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NC_Skins 01-13-2014 10:44 PM

2013 PFF Offensive Line Rankings
 
Our line was much better than what people gave them credit for.

[B]
3. Washington Redskins (16th)
PB: 4th, RB: 8th, PEN: 3rd

Stud: An All-Pro-(or at least second team)-like performance from Trent Williams (+38.3). He has moments that make you smack your head, but by and large he’ll slow down elite pass rushers and has the kind of athleticism that generates movement whatever scheme you’re running.

Dud: Too many bad days for Chris Chester (-5.5) who continues to baffle with his streaky play.

Analysis: This ranking won’t please many Redskins fans who see the line as the route of their problems. The truth is the Shanahans had the zone blocking scheme working perfectly with there regularly huge cutback lanes for their backs to work with. Much is made of the hits Robert Griffin III took as if every single one of them must be the responsibility of the line. Well RG3 himself was charged with 10 of those sacks (more than any other player on the team) as the team gave whoever was quarterback ample time to get the job done. The big question now is what Jay Gruden intends for this line and whether he’ll move to a more power based scheme that could put a number of jobs on the line.[/B]


Your QBs (both of them) can't hold the ball as long as they did and not expect to get sacked. Robert and Kirk were responsible for a good deal of those sacks this year and I'm not the only one that noticed this.

skinsfaninok 01-13-2014 10:47 PM

We have a top 3 LT and usually that means u have a solid line to begin with. Thanks for the stat

Bucket 01-14-2014 01:37 AM

Re: 2013 PFF Offensive Line Rankings
 
Yeah, running 2 WR routes didn't have anything to do with holding the ball to long either.

A lot more involved in holding the ball then just the QB. Not saying they didn't. Just saying it wasn't always them.

donofriose 01-14-2014 06:45 AM

Re: 2013 PFF Offensive Line Rankings
 
QB sucked
WRs as a whole sucker
OL sucked.

Team is 3-13.

WillH 01-14-2014 08:16 AM

Re: 2013 PFF Offensive Line Rankings
 
I'm sorry, I don't buy it. I mean I agree that fG3 held the ball too long on some plays, but more often then not the pocket would collapse immediately, or never form at all.

NC_Skins 01-14-2014 08:57 AM

Re: 2013 PFF Offensive Line Rankings
 
[quote=Bucket;1055421]Yeah, running 2 WR routes didn't have anything to do with holding the ball to long either.

A lot more involved in holding the ball then just the QB. Not saying they didn't. Just saying it wasn't always them.[/quote]


..or a QB that scanned only 1/2 of the field. Some professionals analyzed game tape, and even cooley said this about him.

Chico23231 01-14-2014 08:59 AM

Re: 2013 PFF Offensive Line Rankings
 
Rankings or not the Oline never seemed in unison working as a group. Seemed like a serious lack of chemistry, so aside from the individual rankings, as a whole they struggled especially in pass protection.

Polumbus and Chester need to go now. I think Monty's time at center should be up as well.

jamf 01-14-2014 09:10 AM

Re: 2013 PFF Offensive Line Rankings
 
what a bullshit ranking.

The Redskins did everything they can scheme wise to limit Oline problems by pretty much only using 3 step drops and 2 WR routes and leaving 7 to block.

If this line was really a top ranked line, the QB would take 7 step drops which would let the WR's get down feel and create lanes for big plays. You don't get big plays from quick dump passes and it shows.

Ruhskins 01-14-2014 10:00 AM

Re: 2013 PFF Offensive Line Rankings
 
At the end of the day, it seemed that no defense respected this line and RG3 didn't trust it. I'm sure RG3 and Cousins were guilty of a number of sacks, but it is hard to consider them a top ranked o-line when you constantly saw just about every lineman (except TW) get bulldozed by the opponent's d-line.

mredskins 01-14-2014 10:14 AM

Re: 2013 PFF Offensive Line Rankings
 
It is going tbe interesting to see if Alfmo is good because of Alfmo or MS's zone blocking next year.

Mattyk 01-14-2014 10:23 AM

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Gruden likes zone schemes too, but he favors the inside zone running. Morris should be fine.

NC_Skins 01-14-2014 10:39 AM

Re: 2013 PFF Offensive Line Rankings
 
[quote=Mattyk;1055462]Gruden likes zone schemes too, but he favors the inside zone running. Morris should be fine.[/quote]


That said. Our interior line is in need of a huge upgrade. (and RT)

Monkeydad 01-14-2014 10:45 AM

Re: 2013 PFF Offensive Line Rankings
 
RGIII and Cousins were sacked 43 times. Tannehill was sacked 58 times, Flacco 48 and then a ton of guys in the 38-44 range, so we're near the top league in QB sacks our two QBs combined. Our QBs were hit 95 times, good for 10th in the league even with a mobile QB. (Browns led league with 121 QB hits)

I think Alfred Morris is really throwing this grade of our O-line off. The right side of our line was a revolving door in pass protection.

Look how many screen passes our offense threw. Whether it was out of planning or necessity because of the lack of pass protection, the QBs did not hold onto the ball long on those plays, which seemed to be a staple of our offense. With Garcon's ability to turn a screen into a big play, it's not a bad thing but there were times where we'd run multiple screens in a row.

Kyle Shanahan's playcalling...good riddance.

SirLK26 01-14-2014 11:27 AM

Re: 2013 PFF Offensive Line Rankings
 
[quote=WillH;1055439]I'm sorry, I don't buy it. I mean I agree that fG3 held the ball too long on some plays, [B]but more often then not the pocket would collapse immediately, or never form at all.[/B][/quote]

Exactly. The left side is solid, thanks to Williams. But the right side of the line never formed into a pocket, thanks to Chester and Polumbus. Does anyone have that GIF of Polumbus backing up as soon as the ball is snapped?

[url=http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1688619-breaking-down-what-makes-tyler-polumbus-the-nfls-worst-starter]Breaking Down What Makes Tyler Polumbus the NFL's Worst Starter | Bleacher Report[/url]

Evilgrin 01-14-2014 11:38 AM

Re: 2013 PFF Offensive Line Rankings
 
[quote=jamf;1055445]what a bullshit ranking.

The Redskins did everything they can scheme wise to limit Oline problems by pretty much only using 3 step drops and 2 WR routes and leaving 7 to block.

If this line was really a top ranked line, the QB would take 7 step drops which would let the WR's get down feel and create lanes for big plays. You don't get big plays from quick dump passes and it shows.[/quote]

Agreed, you have to be real careful with PFF rankings sometimes. I generally agree with the way they grade players though. Scheme, pistol, alot of things were done, but the line was never meant for pass pro. The interior is the problem, the edges of the line are elite or good enough. They should sacrifice some mobility and go for more size and strength IMO. I doubt it affects Morris at all, he is great with contact anyways. The other thing is we struggle blocking outside of the pocket area, WRs and TEs this year. As we've seen on film, one missed blocked from a WR or TE can ruin a play. The assignments get so complicated, and that is another knock on Shanahan, too much thinking.


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