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JoeRedskin 08-29-2013 07:20 AM

Re: Sports Illustrated NFL Backfield Rankings
 
^^ Agreed. Of the three (Griffin, Morris, scheme), however, I think the that Morris gets the least credit or is the most undervalued. Griffin may be seen to benefit from the scheme but even the doubters acknowledge he is a unique talent. Plus, there is this perception that Shanny's scheme produces 1000 yard at the drop of a hat. While true to some extent, the Terrell Davis likely would have succeeded in any offense - not just Shanny's.

Morris is a 1200 yard back in any system. He led the league in yards after contact and in runs of 10 yards or more. Yet, he is constantly overlooked b/c he is in a Shanahan offense and has a stellar QB threat. On top of that, his personality is such that he simply does not seek this kind of attention.

The more I watch him and read up on analysis by folks who break down tape, the more I am convinced that he is a truly special back - vision, quickness, power and instinct. He is the real deal and far, far better than the talking heads (or anyone outside of Washington) realize. He is in the league of an Arian Foster and certainly better than Gore or Ridley (no disrespect to them, they are good backs - Morris is just better).

Really, other than AP, I would argue AlMo is as good or better than any other back in the league - in any system - but has the good fortune of being in a system perfectly suited for him.

Chico23231 08-29-2013 07:58 AM

Re: Sports Illustrated NFL Backfield Rankings
 
[quote=That Guy;1021075]this is either a troll or a joke.

has to be. #1 in rushing, #5 overall offense, but #19 in backfield talent? (#2-5 are ranked ahead of us)

seems strange, no?[/quote]

nail on the head. Scheme, potential and subjective opinion...f*ck facts. These rankings articles are one big f*cking joke.

Most on this board have enough knowledge to come up with a list that makes more sense than this one. Or is sports illustrated trying to compete with bleacher report and their mindless list articles written by no talent "journalist?" It seems anybody can be one of those these days.

KI Skins Fan 08-29-2013 08:29 AM

Re: Sports Illustrated NFL Backfield Rankings
 
Any rankings need to start with production.

Lotus 08-29-2013 08:42 AM

Re: Sports Illustrated NFL Backfield Rankings
 
It's all good. No one from SI will be on the field against Philly...but Alfmo will be. :silly:

Hog1 08-29-2013 09:50 AM

Re: Sports Illustrated NFL Backfield Rankings
 
[quote=Lotus;1021102]It's all good. No one from SI will be on the field against Philly...but [B]Alfmo will be[/B]. :silly:[/quote]
You mean....the 2nd ranked running back in 2012?
The one on the worst running attack in the NFL?
......got it

MTK 08-29-2013 09:52 AM

Re: Sports Illustrated NFL Backfield Rankings
 
[quote=JoeRedskin;1021083]Actually, that was someone else. I never got his response to my initial comment. Then saw yours. Had to go back to his feed to see conversation. Not sure how I got left out of the loop.

Essentially, he did not consider Morris w/out Shanahan & RGIII to be a top 10 back. Thought even more ranked higher than Helu. As Smootsmack pointed out, he simply didn't credit Helu for his 2011 efforts and really didn't seem to value Young very much. Admitted that he may have ranked TB high with Leonard as a back up.[/quote]

The guy is clueless if he can't see what Morris brings to the table regardless of the scheme or QB. Vision, quickness, toughness, effort, etc. Again, he's clueless.

Plus Young is one of the better FB's in the league.

Skinzman 08-29-2013 10:10 AM

Re: Sports Illustrated NFL Backfield Rankings
 
[url=http://espn.go.com/blog/nfceast/post/_/id/55470/alfred-morris-better-than-2012]Washington Redskins running back Alfred Morris better than 2012 - ESPN[/url]

Not sure if this has been posted, but a good article by Keim on Alfred.

Monkeydad 08-29-2013 10:11 AM

Re: Sports Illustrated NFL Backfield Rankings
 
The Lions and Bengals are ranked ahead of us.

This list is automatically invalid now.

scowan 08-29-2013 10:16 AM

Re: Sports Illustrated NFL Backfield Rankings
 
[quote=JoeRedskin;1021085]^^ Agreed. Of the three (Griffin, Morris, scheme), however, I think the that Morris gets the least credit or is the most undervalued. Griffin may be seen to benefit from the scheme but even the doubters acknowledge he is a unique talent. Plus, there is this perception that Shanny's scheme produces 1000 yard at the drop of a hat. While true to some extent, the Terrell Davis likely would have succeeded in any offense - not just Shanny's.

Morris is a 1200 yard back in any system. He led the league in yards after contact and in runs of 10 yards or more. [B]Yet, he is constantly overlooked b/c he is in a Shanahan offense and has a stellar QB threat.[/B] On top of that, his personality is such that he simply does not seek this kind of attention.

The more I watch him and read up on analysis by folks who break down tape, the more I am convinced that he is a truly special back - vision, quickness, power and instinct. He is the real deal and far, far better than the talking heads (or anyone outside of Washington) realize. He is in the league of an Arian Foster and certainly better than Gore or Ridley (no disrespect to them, they are good backs - Morris is just better).

Really, other than AP, I would argue AlMo is as good or better than any other back in the league - in any system - but has the good fortune of being in a system perfectly suited for him.[/quote]

When Kirk Cousin played against the Browns (yes it was just one game a small sample size) Morris had 87 yards and 2 TDs. And Kirk had a big day passing, over 300 yards and 2 TDs himself. Also, every fantasy source you read says grab Roy Helu while you can, BUT this clown ranks the Skins #19. Yeah that makes a lot of sense! Whatever, the talking heads are all picking the Cowboys to win the division AGAIN as well. I guess if you keep picking them every year, you will be right eventually?

CRedskinsRule 08-29-2013 10:20 AM

Re: Sports Illustrated NFL Backfield Rankings
 
[quote=scowan;1021119]When Kirk Cousin played against the Browns (yes it was just one game a small sample size) Morris had 87 yards and 2 TDs. And Kirk had a big day passing, over 300 yards and 2 TDs himself. Also, every fantasy source you read says grab Roy Helu while you can, BUT this clown ranks the Skins #19. Yeah that makes a lot of sense! [B]Whatever, the talking heads are all picking the Cowboys to win the division AGAIN as well[/B]. I guess if you keep picking them every year, you will be right eventually?[/quote]

Well, per Steven Jones, they do have that "special sauce" down there. No not drugs, in fact I don't think anyone even has a clue on what he meant.

JoeRedskin 08-29-2013 10:27 AM

Re: Sports Illustrated NFL Backfield Rankings
 
The "secret sauce" comment cracked me up.

<cue sarcastic voice> "Ohhhhhhh, you have the '[I]secret[/I] sauce' for winning championships. Silly us, we were relying on coaching, playmakers and defense."

Also, don't they test for secret sauce under the new CBA??

CRedskinsRule 08-29-2013 10:28 AM

Re: Sports Illustrated NFL Backfield Rankings
 
Just saw that Alfmo signed with Tide. I am actually glad for him. Unlike Griffin, he may never see that huge payday, just due to the nature of the RB position. Anything he can get to put towards a new car ;) is outstanding.

scowan 08-29-2013 10:32 AM

Re: Sports Illustrated NFL Backfield Rankings
 
[quote=JoeRedskin;1021126]The "secret sauce" comment cracked me up.

<cue sarcastic voice> "Ohhhhhhh, you have the '[I]secret[/I] sauce' for winning championships. Silly us, we were relying on coaching, playmakers and defense."

Also, don't they test for secret sauce under the new CBA??[/quote]

Its a habanara sauce that actually injures your players and makes them throw "picks". Miles Austin and Tony Romo eat a lot of it.

Chico23231 08-29-2013 10:32 AM

Re: Sports Illustrated NFL Backfield Rankings
 
Sportsillustrated QB rankings:

30. Radiers
31. Jacksonville
32. Washington Redskins 1. RG3 2. KC 3. RG1
"RG3- Scheme inflated numbers, dont like his haircut, injured knee, problems with the coaching staff, works too hard. KC-Looks more like peter pan than a QB, too positive and professional, cornball QB, bad draft choice aftering drafting RG3 same draft. RG1-shoulda lost his job to P-Dub in the preaseason, too fat, washed up, showed he couldnt lead TD drive after TD drive in the preaseason because that was just luck."

Lotus 08-29-2013 10:36 AM

Re: Sports Illustrated NFL Backfield Rankings
 
[quote=CRedskinsRule;1021122]Well, per Steven Jones, they do have that "special sauce" down there. No not drugs, in fact I don't think anyone even has a clue on what he meant.[/quote]

I saw that, too, and chuckled heartily. What a ridiculous and pointless thing to say. That "special sauce" should lead them to another mediocre finish this year.
They have problems in the backfield, on the OL, on the DL, and in the secondary, problems which no "special sauce" can fix.


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