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KLHJ2 03-16-2005 08:17 PM

Get off of Gibb's!
 
For all of you nay sayers out there, Gibb's did adjust the offense. It was just towards the end of the season when he did it (last 6 games). It was not necessarily his plays that were a problem at the end of the season either. He likes to pull 2 players from the weak side to the strong side to block on runs. That is the basis for his running game. He decided early in the season that pulling two wasn't working so he started pulling only one. The irony was that while this wasn't working for Gibb's during the season, it was working for other teams. Watching NFL playbook this offseason I was able to see that other teams were having success pulling two, particularly when the Patriots did it against the Steelers in the playoffs. So it is not Gibb's or his system. He already addressed the need to get more vertical, and that will eventually open up the running game. If you ask me we needed to solidify an offensive line that was better at pass protection than run blocking. I believe that he has done that this offseason. So lets see where this goes before doubting a man that has already stated that it was going to take some time to reestablish the skins as a threat in the NFL. He had to start from scratch with the team that Steeve had almost built. In closing give him time, get off his back, and lets see where the man can take the Skins. I have full confidence that we will not be disappointed.

Daseal 03-16-2005 08:22 PM

Re: Get off of Gibb's!
 
Spurrier brought in a lot of great players.

That said, teams like the Patriots and Steelers don't completely handcuff their offense by thinking a turnover is the end of the world. NE especially likes to throw the ball. We'll see what happens this year, will he actually make good on his promises to open it up?

CRT3 03-16-2005 08:28 PM

Re: Get off of Gibb's!
 
Angryssg - Well Said!!!

KLHJ2 03-16-2005 08:32 PM

Re: Get off of Gibb's!
 
True Spurrier brought in several good players, but they were players for his system. Remember that Spurrier did get rid of Stephen Davis, who I think would have played well under Gibb's.

As far as your second statement, a coach has to get comfortable with his players' abilities as well as players have to get comfortable with the coach. This past season proved that a turnover could be the end of the road for that team. I also said that Gibb's did open it up a little towards the end of the season. I think that is something to build on. I am in agreeance that I hope that he keeps to his word. The thing to remember is that we are not getting paid to be the coach, he is. His resume is a hell of a lot more impressive than mine or yours.

jrocx69 03-16-2005 08:37 PM

Re: Get off of Gibb's!
 
[QUOTE=Daseal]Spurrier brought in a lot of great players.

That said, teams like the Patriots and Steelers don't completely handcuff their offense by thinking a turnover is the end of the world. NE especially likes to throw the ball. We'll see what happens this year, will he actually make good on his promises to open it up?[/QUOTE]
"great"... :confused:

BrudLee 03-16-2005 08:38 PM

Re: Get off of Gibb's!
 
[QUOTE=angryssg]True Spurrier brought in several good players, but they were players for his system. Remember that Spurrier did get rid of Stephen Davis, who I think would have played well under Gibb's.

As far as your second statement, a coach has to get comfortable with his players' abilities as well as players have to get comfortable with the coach. This past season proved that a turnover could be the end of the road for that team. I also said that Gibb's did open it up a little towards the end of the season. I think that is something to build on. I am in agreeance that I hope that he keeps to his word. The thing to remember is that we are not getting paid to be the coach, he is. His resume is a hell of a lot more impressive than mine or yours.[/QUOTE]
I'd like to call a moratorium on Stephen Davis "what-if's". Though a productive runner for Washington, he is now a 31 year old who [u]still[/u] hasn't had an injury free season, and in fact is coming off of a serious injury. Though I wish him no ill will, I sincerely doubt we will see him among the league leaders again. The decision to let him leave, painful though it was, was correct.

Daseal 03-16-2005 08:42 PM

Re: Get off of Gibb's!
 
As I've said - Gibbs has three years to get his offense going. That gives him time to get his boys here, and time to impliment the system. If he still has this type of offense then, will you still defend him so staunchly?

KLHJ2 03-16-2005 08:50 PM

Re: Get off of Gibb's!
 
[QUOTE=Daseal]As I've said - Gibbs has three years to get his offense going. That gives him time to get his boys here, and time to impliment the system. If he still has this type of offense then, will you still defend him so staunchly?[/QUOTE]

Yes, because while I may be a hero to some, Gibb's is mine. I hope that when I am old and the Army forrces me to retire that there are still those who believe in me and my abilities.

monk81 03-16-2005 09:06 PM

Re: Get off of Gibb's!
 
[QUOTE=Daseal]As I've said - Gibbs has three years to get his offense going. That gives him time to get his boys here, and time to impliment the system. If he still has this type of offense then, will you still defend him so staunchly?[/QUOTE]
Gibbs is a smart man. Do you think he would stick with the same plan if it was ineffective. This is a man that was successful not only in the NFL, but in NASCAR as well. I don't think Gibbs is going to continue "this type of offense" which we saw in the beginning of the season, it's going to be better, Gibbs started to open the offense towards the end of the season, specially when Ramsey got the starting job. We will have a better offensive line (additions of Rabach and a healthy Jon Jansen), Ramsey having a chance to go through a full training camp and preseason to get familiar with Joe's plans. We will have some steady receivers, which may be further upgraded if we draft Williams, and if Portis learns patience and to wait for his blockers our running game should improve as well. And I will staunchly defend Joe Gibbs. :headbange

Sheriff Gonna Getcha 03-16-2005 09:06 PM

Re: Get off of Gibb's!
 
I'm going to break the moratorium on talking about Davis - sorry BrudLee.

Letting Davis go was a good move. First, Davis was set to have a $9.5 million cap figure when he was released. Second, Davis didn't fit Spurrier's scheme. Third, Davis was old. Fourth, the guy isn't exactly durable - he spent basically all of last season and his latest injury has been deemed career threatening.

monk81 03-16-2005 09:09 PM

Re: Get off of Gibb's!
 
[QUOTE=angryssg]For all of you nay sayers out there, Gibb's did adjust the offense. It was just towards the end of the season when he did it (last 6 games). It was not necessarily his plays that were a problem at the end of the season either. He likes to pull 2 players from the weak side to the strong side to block on runs. That is the basis for his running game. He decided early in the season that pulling two wasn't working so he started pulling only one. The irony was that while this wasn't working for Gibb's during the season, it was working for other teams. Watching NFL playbook this offseason I was able to see that other teams were having success pulling two, particularly when the Patriots did it against the Steelers in the playoffs. So it is not Gibb's or his system. He already addressed the need to get more vertical, and that will eventually open up the running game. If you ask me we needed to solidify an offensive line that was better at pass protection than run blocking. I believe that he has done that this offseason. So lets see where this goes before doubting a man that has already stated that it was going to take some time to reestablish the skins as a threat in the NFL. He had to start from scratch with the team that Steeve had almost built. In closing give him time, get off his back, and lets see where the man can take the Skins. I have full confidence that we will not be disappointed.[/QUOTE]

TOTALLY AGREE Angry SSG!!! I HAVE FAITH IN GIBBS!!!!!!!!!

KLHJ2 03-16-2005 09:14 PM

Re: Get off of Gibb's!
 
[QUOTE=Ramseyfan]I'm going to break the moratorium on talking about Davis - sorry BrudLee.

Letting Davis go was a good move. First, Davis was set to have a $9.5 million cap figure when he was released. Second, Davis didn't fit Spurrier's scheme. Third, Davis was old. Fourth, the guy isn't exactly durable - he spent basically all of last season and his latest injury has been deemed career threatening.[/QUOTE]

Old ok. Cap hit, ok injured last season, yeah! But wait, didn't Stephen Davis help the Panthers get to the superbowl? As a matter of fact he did. And you cannot tellme that he wasn't a factor on their offense. Did you see how bad there running game was this year without him, and even worse when they lost Foster?

SmootSmack 03-16-2005 09:36 PM

Re: Get off of Gibb's!
 
[QUOTE=Daseal]As I've said - Gibbs has three years to get his offense going. That gives him time to get his boys here, and time to impliment the system. If he still has this type of offense then, will you still defend him so staunchly?[/QUOTE]

I know it's hard to fully understand what someone is thinking via the Internet, but I get the impression that you're convinced that he's not going to turn things around.

Daseal 03-16-2005 09:46 PM

Re: Get off of Gibb's!
 
Smoot - I have my questions, but I think he could. I'm a Redskins fan, I lack optimism. I didn't see enough last year to go into this coming year with faith in the offense. Could I be wrong? Most certainly. Could I be right? No one on the board wants to think so.

I think he could turn it around, sure. I hope he does, it just shocks me how no one here would even admit his playcalling was sub-par at the end of the season. It was all "on the players." Now people have conceded that playcalling was bad, but I don't see much of a change coming. Hopefully he proves me wrong and stops running an uber conservative offense and opens it up some. I'm not asking for a Spurrier-esque offense. 5-10 more passing plays a game and more effective routes are all I want. I don't think that's outragious. We have a man in Clinton Portis that is hard to stop, but let's back the safeties up.

As far as Stephen Davis goes, don't forget his untimely fumbles.

monk81 03-16-2005 09:56 PM

Re: Get off of Gibb's!
 
[QUOTE=Daseal] It was all "on the players." [/QUOTE]

To the media and fans maybe it was "on the players", but in the post game press conferences, Joe stood up and took the blame and pointed to himself.
Did Joe drop the balls, or was it Gardner? Did Joe commit STUPID penalties or was it Smoot, and others? Did Joe fumble in the last 1:41 of the Cowboy game or was it Brown? YET JOE TOOK THE BLAME.

All we are saying is give the guy a break, he was out of the league for a while, and needed time to adjust. The clock management errors last year were annoying to me, but I'll give the guy a chance and realize it will take more than one season before we see an impact....too much stuff to undo from our numerous past coaches. Maybe you'd prefer to see Norv Turner, or Spurrier back instead............


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