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skinsfaninok 06-16-2013 12:54 AM

CB I'd take out Henderson and put in Paul but other than that I agree.

GTripp0012 06-16-2013 01:33 AM

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My thought on the TE situation is that if the Redskins were going to give up on Niles Paul, he wouldn't have made it through last year, when he was just taking up space on a playoff roster. He'll stay one more year. Although changing ST coaches from Smith to Burns probably hurts him.

Keeping 4 TEs kind of hamstrings the roster composition of this team, as so much as you can hurt the roster composition keeping a versatile player (not much). I think they are going to give Haslett his full 25 spots, so the extra spot has to come out of somewhere, either WR or OL. The top four receivers from last year will stay, and I think Robinson makes it over Henderson because they run similar routes, but Robinson can get behind the defense allowing Griffin to out throw him.

I have a feeling that they'll make a spot for Stallworth as the sixth receiver, but if I had to make the prediction today, he'd be on the outside looking in. As soon as a guy (at any position) goes down, they'll swing it so Stallworth makes the team.

That leaves nine spots for the OL, which is really more than the Redskins need (and more spots than they'll finish the season with), but I think they'll cut down to just nine for Week 1 so that they can keep Compton without having to start him. That, and I think that Gettis and LeRibeus are on scholarship for one more season. Polumbus should beat out Hurt as the swingman, which means it's Hurt vs. Pashos for the roster spot at RT.

This post is already a disaster to follow (I'm rusty) so I'll just continue with the defense. If you've gotten this far, bless your soul.

No idea what is going to happen with the defensive line. Starters are obvious. There's typically no reason to roster 3 NT's, but they have to because they don't have enough depth at DE to play in the sub packages. So I think they'll keep Neild and Baker, as both can get after the passer better than some of our ends. I don't think Golston is a lock, but if Carriker gets waived or IR'ed, he's on for sure. I think they'd be willing to keep just six defensive lineman, but again, not if Carriker is one of them, just too much uncertainty there. Brace or Merling will have to stand out, because I could see that spot going to a UDFA or training camp signing. I'm betting on Merling right now, but do see him getting jumped by someone before the final cutdowns.

Rostering 6 DL means 9 or 10 LBs, which is a better use of your roster space. Fletcher, Riley, Orakpo, Kerrigan, Jackson, Robinson are locks. Jenkins will make it. I think there are plans to get 3 OLBs in the field in sub packages, which means that they'll need 4 to 5 active OLBs every week (good for Darryl Tapp). They can skimp on the inside if they want to open the season with just 3 ILBs, but they'll be going through a majority of the season with four, which is probably good for Vic So'oto or Bryan Kehl (I think So'oto is better).

I'd really like Rodrick Muckelroy and for all the talk about Minnifield's health -- or lack thereof -- Muckelroy is a higher upside talent who just doesn't seem to have the ability to stay on the field for more than a month at a time.

They kept 10 DBs last year, but will probably cut down to 9 this year. Wilson, Crawford, Hall, Amerson, Biggers at corner, and Meriweather, Doughty, Thomas, Rambo at safety. Recent comments by Haslett would lead one to think that they probably aren't satisfied with two rookies and two vets at safety, so while I think they'll just play a corner like Biggers or Wilson there early in the season to save a roster spot, it wouldn't be the craziest thing if Gomes or Pugh made the Week 1 roster to prevent having to have two rookies in the lineup early in the season.

Forbath, Rocca, and Sundberg are basically without competition at this point. Rocca's net average dropped a lot last season, so if he shanks any in the preseason, I could see them being in competition. But Forbath and Sundberg are locks, at least for Week 1.

CultBrennan59 06-16-2013 10:42 AM

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[quote=SirLK26;1012153]I see both CRR and CultBrennan have either Henderson or Stallworth making the final roster. If they're way better than the UDFA WRs we signed, I'm fine with it. However, I would rather have [B]Dawson[/B] or Lewis make the roster, because of age and potential. Whichever of these makes it will most likely be at the bottom of the list for depth anyway, so it really doesn't matter.[/quote]

I have him going to the practice squad. I think he'll be impressive in preseason, but ultimately make the practice squad. As soon as Henderson doesn't show up or one of the back up WRs gets hurt, I see Dawson being activated later in the season. I'm basing this off of Dawson's reviews he's been getting from the columnists (John Keim, Mike Jones, etc.) saying that he's been showing off his blazing speed and making great moves on punt returns.

I also remember his name being mentioned a lot when I would watch the occasional TCU game (Baylor, Boise St., Wisconsin to name a few).

CultBrennan59 06-16-2013 10:45 AM

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[quote=skinsfaninok;1012157]CB I'd take out Henderson and put in Paul but other than that I agree.[/quote]

I did have Paul making it at the very bottom of my original post.

Would you still take out henderson?

KI Skins Fan 06-16-2013 11:04 AM

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This is a good looking roster. I have a few comments and questions.

[quote=CultBrennan59;1012124]QB (2):
RG3
Kirk Cousins

[B]I could see keeping two QB's because Grossman could be cut and no other team would pick him up, so the Skins could bring him back at any time, if he were needed. On the other hand, who would be the emergency QB?[/B]

RB (4):
Alfred Morris
Chris Thompson [B](PUP or Practice Squad)[/B]
Roy Helu
[B]Jawan Jamison[/B]
Daryl Young (FB)

[B]I question whether Thompson or Helu can stay healthy. I also think Jamison would be more capable of carrying the load on 1st and 2nd down then they would be. We might keep Jamison to give Morris a breather. Who is the backup FB?[/B]

WR (6):
Garcon
Morgan
Moss
Hankerson
Robinson
Devery Henderson

[B]No real argument here. I like Henderson more than most fans do. I wonder if the Skins might be tempted to go with only 5 WR's because they could run a two TE offense with the athletic hybrids they have.[/B]

TE (3):
Fred Davis
Logan Paulsen
Jordan Reed

[B]I'll say that Niles Paul is kept over a 6th WR. With Zo gone, we can't afford to cut good ST players. [/B]

OL (9):
Trent
Montgomery (C)
Chester (G)
Lichtensteiger (C/G)
LeRebius (G)
Polumbus (RT)
Gettis (G)
Compton (RT/LT)
Pashos (RT)

[B]Will LeRebius eat his way out of the league?[/B]

24 Offense

DL (7):
Jenkins
Bowen
Cofield
Baker
Brace
Carriker [B](PUP)[/B]
Golston
Nield

[B]Brace backs up at DE until Carriker can return. Then, Nield is cut in favor of Brace because of Brace's ability to play two positions.[/B]

LB (8):
Fletcher
Riley
Orakpo
Kerrigan
Brandon Jenkins
Daryl Tapp
Robinson
Kehl
[Rob Jackson makes the team, but is on the suspsended list for the first four games. I think the skins will cut Tapp to make room for Jackson, unless another player is injured by then]

[B]Kehl makes sense to me, as well, because he is a ST ace.[/B]

CB (5):
Hall
Biggers
Wilson
Crawford
Amerson

S (5):
Doughty [B](Solid backup and very good ST player)[/B]
Phillip Thomas
Rambo
Meriweather
Pugh

[B]Tanard Jackson is a good football player but would the Skins trust him enough to keep him over Pugh?[/B]

Specialists (3)
LS Sundberg
K Forbath
P Rocca

(28 defense)

I'm at 52 players not including the suspended Rob Jackson. I think the 53 player is either Niles Paul or a 3rd QB. I could easily see Shanahan gamble with 2 QBs, even with Griffin coming off an injury, just because Shanahan is confident (or cocky to some) like that. Niles Paul isn't good, but he's versatile (TE/WR/ H-Back/KR/ST standout). I guess gun to my head I think [B]Paul[/B] makes it.

So thats my 53[/quote]

skinsfaninok 06-16-2013 11:05 AM

[QUOTE=CultBrennan59;1012164]I did have Paul making it at the very bottom of my original post.

Would you still take out henderson?[/QUOTE]

No If that's the case I'd keep both If we could.

SirLK26 06-16-2013 07:30 PM

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[quote=CultBrennan59;1012163]I have him going to the practice squad. I think he'll be impressive in preseason, but ultimately make the practice squad. As soon as Henderson doesn't show up or one of the back up WRs gets hurt, I see Dawson being activated later in the season. I'm basing this off of Dawson's reviews he's been getting from the columnists (John Keim, Mike Jones, etc.) saying that he's been showing off his blazing speed and making great moves on punt returns.

I also remember his name being mentioned a lot when I would watch the occasional TCU game (Baylor, Boise St., Wisconsin to name a few).[/quote]

I see. Does anyone else think he has a legitimate chance at the opening day roster? For his college career, he had a pedestrian 91 catches with 1,125 yards, but he was the primary return man, an area of small concern for the Redskins. I don't know, although I'm inclined to agree with CultBrennan: he'll end up on the practice squad. I guess we'll find out.

[url=http://gofrogs.cstv.com/sports/m-footbl/mtt/dawson_skye00.html]Skye Dawson Profile - TCU Horned Frogs Official Athletic Site[/url]

Paintrain 06-17-2013 01:37 PM

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I was too lazy to type all the names over again so I just bolded my changes to the OP.
[quote=CRedskinsRule;1012010]

QUARTERBACKS (3):
Cousins, Kirk
Griffin III, Robert
Grossman, Rex

RUNNING BACKS (4):
Young, Darrel
Helu, Jr., Roy
Morris, Alfred
Thompson, Chris
[b]Jamison starts the season on the practice squad[/b]

WIDE RECEIVERS (6):
Garçon, Pierre
Stallworth, Dante
Morgan, Joshua
Moss, Santana
Robinson, Aldrick
Hankerson, Leonard
[b]Hankerson had a strong OTA/minicamp and will be a camp standout[/b]

TIGHT ENDS (4):
Davis, Fred
Paulsen, Logan
Reed, Jordan
Paul, Niles
[b] Paul is our new Lorenzo Alexander [/b]

OFFENSIVE LINE (9):
Montgomery, Will C/G
Chester, Chris G
Hurt, Maurice G
LeRibeus, Josh G
Lichtensteiger, Kory G/C
Williams, Trent OT
Compton, Tom T
Pashos, Tony T
Polumbus, Tyler T
[b]The Shanny's love them some Tyler [/b]

(only practice squad I will pick: Nixon, Xavier)

DEFENSIVE LINE (6):
Bowen, Stephen DE
Golston, Kedric DE
Jenkins, Jarvis DE
Baker, Chris NT
Cofield, Barry NT
Neild, Chris NT
[b] Tapp doesn't make it [/b]

INSIDE LINEBACKERS (4):
Robinson, Keenan
Riley, Perry
Fletcher, London
Kimbrough, Jeremy

OUTSIDE LINEBACKERS (5):
Orakpo, Brian
Jackson, Rob
Kehl, Bryan
Kerrigan, Ryan
Jenkins, Brandon

CORNERBACKS (5):
Amerson, David
Biggers, E.J.
Crawford, Richard
Hall, DeAngelo
Wilson, Josh

SAFETIES (4):
Doughty, Reed
Rambo, Bacarri
Thomas, Phillip
Meriweather, Brandon
[b] Doughty makes it on special teams, Bernstien goes to the PS, Gomes is gone [/b]

SPECIALISTS (3):
Forbath, Kai K
Sundberg, Nick LS
Rocca, Sav P[/quote]

CultBrennan59 08-10-2013 02:27 PM

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So right now after hearing about Training Camp Reports and Watching 1 preseason game heres what I see.

[B]LOCKS[/B] (Baring Injury):

QB 2- RG3, Cousins
RB 3- Morris, Helu, Young (FB)
TE 4- Davis, Reed, Paulsen, Paul
WR 5- Garcon, Morgan, Moss, Hankerson, Robinson
OL 6- Williams, Compton, Lichtensteiger, Montgomery, Chester, Polumbus,

Total= 20

DL 6- Cofield, Bowen, [I][U]Jenkins[/U][/I], Golston, Baker, Neild
LB 6- Fletcher, Riley, Kerrigan, Orakpo, [U][I]Rob Jackson[/I][/U], Brandon Jenkins,
CB 3- Hall, Amerson, Crawford,
S 4- Doughty, Rambo, Meriweather, Thomas

Total= 19

ST 3- Forbath, Rocca, Sundberg

Total = 3

Overall Total[B] LOCKS[/B]= 42. That includes 2 guys that will be suspended the first 4 games, which means that we could carry and extra 2 guys in their place for the first four weeks. So this number essentially could be 40 with an extra 2 guys we could keep the first 4 weeks then cut come week 5.

11 Roster Spots that are completely up for grabs (or 13 if we don't count Jarvis Jenkins and Rob Jackson)

[B]Near Locks[/B]- Guys that I should have counted before, but theres always that small chance they don't make it in favor of a younger guy and/or clearly better player. Or guys that we spent too high of either a draft pick or pay on that we shouldn't cut based on that.

OL 2- LeRibeus, Pashos

LB 2- Kehl, Barnett

CB 2- Biggers, Minnifield

Total = 6

Now we're at 48 guys (including the suspended guys). That leaves 5 roster spots.

Now heres the On the Bubble Guys:

QB: Grossman
RB: Royster, Jamison, Thompson
FB: Kettani
WR: Stallworth, Briscoe, Lewis, Henderson, Dawson, Nick Williams
OL: Gettis, Hurt,

LB: Daryl Tapp
CB: Josh Wilson
S: Jordan Pugh, DeJon Gomes

We're definitely keeping another RB, so I'm going with [B]Thompson[/B] if he's healthy, Royster if Thompson isn't healthy. We're going to keep another OL, and I'm not sold on LeRibeus being the answer. I say [B]Mo Hurt[/B] makes it since he can play more than one position.

[B]Daryl Tapp[/B] is a vet, played 4-3 DE and is looking decent as a 3-4 OLB, he has the veteran edge over impressive rookie Brandon Jenkins. And as of now, Tapp can play the first four games, baring some drug suspension. He also knows the NFC East well. I think another spot goes to him.

[B]Jordan Pugh[/B] was on our roster last year, and is another safety back there. He's more of a SS than FS, but if Rambo got hurt, he could sub in there. I think 4 safeties on a team with a poor pass defense the year before is very risky. Add in the fact that Thomas has already gotten injured 10 minutes into his first preseason game, and I think its almost a lock to carry 5 safeties.

Can we go in with only 5 WR's? Yeah, but its risky. Then again, who is playing special teams of those WRs? I know Moss, Garcon and Morgan are definitely not covering Kicks and Punts. Hankerson and Robinson, I'm pretty sure don't cover kicks or punts either. There was an article that said that Stallworth could help on special teams. Add that in with his veteran experience and the fact that one of our NFC E rivals may add him, and use him (Eagles come immediately to mind) and I could really see him making the team.

Everyone is probably thinking why isn't Josh Wilson a lock to make the roster. Well if you saw A) how well Amerson looked against a bigger more physical WR than what Josh Wilson went against last year and faring much better than what Wilson has against other WRs. B) how much money Wilson is costing us ($2 million) compared to a guy like Amerson ($700,000), Biggers ($1.5), Crawford ($500,000) or Minnifield ($405,000) C) We don't plan on having him back next year, so why not let him get a head start somewhere else, as opposed to waste time with us here where he'll probably be behind Amerson and maybe even Biggers. D) He has (good) trade value, because he's still young and is an NFL starter.

So back to that 5th and final spot. Grossman, he knows the offense well, but he isn't helping himself with having a bad preseason and hoping for a job else where. Its here or no where. I'll get back to Grossman in a second. Now there are 3 people we can consider here. A young WR (Nick Williams or Skye Dawson), Donte Stallworth and Eric Kettani. Kettani intrigues me in a since of the respect that Shanahan has for him. He could be a guy that makes it for his versatility of being a FB/RB/ and possible H-Back as well as Special Teamer. There was an article a while back where Shanahan said that Eric has a real good shot at making this roster; something to think about. All the Veterans have been hyping up Skye Dawson. The problem is that he hasn't been showing up come 11 on 11 time, just 1 on 1 time. The flip side is Nick Williams, a guy I saw the other night whom I think is a young Welker/Amendola slot, shifty, fast WR with good return ability. But he looks like a project at this point. I think one of those guy's definitely makes the Practice Squad. So between I think [B]Stallworth[/B] is your final 5th guy who sneaks onto the roster.

I think that [U]Grossman[/U] and [U]Kettani[/U] make the 53 as well, but are in consideration along with Daryl Tapp, to be cut by week 5.

That Guy 08-10-2013 11:01 PM

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i'm not sure 4 TEs are a lock. that's just a lot of bodies at TE.

no way we keep two FBs on the 53 man either.


i think kimbrough might have a shot with robinson's injury at least the PS.

DynamiteRave 08-11-2013 07:35 PM

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I don't think Wilson is a bubble guy. I think he's earned his spot over the years (somehow) unless someone else steps up and makes him look like a warm body. Unfortunately, I'm not yet convinced that Biggers is consistently better than Wilson.

Note: Not that Biggers would get cut (obviously) but that Biggers would push Wilson onto the bubble.

I see the CB Lineup as being something like

Hall
Amerson
Biggers
Wilson

Crawford/Minnifield worked into there somehow.

My personal feeling on it is we have a ton of young guys and I wish they'd kick Wilson to the curb now and let Crawford and Minnifield step up in dime packages this year. Kick Hall to the curb and let Amerson be #1 next year.

DynamiteRave 08-11-2013 07:38 PM

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[quote=That Guy;1018501]i'm not sure 4 TEs are a lock. that's just a lot of bodies at TE.

no way we keep two FBs on the 53 man either.


i think kimbrough might have a shot with robinson's injury at least the PS.[/quote]

Who's your weak link at TE?

CultBrennan59 08-11-2013 08:49 PM

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[quote=DynamiteRave;1018517]I don't think Wilson is a bubble guy. I think he's earned his spot over the years (somehow) unless someone else steps up and makes him look like a warm body. Unfortunately, I'm not yet convinced that Biggers is consistently better than Wilson.

Note: Not that Biggers would get cut (obviously) but that Biggers would push Wilson onto the bubble.

I see the CB Lineup as being something like

Hall
Amerson
Biggers
Wilson

Crawford/Minnifield worked into there somehow.

My personal feeling on it is we have a ton of young guys and I wish they'd kick Wilson to the curb now and let Crawford and Minnifield step up in dime packages this year. Kick Hall to the curb and let Amerson be #1 next year.[/quote]

Yeah, I mean either way, I'm not going to be shocked if Wilson is or isn't on the roster this season. I agree with what you said, and feel that Wilson is kind of keeping the young guys back from 'getting their feet wet' so to speak. He won't be back next year, that I am certain of.

As for 4 TE's not being a lock; Davis is a lock because he is listed a#1, is on a 1 year deal, and knows our system the best. Jordan Reed is a lock because he was a 3rd round draft pick and has booming potential; Logan Paulsen is a lock for his blocking, what he did last year, his experience and his special teams value. Niles Paul is a lock (not as much a lock as the other 3 but still a lock) because he is cheap, young, has potential, is doing good in camp and preseason, is literally the offensive version of Lorenzo Alexander (ie not great at his particular position on defense, but ok/decent and is great at special teams) now that Lorenzo is gone to Arizona, Niles could be that new Special Teamer for us. Plus he can play TE/H-Back/WR/KR more than a lot of other guys on the team, and Shanahan loves versatility.

That Guy 08-12-2013 04:20 AM

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paul as a WR/H-back/non blocker is a joke. 10 catches for 177 yards in 2 years... not good.

I think we keep davis as lock, and we're not going to PS a 3rd round pick, so he's safe. the other guys... I mean, we could keep both, but i don't think it's a lock, that's all.


the good news is there's only about 5-6 spots to talk about.

mmil12 08-12-2013 06:57 AM

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What are the odds Nick Barnette and Lance Lewis make this team. I think Lewis has a ton of potential, great hands, and good size. Barnette can be insurance for Fletcher.

Thoughts of these guys making the team?


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