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12thMan 01-03-2013 01:07 PM

Is there room for Orakpo and Rob Jackson?
 
At the very least, Rob Jackson has played himself into a new contract offer somewhere. Hopefully here. How can Jim Haslett take these two talented players and make them co-exist on the field.

Unless I've missed something, Brian Orakpo does not have one interception as a Washington Redskin. Rob Jackson has four this season and one for a touchdown.

My question is, are we so wedded to the idea of keeping Orakpo no matter what? Has he been [I][B]that[/B][/I] valuable to the team? His sack total has declined since his first season and he's nothing to write home about in pass coverage. By keeping both players, are we limiting one or the other's potential impact on the team?

skinsfan69 01-03-2013 01:11 PM

Re: Is there room for Orakpo and Rob Jackson?
 
I think Orakpo should be the starter. Yes Jackson has made some very nice plays but Rak is the better player. Well, I should say he's a better pass rusher. But it's good to see someone that's been here a while get a chance to play and do well while he's in there.

los panda 01-03-2013 01:11 PM

Re: Is there room for Orakpo and Rob Jackson?
 
there is room for both.

rob jackson's stat line has benefited from the entire defense raising their game. i'm sure orakpo would have done the same, they're both able to make big plays.

mooby 01-03-2013 01:13 PM

Re: Is there room for Orakpo and Rob Jackson?
 
Excellent question and definitely something that will be an issue after this season. Personally I think we let Jackson walk. He has played his way into starter money, which he will undoubtedly want, along with being a starter on another team. And there's just no way to keep them both on the field at the same time, unless we shift one of them (probably Jackson) to MLB, which I don't see happening. And even then he wouldn't be starting until Fletch retires/gets let go.

What I could see happening is us getting a trade offer for Orakpo, probably from a 4-3 team, and that making our decision a lot easier. If not, Orakpo stays, Jackson goes. There's just no room for both of them. The big thing here is what coaches value more, a linebacker who's good in coverage, or a linebacker who's good at rushing the passer. Usually it's the latter that wins out.

12thMan 01-03-2013 01:14 PM

Re: Is there room for Orakpo and Rob Jackson?
 
You can't just say the defense has raised it's game in vacuum. Rob Jackson is a big part of that reason. You can't dismiss that. And when Orakpo was starting the Redskins were abysmal in the turnover category.

Are we conflating better athlete with better football player?

SFREDSKIN 01-03-2013 01:14 PM

Re: Is there room for Orakpo and Rob Jackson?
 
Of course there is, if it wasn't for his backup depth the skins would be screwed. There's always room for great players.

GridIron26 01-03-2013 01:15 PM

Re: Is there room for Orakpo and Rob Jackson?
 
In my opinion, it's really imperative for us to try resign Jackson. No I don't think we would limit both's potential impact on the team if we keep both. Our defense experienced decline in pass rush once Orakpo went down. Orakpo is better at pressuring QB than Jackson is, however Jackson makes plays that Orakpo doesn't. If Orakpo or Kerrigan goes down next season, Jackson can fill in immediately and there will not be a significant decline in defense performance.

To maximize both potential impact for our defense is to play them both, along with Kerrigan. After what I have seen how creative Haslett is with defense looks, I have 100% confidence in Haslett's ability to maximize all players' potential.

Chico23231 01-03-2013 01:16 PM

Re: Is there room for Orakpo and Rob Jackson?
 
cant let Jackson just walk after his play this year. no way, unless you want to experience Antonio Pierce all over again. He creates way too many turnovers, gotta keep him and give him some snaps.

Mattyk 01-03-2013 01:18 PM

Re: Is there room for Orakpo and Rob Jackson?
 
I don't think Jackson has played himself into a starter type, big money contract. If someone wants to give him that, so be it. I think we can keep him for a decent deal.

12thMan 01-03-2013 01:18 PM

Re: Is there room for Orakpo and Rob Jackson?
 
Mooby, so we're kinda on the same page here. Orakpo is 26 years old, Rob Jackson is 27 years old. I'm not saying we should, but I'm curious what's the market going to demand for Jackson's services and how much cheaper would that be for Orakpo's current deal.

Also, seems to me guys like Jackson end up playing for the Giants or Philly.

Paintrain 01-03-2013 01:20 PM

Re: Is there room for Orakpo and Rob Jackson?
 
Speaking from purely a football sense, there is definitely room for both of them on the roster as well as in the defense. Rak is, and should be, the starter. He's stronger, faster, rushes the passer better and is a player the offense has to account for on every play. You could see the impact on Kerrigan's effectiveness immediately after Rak went down.

If they both return next year, it could be more of a rotation with Jackson or inserting Jackson into more sub packages to have both of them on the field at the same time. Rather than coming out of a two point stance, Rak could be a DE with Jackson standing up behind him or vice versa. There's plenty of ways for both to be effective and max their talents.

Financially I'm not sure how it would work. While Jackson has carved out a nice niche, I'm not sure he played himself into starter money or even into a starting position on most teams. He's very limited in his pass rushing ability and we're probably seeing his ceiling as a player, which is really good in the proper role. He's a Vrabel type player that winning teams need. Not a stud but someone who excels in his role and won't hurt you when he's on the field.

Chico23231 01-03-2013 01:20 PM

Re: Is there room for Orakpo and Rob Jackson?
 
One thing with Orakpo is you dont extend him at this point with that type of injury. Let him play his contract out next year to prove he can stay on the field. Thats the real question in my mind when talking about the two.

los panda 01-03-2013 01:20 PM

Re: Is there room for Orakpo and Rob Jackson?
 
[quote=12thMan;983234]You can't just say the defense has raised it's game in vacuum. Rob Jackson is a big part of that reason. You can't dismiss that. And when Orakpo was starting the Redskins were abysmal in the turnover category.

Are we conflating better athlete with better football player?[/quote]no doubt jackson is a big part of the improvement.

also can't simply cite that when orakpo was in, turnovers were few and far between.

the play of the entire 11 on defense doesn't solely depend on 1 olb.
they're both very able to make plays, in different ways. there is room for both

12thMan 01-03-2013 01:20 PM

Re: Is there room for Orakpo and Rob Jackson?
 
[quote=Mattyk;983238]I don't think Jackson has played himself into a starter type, big money contract. If someone wants to give him that, so be it. I think we can keep him for a decent deal.[/quote]

Yeah, I'm not convinced he's going to command a huge salary on the market either. He'll probably test the waters but staying with a playoff team has to appeal to him.

Alvin Walton 01-03-2013 01:22 PM

Re: Is there room for Orakpo and Rob Jackson?
 
Keep both of them.
Period.


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