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lifetimeskin 03-12-2005 11:46 PM

The REAL deciding Factors...
 
I have read for a while now our multiple discussions with WRs and CBs. I am not sure that's the key. I look at the two teams in the superbowl this year. As CB's each team had basically rookies, for WR the pats had quite a few "B" players, and the losing team went out and got a superstar. I am not sold in the idea that those two positions are critical to the success of a team.

However from analyzing the Pats and Eagles it seems to come down primarily to a few things:

1. Excellent QB play
2. Stability of Coaching Staff
2a. Excellent OL play
3. Scoring Defense


With Jansen's return and the addition of Rabach {sp}, it looks to be a much better year. We actually have depth now.

Gibbs is Sticking around. This is VERY important because the players don't have to keep learning schemes.

The Eagles and Pats were 2 and 3 in the league in scoring defense, skins were 5th.

MOST (not all) of the teams in the playoffs had very good play at the QB position throughout the season. So it comes down to Ramsey. I don't expect Brady or Donavan performance, but if he can be in the top 15 in the league, we have a very good shot at the playoffs.

my 2 cents.

SmootSmack 03-12-2005 11:55 PM

Re: The REAL deciding Factors...
 
I would also add Low Amount of Penalties/Penalty Yards

The Redskins were in the bottom three in penalties and penalty yards assessed on offense. Granted, some were ridiculously questionable pass interference calls, still as a team they need to drastically cut back on mistakes like holding, late hits, false starts, etc.

steveo395 03-13-2005 12:25 AM

Re: The REAL deciding Factors...
 
[QUOTE=TAFKAS ﺶ]I would also add Low Amount of Penalties/Penalty Yards

The Redskins were in the bottom three in penalties and penalty yards assessed on offense. Granted, some were ridiculously questionable pass interference calls, still as a team they need to drastically cut back on mistakes like holding, late hits, false starts, etc.[/QUOTE]

and the made up penalties like how we lost to green bay

EternalEnigma21 03-13-2005 12:52 AM

Re: The REAL deciding Factors...
 
I think we've got a great QB, who is capable of being one of the greats, he just never developed good habits until the end of this year. At tulane and under spurrier he was tought to just heave the ball and stretch the field, so Gibbs has had to do some reprogramming and cut down on the TOs, which he did dramatically. Ramsey is smarter than he looks and can throw bombs all day, Gibbs and Musgrave just have to keep developing him along to make the decisions that dont give the game away by concentrating on ball control.

shallyshal 03-13-2005 01:21 AM

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next year, we will go only as far as ramsey is able to take us... gibbs has set the table by improving the o line and receivers. it is up to ramsey to prove he is worthy of being an nfl starter finally.
first and foremost, he cannot lose games. second, there will be occaissions when he has to get it done with game winning drives at the end.
gibbs has demonstrated an ability to get his teams into the post season with less than probowl qb'ing, but there is still a minimum level of excellence that is needed

That Guy 03-13-2005 01:44 AM

Re: The REAL deciding Factors...
 
[QUOTE=canthetuna]I think we've got a great QB, who is capable of being one of the greats, he just never developed good habits until the end of this year. At tulane and under spurrier he was tought to just heave the ball and stretch the field, so Gibbs has had to do some reprogramming and cut down on the TOs, which he did dramatically. Ramsey is smarter than he looks and can throw bombs all day, Gibbs and Musgrave just have to keep developing him along to make the decisions that dont give the game away by concentrating on ball control.[/QUOTE]

actually ramsey's TD/INT ratio was worse this year then either of his previous two seasons...

and i agree, avoiding flagrant mental errors will definately help us win more games...

JWsleep 03-13-2005 02:21 AM

Re: The REAL deciding Factors...
 
Excellent post, Lifetimeskin! I couldn't agree more. Part of the deal with coaching stability with us is also Gibbs getting his groove back. I'm optimisitc. Ramsey is very much the key, though.

Also, welcome to the board, canthetuna! Great name.

bedlamVR 03-13-2005 08:21 AM

Re: The REAL deciding Factors...
 
Most of Ramsey INTs were in his first two relief spots like the first Giants game where he was put into the game unprepared . I thought he played welll down he stretech .

The biggest issue was when we did win we had very few penalties.

SKINZ_DOMIN8 03-13-2005 11:44 AM

Re: The REAL deciding Factors...
 
[QUOTE] I think we've got a great QB, who is capable of being one of the greats, he just never developed good habits until the end of this year. At tulane and under spurrier he was tought to just heave the ball and stretch the field, so Gibbs has had to do some reprogramming and cut down on the TOs, which he did dramatically. Ramsey is smarter than he looks and can throw bombs all day, Gibbs and Musgrave just have to keep developing him along to make the decisions that dont give the game away by concentrating on ball control
[/QUOTE] :frusty:

IF any of you watched George Michael's "Full Court Press" last night then you heard that even Steve Spurrier told Michael that Ramsey isn't going to make it in this league.

Very damning,forboding,honest comments from someone who knows Quarterbacks.

BrudLee 03-13-2005 12:06 PM

Re: The REAL deciding Factors...
 
[QUOTE=SKINZ_DOMIN8]:frusty:

IF any of you watched George Michael's "Full Court Press" last night then you heard that even Steve Spurrier told Michael that Ramsey isn't going to make it in this league.

Very damning,forboding,honest comments from someone who knows Quarterbacks.[/QUOTE]
Well, he's no Wuerfful.

I'm not ready to give up on Ramsey because of this statement. Spurrier's QB's have had almost no success on the professional level, so until that happens, I'll give that opinion the weight it deserves.

BigSKINBauer 03-13-2005 12:52 PM

Re: The REAL deciding Factors...
 
[QUOTE=TAFKAS]I would also add Low Amount of Penalties/Penalty Yards

The Redskins were in the bottom three in penalties and penalty yards assessed on offense. Granted, some were ridiculously questionable pass interference calls, still as a team they need to drastically cut back on mistakes like holding, late hits, false starts, etc.[/QUOTE]

every time i think about those dumb penalties by them teamracist refs i get crazy, we lost a couple games cause of that, i can think of 3-4 big ones that could sway the game, not saying that we would win those games but geeez if we won em we would be in them there playoffs!!

THAT GREEN BAY GAME!!! WHAT was that, i could convict that ref in court undienable vedience the rest could be judgement calls but the first said portis was moving forward! He was in his two point stance getting ready to do the best play of the season. That was a season changing game, who knows

Yellow31 03-13-2005 12:52 PM

Re: The REAL deciding Factors...
 
[QUOTE=That Guy]actually ramsey's TD/INT ratio was worse this year then either of his previous two seasons...

and i agree, avoiding flagrant mental errors will definately help us win more games...[/QUOTE]
Alot of those picks came in that one game against the Giants when he came in for Brunell and I think without that one bad performance Gibbs would have put him in earlier in the season for Brunell.

MTK 03-13-2005 12:58 PM

Re: The REAL deciding Factors...
 
What exactly did Spurrier say?

BossHog 03-13-2005 03:19 PM

Re: The REAL deciding Factors...
 
[QUOTE=JWsleep]Excellent post, Lifetimeskin! I couldn't agree more. Part of the deal with coaching stability with us is also Gibbs getting his groove back. I'm optimisitc. Ramsey is very much the key, though.[/QUOTE]

Yes. Very interesting. And that's what I love about sports. So many teams with different strengths and weaknesses battling it out for the championship. Yes, there are some necessities for winning games, but in no way can you expect a 'winning' formula that guarantees ultimate victory. ATL is trying to do it with Vick. IND is trying to do it putting up 55+ points a game. BAL is trying to do it by scoring more points on defense than thier opponents offense. Let's do it Gibbs way, I say. :oink:

BossHog 03-13-2005 03:25 PM

Re: The REAL deciding Factors...
 
[QUOTE=SKINZ_DOMIN8]:frusty:

IF any of you watched George Michael's "Full Court Press" last night then you heard that even Steve Spurrier told Michael that Ramsey isn't going to make it in this league.

Very damning,forboding,honest comments from someone who knows Quarterbacks.[/QUOTE]

Spurrier don't know $#!+. Has any of his hand picked U of F QBs had any NFL success? :oink:

EternalEnigma21 03-13-2005 04:26 PM

Re: The REAL deciding Factors...
 
[QUOTE=SKINZ_DOMIN8]:frusty:

IF any of you watched George Michael's "Full Court Press" last night then you heard that even Steve Spurrier told Michael that Ramsey isn't going to make it in this league.

Very damning,forboding,honest comments from someone who knows Quarterbacks.[/QUOTE]

I dont know where you were the last few years, but most people who watched steve spurriers NFL carreer would be in agreeance that he should not in anyway be considered any kind of authority on anything having to do with football on a professional level. I didnt catch the interview, but I do know that Gibbs trusts Ramsey and thinks he can develop his potential and is bringing in a great QB coach to help him along.

Ramseys season stats do not reflect the progress he made towards the end of the season, and the afforementioned td/int ratios are a direct reflection of a conservative offense that simply could not put up touchdowns, and didnt stretch the field at all.

wolfeskins 03-13-2005 04:52 PM

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can anyone name a qb that had real success in the nfl after playing in spurrier's college system ? even "ol ball coach" himself was horrible as an nfl qb.

BossHog 03-13-2005 05:12 PM

Re: The REAL deciding Factors...
 
When amateur sports fans get over the lie that great players are either drafted or signed in free agency, we will all see eye to eye. Players have to be given a opportunity to make a name for themselves. Where many of these athletes benefit from being in a system that works, few are responsible for making that system work. Will the real superstars please stand up? Think of all the great coaching Peyton Manning has had before the NFL, before Tennessee, before 'before'. Maybe Dwight Freeney was born with that wicked spin move. What player would he had been if it wasn't for Dungy? What if Freeney commited to a small division school like Christopher Newport College (hey, I would've done just that but they didn't have a football program then). Get the point? Fans. Stop looking for the 'ready made star. If Ramsey was drafted by NE, he would've won three SBs already. And then you'd be drooling all over Ramsey the FA. The only way to secure stability with our team is to develop players for our own use, whether we trade them, retain them, or not. A great team can lose a great CB like Ty Law and start a lesser known player and still win the SB. A great team can make fans weary by letting go two great starting CBs like Bobby Taylor and Troy Vincent and still win thier conference. What's your excuse? :oink:

sportscurmudgeon 03-13-2005 05:23 PM

Re: The REAL deciding Factors...
 
BossHOg:

I agree with you. Here's the kind of player that drives me nuts:

You see a guy with huge levels of natrual God-given athletic abilities and then he demonstrates that he will take advice from no one. He knows everything he needs to know already and he'll do things the way it's cool for him to do them.

To use your example, suppose Dwight Freeney wouldn't take coaching from Dungy or whomever? Would he be as good as he is? NO. Would he still have those prodigious physical gifts? Yes.

TheMalcolmConnection 03-13-2005 05:28 PM

Re: The REAL deciding Factors...
 
Most definitely. People need to remain malleable. That's the reason that Taylor didn't start at the beginning of the season.

lifetimeskin 03-13-2005 09:35 PM

Re: The REAL deciding Factors...
 
Bosshog....straight To My Point. It Is What You Grow Not What You Buy!

TheMalcolmConnection 03-13-2005 10:09 PM

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I agree with that to some extent. I like to "buy" up-and-coming talent that doesn't ask too much in the market, but you can see that there are god-given skills that can be molded into the type of player you want.

drew54 03-14-2005 12:09 AM

Re: The REAL deciding Factors...
 
In my opinion a team should build as much depth through the draft as possible. The reason I belive drafting talent as opposed to signing it is because you get that player at his most vunerable moment, and that player will give you his full effort in practice and on the field because he is thinking about if I make it now, I will be set for life in 4 years when I am a free agent.

Then as the team decides who to keep and who to let go, hopefully by then the player has developed some pride for his team and wants to stay with that team.

As our recently departed players (Smoot and Pierce) they both claimed they wanted to be here, but due to our spending on other teams players in the past our backs were to the wall and we had to let them go. This is how we landed most of our free agents, but its a much smarter to build through the draft so you dont lose those core team players.

monk81 03-14-2005 07:57 PM

Re: The REAL deciding Factors...
 
And in addition to penalties, let's not CLOCK MANAGEMENT :rolleyes:


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