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Chico23231 02-13-2013 08:11 PM

Secondary is a Primary
 
concern going into the offseason. How do we rebuild? Who do we keep or get rid of? What players do we bring in? We go through free agency or draft? We are limited but the cap penalty, but they are ways to still add talent to a unit that was inconsistent at best. Yes adding Orakpo and AC on the pass rush will help but I think we come back with a couple new starters. What sayth the mob as one poster used to say

CB

I think the number issue facing us is what to do with D Hall. Hes another year older and has a massive cap number that if we cut we pay a limited penalty. Id say its time to move on. No restructure, no moving to safety.

Josh Wilson was inconsistent but in the last year of his contract with a relative small number. Id say let him play out the contract. He still can come up with big plays.

Crawford and Minnifield need to continue to develop. Keep both around for the 4 and 5th CB positions.

Id say we use FA to bring in another guy at a affordable contract. Sam Shields and Leo McKelvin could be two guys worth giving a look too. McKelvin been mentioned by SS, think its not a bad add. Shields decent, he can cover the slot receiver pretty well.

I also use the 2nd round pick on a player like Trufant, Poyer, or Rhodes. Letm compete for a starter position or at least the slot. Gives us someone else young to develop before Wilson leaves next year.

Safety

I believe we should keep Merrieweather around another year at Strong Safety. We saw a glimpse and he played very well in the preseason and the 1 game I believe he started. Reed D played his ass off this year, mos def the best Ive ever seen him play. Hes under contract and we should letm stick around. I think Gomes and Bernstein also are safety options but see both as Strong and not Free. One should be able to stick and contribute on special teams.

Free Safety needs an obvious upgrade. Id look to the draft here. The safety position is deeper than Kim KsIts really amazing. Reid, Swearinger, Rambo, Cyprien, Jefferson, Duke, Thomas etc. it goes on and on. Take the 3rd round pick and grab someone. M Williams is done, T Jax is done. If we need someone else, Id look at roster cuts and bring someone in at an affordable price.

Whats your plan?

KI Skins Fan 02-13-2013 08:59 PM

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I think it would be too risky to cut Hall. We're just too thin in the DB to let him go. I also think he played better football during our playoff run.

We need to keep Josh Wilson, as well.

There is no way I would plan to put the FS position in the hands of a rookie to start the season. If we were to sign a FA corner and no FA FS, then I'd look to move DHall to FS and back him up with a good rookie who might be able to take over later in the season, if necessary.

And I would definitely draft both a CB and a FS.

donofriose 02-13-2013 09:48 PM

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[quote=CultBrennan59;994172]Good thread

I'd sign Corey lynch and the Miami safety in FA (see what grimes asks for; if its ridiculous no) sign leodis mckelvin to a cheap prove it deal.

I'd draft cyprien , baccari Rambo, Leon McFadden, and mathieu.

And yes we can get all those guys[/quote]

Well let's hope they would be willing to sign for cheap. And hopefully the skins keep drafting well.

BigHairedAristocrat 02-13-2013 11:47 PM

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I feel like I've seen this thread before

Bubba305-ST21- 02-14-2013 12:21 AM

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DJ Swearinger whether it be in the 2nd or 3rd. Thats who I want starting at FS for us next year. He flys around like very few. I keep Hall and draft a cb as well preferably Trufant or Rhodes.

REDSKINS4ever 02-14-2013 03:40 AM

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According to draft guru Mel Kiper, ihe Redskins will draft Phillip Thomas out of Fresno State at FS. He lead the NCAA division I free safeties in the interceptions category with 8. He's in the mold of Sean Taylor and Ed Reed and a real ball hawk. He's a very underrated player because Fresno State isn't a powerhouse program. But the Redskins can't let him get away.

SkinzWin 02-14-2013 07:56 AM

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I'm pretty sure I remember D Hall saying he was willing to restructure his contract to stay with the Skins. I know a lot of fans have a love/hate relationship with the guy, but the fact is we don't have a lot of depth in the secondary and he has played well enough IMO to warrant him sticking around provided we can renegotiate his contract. I think it also helps that he could, if needed, be able to play safety. That gives us flexibility. Not every CB can move to safety.

I wondered if we would take a look at George Wilson. Heard this morning on the radio he has meetings lined up with the Titans and Lions.

Chico23231 02-14-2013 08:52 AM

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I just dont think Hall showed me anything when he did play FS this year. I do remember him getting killed in the slot against the Rams. Ive been a D Hall supporter in the past, I just think its time. I think we can get a more consistent player at both FS and CB with the entire amount of his next year salary (8 mil?).

Mentioned above is letting a rookie man the FS position. I share that concern too, and thats why Id bring in a roster cut/vet to provide leadership at that position to help the transition. M. Williams was ok at times, but we should be able to get a better player for that role.

KI Skins Fan 02-14-2013 09:35 AM

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Of the draft prospects mentioned above:

Baccari Rambo, probably 3rd Round, Cyprien 4-5, McFadden 4-5. I have no idea where Mathieu might be drafted. All are good players, IMO.

I'm very high on both DJ Swearinger and Phillip Thomas. I'd say 5th round for Swearinger and probably 3rd round for Thomas.

As far as the draft is concerned, I think this is a bountiful year for safeties and corners but most of them need some time to develop. It would certainly help the Skins to stock up on 2-3. For now, we just need to sign a FA to start at FS. Then, as the rookies develop, they can challenge for more playing time.

firstdown 02-14-2013 10:52 AM

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DB's played fine after the d line started getting preasure on the QB. My guess is if you could look at on sacks, hits, and hurries from each game you will see that as the year went on those number got better and so did our pass coverage. In the begining of the year it seem QB's would drop back pop open a beer while waiting for a WR to get open. As the year progressed something changed and we started getting to the QB.

Chico23231 02-14-2013 11:09 AM

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[quote=firstdown;994236]DB's played fine after the d line started getting preasure on the QB. My guess is if you could look at on sacks, hits, and hurries from each game you will see that as the year went on those number got better and so did our pass coverage. In the begining of the year it seem QB's would drop back pop open a beer while waiting for a WR to get open. As the year progressed something changed and we started getting to the QB.[/quote]

So keep the status quo? Another year of questionable FS and slot corner play...noway. Like I stated above, Orakpo and AC will be coming back so yeah pass rush will help. The primary reason we got pressure was because we blitzed like 60% of the time. Its like the 3 pointer in basketball, you live and die by it. If our defensive stratgdy is gonna be blitz, thats fine, but damn if I want M Williams, Gomes, D Hall, Reed and Wilson back there in man to man.

Another thing I wanted to mention we had 2 players suspended in the secondary as well, T Jax (tweeds) and C Griff (adderol?). I think neither of these guys should come back and we need to do our due dilligence a little better before we bring guys in with questionable backgrounds. I was for signing Talib previously, but not now. Too many questions in his background, plus I think we will be priced out.

Meks 02-14-2013 12:03 PM

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nobody is saying keep the status quo.. we all know we need some draft and or free agency help in the 2ndary... but cutting D. Hall without a viable replacement and him being willing to re-structure is just assanine. the dude played well down the stretch ... credit is due for the effort and level this team rose to on our win streak... and he was a key part to that IMO

Chico23231 02-14-2013 12:12 PM

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[quote=Meks;994249]nobody is saying keep the status quo.. we all know we need some draft and or free agency help in the 2ndary... but cutting D. Hall without a viable replacement and him being willing to re-structure is just assanine. the dude played well down the stretch ... credit is due for the effort and level this team rose to on our win streak... and he was a key part to that IMO[/quote]

I dont think cutting Hall and saving 7+mil in cap space and replacing him with someone like McKelvin at 3.5 mil is assanine. I think it would be an improvement coverage-wise.

Hey I agree, DHall played well down the stretch, about the first time in 2 years. Id like to get younger, along with more consistent play at CB. Also spending a high pick on a CB to come in and compete for a starting position/slot corner serves us well. I think you'll be able to find a similarly skilled CB such as D Hall if there is a problem for a cheap price.

Meks 02-14-2013 12:13 PM

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it's possible.. guess we really wont know whos interested and what type of $ we can spend til next month


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