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The Goat 09-24-2013 02:53 PM

Turnaround Time
 
Rehash of an old thread I started ages ago, but it's a new era for the franchise with different issues and challenges. The question is how long does it take to build/rebuild a team? A few posts/comments recently have broached the subject and I think it's a really fascinating question. Another way to ask it, how long should any regime/HC/GM be given to build/rebuild a team?

Feel free to answer from a Redskin specific POV, or more in the abstract.

mredskins 09-24-2013 02:56 PM

Re: Turnaround Time
 
[quote=The Goat;1028535]Rehash of an old thread I started ages ago, but it's a new era for the franchise with different issues and challenges. The question is how long does it take to build/rebuild a team? A few posts/comments recently have broached the subject and I think it's a really fascinating question. Another way to ask it, how long should any regime/HC/GM be given to build/rebuild a team?

Feel free to answer from a Redskin specific POV, or more in the [B]abstract[/B].[/quote]

Sure

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skinsfaninok 09-24-2013 02:57 PM

Re: Turnaround Time
 
Well I don't see us rebuliding the team , I see us adding to a franchise QB.

Now for a skins POV, I think if we do not finish at least .500 Mike should be gone, he got here 4 years ago and started with Mcnabb and then Grossman, finally to RG3 and this team may only have 1 good year out of the 4 he's been here. How many more chances should this staff get?

Gmanc711 09-24-2013 02:57 PM

Re: Turnaround Time
 
Its totally dependent on the team.

A team, like say the Jaguars this year, I'd say realistically 3-5 years. They're so bad and so much needs to be done, that it can't possibly happen in just a season or two.

A team like the Bears, who Trestman took over, I'd give about two years. Right on the brink, a lot of talent already there; shouldn't take as long.

Bucket 09-24-2013 03:02 PM

Re: Turnaround Time
 
Umm..

Wouldn't really say we are rebuilding.. I hate that term, as everyone builds a team in their own image. It's just been more difficult for us because of the CAP situation. I don't see Mike going anywhere for a while. Unless we turn in an 0-16 season which is 100% unlikely.

BaltimoreSkins 09-24-2013 03:06 PM

Re: Turnaround Time
 
From a Redskins POV I would argue we are still 17 million under the cap. We have had coaches who have tried to make better from very little. I don't think it was in this FO gameplan to be playing under the cap for this and last year. I think we will see what Shannahan and Allen anticipated for this team next year.

Gmanc711 09-24-2013 03:08 PM

Re: Turnaround Time
 
[quote=BaltimoreSkins;1028541]From a Redskins POV I would argue we are still 17 million under the cap. We have had coaches who have tried to make better from very little. I don't think it was in this FO gameplan to be playing under the cap for this and last year. I think we will see what Shannahan and Allen anticipated for this team next year.[/quote]

I will agree with this, they really inherited a pretty horrible situation. With the lockout in 2011 and then the cap penalty in 2012/2013, they haven't really had a chance to bring in outside help.

Daseal 09-24-2013 03:09 PM

Re: Turnaround Time
 
[quote=BaltimoreSkins;1028541]From a Redskins POV I would argue we are still 17 million under the cap. We have had coaches who have tried to make better from very little. I don't think it was in this FO gameplan to be playing under the cap for this and last year. I think we will see what Shannahan and Allen anticipated for this team next year.[/quote]

I was going to bring up this same point. Please remember we've been at a massive disadvantage when it comes to obtaining players the past two years. We've had some good drafts, but have not been able to supplement with good free agent players. Missing out on Winston at RT is a big one to me.

BaltimoreSkins 09-24-2013 03:13 PM

Re: Turnaround Time
 
[quote=Gmanc711;1028543]I will agree with this, they really inherited a pretty horrible situation. With the lockout in 2011 and then the cap penalty in 2012/2013, they haven't really had a chance to bring in outside help.[/quote]

We have had to gamble on some players both in the draft and FA that i am not sure would've been brought in otherwise. I don't think Merriweather is even a Redskin last year without that cap hit.

Hog1 09-24-2013 03:15 PM

Re: Turnaround Time
 
[quote=BaltimoreSkins;1028546][B]We have had to gamble on some players[/B] both in the draft and FA that i am not sure would've been brought in otherwise. I don't think Merriweather is even a Redskin last year without that cap hit.[/quote]
Exactly....What moron would believe without the cap hit we would choose to load our backfield with this band of rabble?
Haslett? sure..........

skinsguy 09-24-2013 03:16 PM

Re: Turnaround Time
 
I agree. You can't just look at 0-3 right now and say that this regime has reached its ceiling and been given a golden opportunity to have this team rebuilt. Nobody saw the big $36 million penalty coming, and the 'skins are reaping the benefit of that now. Mike Shanahan said it would take about five years to turn this team around, he's in year four. Give him one more year, and if successful - give him a one year extension. If the 'skins continue to improve and make the playoffs, then sign him to a bigger contract.

The Goat 09-24-2013 03:17 PM

Re: Turnaround Time
 
Good points all around.

I keep going back to the stat somewhere that an NFL players average career is about three years, it's kind of make it or break it in that three year window. And you see a ton of teams get turned around in about that time even if they started with crap e.g. the Lions who just beat us. Absolutely terrible team when Schwartz took over. So I think there's pretty good reasons to say three years is a good benchmark for a regime/HC/GM to show the world their definitely on the right track and improving year over year, though maybe not a contender. On the far end of the spectrum you have Pete Carroll and Seattle looking like contenders after just a couple years, but they started with some real solid talent like Gmanc said about the bears.

Chico23231 09-24-2013 03:35 PM

Re: Turnaround Time
 
I think the turnaround can happen but I think we need some fresh faces on the field to help: More Helu, Darryl Young, Fred Davis on offense. Tanard Jax, Chase, Jarvis and Jackson coming back from suspension. Maybe more Barnett.

We cant expect a turnaround with the same players on the field.

Monkeydad 09-24-2013 03:43 PM

Re: Turnaround Time
 
It may have been nearly 5 years ago, but we are STILL feeling some effects from the decade of destruction which was Vinny Cerrato. The damage he did to every level of this organization has not been an easy thing to un-do, but we're getting close.

Without the bogus cap penalty, we'd be in much better shape but we do have a lot more positives than negatives going for us right now. Our season will turn around. Next year, we're going to load up this team when we can return to spending a full salary cap amount.

SmootSmack 09-24-2013 03:45 PM

Re: Turnaround Time
 
Every team is different. But perhaps more importantly, turnaround is easy. Sustaining it is what's hard


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