost.com/sports/redskins/patriots-release-wide-receiver-chad-ochocinco/2012/06/07/gJQAJbqHMV_story.html"]Patriots release wide receiver Chad Ochocinco - The Washington Post[/URL]

[B]He'd immediately be the 2nd biggest talent/threat after Moss[/B] (Tana gets the edge because he knows the system/playbook). Ochocinco was quiet and obedient under Belichick, why would it be any different under Shanahan?

I vote si, amigos, a proven veteran WR es muy bien :)[/quote]

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DvOHbxBAEN8]i like you, but you're crazy. - YouTube[/ame]

Chico23231 06-08-2012 09:41 AM

Re: Signing Ochocinco: Te gusta?
 
[quote=Ruhskins;920618]I said that if he's picked up, he'd be just a camp body...and honestly that's what he'd be anywhere else in the NFL. While I don't think he's as good as The Goat made him out to be, I just said that it wouldn't surprise me if he ended up here as a camp body, since we seem to bring a ton of WRs.

However, he might go the way of TO and not get picked up at all, so no reason for people to get their panties in a bunch.[/quote]

If it was up to The Goat, are starting WRs would be Gaffney and Ochocinco and Santana in the slot. Pierre Garcon would be playing in Canada.

Ruhskins 06-08-2012 09:42 AM

Re: Signing Ochocinco: Te gusta?
 
[quote=Chico23231;920623]If it was up to The Goat, are starting WRs would be Gaffney and Ochocinco and Santana in the slot. Pierre Garcon would be playing in Canada.[/quote]

:rofl:

mlmpetert 06-08-2012 09:46 AM

Re: Signing Ochocinco: Te gusta?
 
No way Jose.

Was there ever an issue between Chad and Carson Palmer? Wouldnt the Raiders make the most sense right now?

BigHairedAristocrat 06-08-2012 09:57 AM

Wide receiver is our strongest unit at the moment. We are going to cut players better than ocho cinco. so no, no me gusto

hooskins 06-08-2012 10:14 AM

[QUOTE=Mattyk;920610]Let's see, a 34 year old WR with his best days clearly behind him, coming off a horrible year in which he couldn't learn the offense and get on the same page with one of the best QBs of all time.

I'm failing to see where this makes any sort of sense.[/QUOTE]

Don't sit here and dish out logic from your ivory moderator tower! Pssh, you and sense.

Monksdown 06-08-2012 10:19 AM

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This thread has a suspicious Vinny flavor to it. VC, are you still starting sh-t?

imaskin4life 06-08-2012 10:41 AM

Re: Signing Ochocinco: Te gusta?
 
No. I'm not a fan of older WRs. While they may be wiser, they are slower. I don't care what other qualities you have or what kind of career you had in the past if you can't separate from defenders now. NO.

SBXVII 06-08-2012 10:42 AM

Re: Signing Ochocinco: Te gusta?
 
[quote=Ruhskins;920605]Given how Shanahan likes to have 30 WRs at camp, it wouldn't surprise me if we picked him up. Personally I don't think it would be the worst thing in the world if we did pick him up, because I would just see him as a camp body.

As someone said before, Ocho is a pretty dedicated guy to football and his antics are nowadays more funny than annoying. In terms of football, he's just past his prime and would be just another camp body anywhere he lands. He's not going to be taking away any reps or opportunities from anyone, unless he miraculously returns to his old form.[/quote]

and this is pretty much my point. Out of however many WR's we got it seems Moss, Garcon, and Morgan are going to be the topic, the rest are just camp fodder. I like AA and he might make some noise. Hankerson I hope comes out blazing and showing again what he can do, BUT.... I also worry that perhaps he has the same injury again, reinjures whatever. I've heard of ankle, knee, calf, ham string, foot, toe, etc. etc. but for some reason I've hardly heard of his hip injury and needing surgery does not sound like to me like an injury that after surgery his hip and muscles around his hip will be stronger. Probably just me.

In any event CJ/Ocho in his old age might just be camp fodder, might actually be better then the 5th guy we don't know. But if it comes down to him or the 5th guy I want the best man on the field.

SBXVII 06-08-2012 10:47 AM

Re: Signing Ochocinco: Te gusta?
 
[quote=Mattyk;920610]Let's see, a 34 year old WR with his best days clearly behind him, coming off a horrible year in which he couldn't learn the offense and get on the same page with one of the best QBs of all time.

I'm failing to see where this makes any sort of sense.[/quote]

One could ask the same thing about Randy Moss. But supposedly he's killing it in San Fran.

I'm all for the young guys. I'm just saying that if it comes down to a UDFA WR or CJ? I might take CJ or atleast give him a shot. I wouldn't give him a 3 or 4 year contract banking money. It would almost be a T.O. type deal where he gets maybe a one year deal to prove himself just above vet min. That way the team can cut him if he fails to produce or keep him if it turns out he gets our system and thrives a little.

SBXVII 06-08-2012 10:51 AM

Re: Signing Ochocinco: Te gusta?
 
[quote=sandtrapjack;920613]If he was as good as that statement indicates, he would have never been released.

If by saying this you mean he would be a lock at #2 on the Redskins, that is not saying much for the WR corps at all.

85 will work again, somewhere. But at a shadow of what he used to be.[/quote]

Watch what you wish for....
[url=http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/06/07/taking-a-look-at-ochocincos-potential-suitors/]Taking a look at Ochocinco’s potential suitors | ProFootballTalk[/url]

[quote]
Dallas Cowboys: So desperate for a No. 3 receiver that even T.O.ís name has emerged in very soft whispers, Chad could be the best available complement to [URL="http://www.rotoworld.com/player/nfl/4059/miles-austin"][B][COLOR=#000000]Miles Austin[/COLOR][/B][/URL] and [URL="http://www.rotoworld.com/player/nfl/5558/dez-bryant"][B][COLOR=#000000]Dez Bryant[/COLOR][/B][/URL].
[/quote]

MTK 06-08-2012 10:53 AM

Re: Signing Ochocinco: Te gusta?
 
[quote=SBXVII;920641]One could ask the same thing about Randy Moss. But supposedly he's killing it in San Fran.

I'm all for the young guys. I'm just saying that if it comes down to a UDFA WR or CJ? I might take CJ or atleast give him a shot. I wouldn't give him a 3 or 4 year contract banking money. It would almost be a T.O. type deal where he gets maybe a one year deal to prove himself just above vet min. That way the team can cut him if he fails to produce or keep him if it turns out he gets our system and thrives a little.[/quote]

Killing it in May and June doesn't mean much. Let's see Moss get it done for 16 games.

Why would it come down to an UDFA or Ocho? Our 4th or 5th WR is likely to be guys like Armstrong, Austin, or Robinson.

Ocho makes little sense here.

MTK 06-08-2012 10:57 AM

Re: Signing Ochocinco: Te gusta?
 
[quote=SBXVII;920640]and this is pretty much my point. Out of however many WR's we got it seems Moss, Garcon, and Morgan are going to be the topic, the rest are just camp fodder. I like AA and he might make some noise. Hankerson I hope comes out blazing and showing again what he can do, BUT.... I also worry that perhaps he has the same injury again, reinjures whatever. I've heard of ankle, knee, calf, ham string, foot, toe, etc. etc. but for some reason [B]I've hardly heard of his hip injury and needing surgery does not sound like to me like an injury that after surgery his hip and muscles around his hip will be stronger. Probably just me. [/B]

In any event CJ/Ocho in his old age might just be camp fodder, might actually be better then the 5th guy we don't know. But if it comes down to him or the 5th guy I want the best man on the field.[/quote]

Yeah probably just you Doc.

A hip labral tear isn't anything out of the ordinary.


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