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RedskinRat 12-19-2012 11:51 AM

Surveillance - How much is too much?
 
An interesting article related to the gun control issue.

[URL="http://chronicle.com/article/Why-Privacy-Matters-Even-if/127461/"]Nothing to Hide?[/URL]

[I]When the government gathers or analyzes personal information, many people say they're not worried. "I've got nothing to hide," they declare. "Only if you're doing something wrong should you worry, and then you don't deserve to keep it private."[/I]
[I]The nothing-to-hide argument pervades discussions about privacy. The data-security expert Bruce Schneier calls it the "most common retort against privacy advocates." The legal scholar Geoffrey Stone refers to it as an "all-too-common refrain." In its most compelling form, it is an argument that the privacy interest is generally minimal, thus making the contest with security concerns a foreordained victory for security.[/I]

firstdown 12-19-2012 11:58 AM

Re: Surveillance - How much is too much?
 
Have a few kids and you have no privacy.

hooskins 12-19-2012 12:12 PM

I think the petreus case is a perfect example. The online privacy act is way outdated and needs to be reformed. Interestingly enough, I think this is something pure liberals and conservatives would agree on. However, Republicans and Democrats like the way things are. Its some big brother ish man.

Also don't get me started on drone surveillance. Sure it's great for mapping land, finding lost hikers, etc. but man what a slippery slope.

RedskinRat 12-19-2012 12:26 PM

Re: Surveillance - How much is too much?
 
Most of [URL="http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2012/dec/10/homeland-security-increasingly-loaning-drones-to-l/"]local law enforcement[/URL] are increasingly adopting this tool. I have no problem with it but it's only the thin end of the wedge.

[I]The Washington Guardian has confirmed, DHS and its Customs and Border Protection agency have deployed drones — originally bought to guard America’s borders — to assist local law enforcement and other federal agencies on several occasions.

The practice is raising questions inside and outside government about whether federal officials may be creating an ad-hoc, loan-a-drone program without formal rules for engagement, privacy protection or taxpayer reimbursements. The drones used by CPB can cost between $15 million and $34 million each to buy, and have hourly operational costs as well.[/I]

Ah, Skynet, how I long for your warm embrace....

Hey, does anyone else smell napalm?

Daseal 12-19-2012 03:57 PM

Re: Surveillance - How much is too much?
 
Privacy is a real issue right now. Part of the problem is our politicians lack the ability to really understand new technology. Secondly, law enforcement pushes very hard to keep vague laws on the books. Fighting to make sure they can read my e-mail without a warrant is insane. Even smaller things such as speed/red light cameras greatly bother me.

dmek25 12-19-2012 04:15 PM

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[URL="http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2009/sep/10/lancaster-surveillance-cameras"]Surveillance cameras in Lancaster, Pennsylvania prompt privacy concerns | World news | guardian.co.uk[/URL]

they dont bother me, if they deter crime

RedskinRat 12-19-2012 04:24 PM

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[quote=dmek25;977963][URL="http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2009/sep/10/lancaster-surveillance-cameras"]Surveillance cameras in Lancaster, Pennsylvania prompt privacy concerns | World news | guardian.co.uk[/URL]

they dont bother me, if they deter crime[/quote]

If I haven't done anything wrong why am I being watched?

[I]A January study by the University of California found that cameras did not reduce homicide in San Francisco but did help reduce the number of burglaries and some thefts. A New York University study found that cameras did not do much to deter crime in some public housing projects.

[/I]Great! My shit is safe but life is not.

Chico23231 02-07-2013 08:15 PM

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[url=http://www.usnews.com/news/articles/2013/02/05/city-in-virginia-becomes-first-to-pass-anti-drone-legislation-]City in Virginia Becomes First to Pass Anti-Drone Legislation - US News and World Report[/url]

[url=http://hamptonroads.com/2013/02/assembly-approves-moratorium-drones-virginia]Assembly approves moratorium on drones in Virginia | HamptonRoads.com | PilotOnline.com[/url]

F U C K the government using drones to spy on its own citizens. This is a hot topic here, I think its criminal for the government to use these intrusive tools.

firstdown 02-08-2013 12:04 AM

Re: Surveillance - How much is too much?
 
[quote=Chico23231;993627][URL="http://www.usnews.com/news/articles/2013/02/05/city-in-virginia-becomes-first-to-pass-anti-drone-legislation-"]City in Virginia Becomes First to Pass Anti-Drone Legislation - US News and World Report[/URL]

[URL="http://hamptonroads.com/2013/02/assembly-approves-moratorium-drones-virginia"]Assembly approves moratorium on drones in Virginia | HamptonRoads.com | PilotOnline.com[/URL]

F U C K the government using drones to spy on its own citizens. This is a hot topic here, I think its criminal for the government to use these intrusive tools.[/quote]

Drones to spy on us? Obama feels he has the right to use them on Amercans and anyone else around the world. Funny the left jumped up and down about things Bush did but the have been pretty quite about this.

punch it in 02-08-2013 12:49 AM

[QUOTE=firstdown;993653]Drones to spy on us? Obama feels he has the right to use them on Amercans and anyone else around the world. Funny the left jumped up and down about things Bush did but the have been pretty quite about this.[/QUOTE]

If youre doing anything that might be of interest to a drone than you probably have bigger concerns than the use of drones in the first place. I mean honestly - if they can find a missing kid, stop a terrorist attack, or prevent some other catastrophe than im all for it. I dont think they are looking to see who is lighting up a j in their car or something. Lol.

CRedskinsRule 02-08-2013 01:52 AM

[QUOTE=punch it in;993655]If youre doing anything that might be of interest to a drone than you probably have bigger concerns than the use of drones in the first place. I mean honestly - if they can find a missing kid, stop a terrorist attack, or prevent some other catastrophe than im all for it. I dont think they are looking to see who is lighting up a j in their car or something. Lol.[/QUOTE]
their primary mission may be valid, though that's debatable, but once the government collects and catalogs that data it is a near certainty it will be used for other purposes as well.

hooskins 02-08-2013 02:50 AM

[QUOTE=firstdown;993653]Drones to spy on us? Obama feels he has the right to use them on Amercans and anyone else around the world. Funny the left jumped up and down about things Bush did but the have been pretty quite about this.[/QUOTE]

Depends on who you're talking about. I've always been against it. Romney supports it too

punch it in 02-08-2013 02:56 AM

[QUOTE=CRedskinsRule;993658]their primary mission may be valid, though that's debatable, but once the government collects and catalogs that data it is a near certainty it will be used for other purposes as well.[/QUOTE]

Like what for example? Oh and dont worry about them seeing you answer that - they will never de-code our usernames. Lol
Seriously - im not a big fan of the govrrnment for alot of reasons, but other than their "primary mission" any other theories are a tad bit paranoid futuristic robots enslaving the human race for me. They can catalog whatever the hell they want. Im not hiding anything.
Edit: bottom line is that the "nothing to hide" article is based on the premise that the government is concerned with the everyday life of - well - me? Even if they did catch me whacking off to granny porn, what the hell are they going to do put a snapshot of it up in times square? Let em. Lol. The whole big brother thing is so 1984.

Chico23231 02-08-2013 10:14 AM

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[quote=firstdown;993653][B]Drones to spy on us[/B]? Obama feels he has the right to use them on Amercans and anyone else around the world. Funny the left jumped up and down about things Bush did but the have been pretty quite about this.[/quote]

Yes, unauthorized surveillance where you do not know your being watched. This is not security camera where you know your possibily being monitored. Its spying. Its bullshit...its funny that the ACLU AND the Tea Party are on the same side of the issue on this.

Your point of Obama and killing terriots who are American outside the country have nothing to do with this issue. But keep the blinders on.

Chico23231 02-08-2013 10:15 AM

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;993658]their primary mission may be valid, though that's debatable, but once the government collects and catalogs that data it is a near certainty it will be used for other purposes as well.[/quote]

bingo, police, government always search for loopholes to screw people. Its the American way.


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