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SmootSmack 03-23-2004 11:10 PM

Latest Sporting News Mock Draft
They've dropped Sean Taylor all the way to the Jets at no. 12 and have us taking Tommie Harris. I like Harris but would really be surprised if the Skins took him at 5


Yankskins 03-23-2004 11:12 PM

Kenechi Udezi!

Daseal 03-23-2004 11:12 PM

If we take any route other than Taylor or WInslow I'll be shocked.

Gmanc711 03-23-2004 11:20 PM

Theres no way someone takes D'Angelo Hall over Sean Taylor.

skinsfanthru&thru 03-23-2004 11:50 PM

anyone know why his stock would have dropped roughly 7 spots so quickly? is this mock draft on talent alone or both needs and talent? and I like 3D (D'angelo Hall) but I can't believe he suddenly went from around a late 1st to 2nd round pick all the way up to 7th. plus that scenario with Atlanta sounds scary to me. Imagine Vick having to highclass WR's in Price and Williams? atleast we only have to play them in the preseason and possibly the playoffs.
I think this mock draft is kinda jacked up cuz if we aren't taking winslow or Taylor we have to trade down and get more picks and hopefully udeze. by the way does anyone have any stats and info on udeze?

skinsfanthru&thru 03-23-2004 11:53 PM

plus Rivers as the prodige of Favre? thats a pretty awesome pairing and how much stronger could New England be with a monster in the making RB like Jones? I don't know how many agree but I think this is one of the strongest overall drafts, atleast the first 2-3 rounds, in recent memory.

SmootSmack 03-24-2004 01:39 AM

I agree that this draft is really deep...I think they're saying Taylor's stock is dropping based on his recent poor workout (which I think someone brought up in another thread)

Ghost 03-24-2004 01:59 AM

This draft could go in a lot of different ways ... it's all speculation until some of these players have their private workouts. I'd be happy with Wilfork or Udeze. I'd be stunned if Taylor fell to #12 but if his stock is really falling then Winslow might be the choice. I don't think the Skins will have a lot of success moving down because few teams will be willing to part with 2nd or 3rd round picks in a deep draft. GMs are getting stingier with those picks. The more I think about it, the more I like Wilfork, who reminds me a little of Dave Butz.

offiss 03-24-2004 03:34 AM

I really haven't seen tommy harris play, but I have seen some highlights of him recently, I can't believe how fast the guy is for his size, he look's like a real athletic as well, but from what I have heard every time he ran into a big time lineman he disapeared, I believe he played tackle in college but this kid look's like a serious end if you ask me, perhap's his speed was nutralized playing inside, it's much easier to control a player when they don't have the room to take an outside rush, the profile I saw was comparing him to reggie white, they looked fairly similar in body type, I think harris was a little faster but I doubt he is as strong as white, still it made me wonder 2 thing's, 1 if my assesment is right about his pass rushing ability why wasen't he used that way in college to maximize his talent's? and 2 if he is comparable to white regardless of inside or outside he still should have produced against the best in the country, I would like to see more footage of him to really gauge him but I will probably have to wait till draft day. Are there any harris fan's out there who can shed some light as far as his production against big time guards? as well as his possible switch to end?

dieselhog 03-24-2004 06:10 AM

I think we will take Taylor. Winslow seems like an ego waiting to happen.

Daseal 03-24-2004 07:17 AM

D'Angelo Hall is someone who can do kickoff returns and play shutdown corner. He has the raw ability that is uncoachable, that ability is speed. He could be next years Dante Hall. He's blazing fast and has Deion Sanders type potential.

MTK 03-24-2004 08:16 AM

I don't buy Taylor dropping that far, no way. If he does drop past the top 5 he'll be an absolute steal.

I think our targets are still Taylor and Winslow at #5, both are instant impact players who have All-Pro written all over them. Harris would be a bit of a reach that high, but nothing would surprise me after the kind of offseason we've had so far.

I thought the chance of Gibbs coming back was 0 to none, so I can't rule anything out anymore, LOL.

skinsfanthru&thru 03-24-2004 11:28 AM

[QUOTE=Daseal]D'Angelo Hall is someone who can do kickoff returns and play shutdown corner. He has the raw ability that is uncoachable, that ability is speed. He could be next years Dante Hall. He's blazing fast and has Deion Sanders type potential.[/QUOTE]

I don't disagree with his natural talent( I think he was recorded as having something close to a 4.2or 4.3 in the 40yard dash this past fall) both as a corner and returner ala Dieon, but he disappeared at times this year and got burnt a few times when they actually threw to his side.
That being said I think he will be a very good DB in a year or two under NFL coaching cuz this guy is a playmaker when he gets his hands on the ball through both INT and returns. to bad we couldn't be in a situation like the Jets were a couple of years ago with 3 or 4 first round picks I think it was. In this years draft u could easily aquire 3-4 starters with those picks.

backrow 03-24-2004 12:08 PM

That's Only One Mock!
That's only one Mock! Try over at Hailredskins.com. 108 Mocks, and the largest Mock Data Base in NFL Fandom! When you think about it, all Mocks do is give you the names of the potential draftees and some Mocks have a pretty good reputation. But don't give them a lot of credit except the Names. Those names are interchangeable to any point on Draft day. Everything depends on Best Available player philosophy vs. Draft Needs! I've seen Taylor, Winslow, and Trade down all used in the same sentence in the Washington Post, which I believe is the closest indicator to the heartbeat of the collective braintrust at the Redskins FO! I've even thought about using the percentage philosophy. You know, how many times is S. Taylors name shown as the #5 pick from those 108 Mocks! Nah, nobody would do that, would they?

Yankskins 03-24-2004 12:45 PM

[QUOTE=skinsfanthru&thru] by the way does anyone have any stats and info on udeze?[/QUOTE]

Kenchi Udeze is like 6'3", 280, runs a 4.75 40, a junior, and had 16 1/2 sacks this season. In the Rose bowl though, he had 3 sacks against Michigan. But he also can play the run, which is important for our defense. He is far and away the number 1 scout for DE's.

Tommi Harris is 6'3" 288, and runs a 4.95. He's real quick and can tackle well, but he is criticized because he doesn't always hustle. And he doesn't have the size of a big d-lineman to plug two gaps. In fact,Kenechi is almost as big as he is, and much faster.

I agree that Winslow is two much of an ego. He's got amazing hands, but he's so small (6-4 251) that he really just doesn't fit into Joe Gibbs system.

Sean Taylor is another good option (6-3 220, runs a 4.4 40) but I think our more pressing needs are upfront, and a high impact dlineman would help us in the short term and (because Kenechi is young and coachable) in the long term as well.

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