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Mattyk 03-28-2005 07:51 PM

guidance on flag football
 
Are there official rules we can go by?

I need to let the other sites know how many players we're talking about, and a standard set of game rules would be nice too.

Any suggestions post em here. Thanks

Mattyk 03-28-2005 07:54 PM

Re: guidance on flag football
 
I found these on the NIRSA site, let me know how they look

[url]http://64.233.161.104/search?q=cache:oWaL7mEQLVwJ:www.units.muohio.edu/rsp/RSCWeb/Intramurals/Rulebooks/flag%2520fb%2520rulebook_04.pdf+NIRSA+flag+football&hl=en[/url]

SmootSmack 03-28-2005 08:02 PM

Re: guidance on flag football
 
Depending on how much room we have on the fields maybe we should have a handful of Warpath teams (and Extremeskins teams, etc.) so this way more people get a chance to play

Gmanc711 03-28-2005 08:10 PM

Re: guidance on flag football
 
[QUOTE=TAFKAS]Depending on how much room we have on the fields maybe we should have a handful of Warpath teams (and Extremeskins teams, etc.) so this way more people get a chance to play[/QUOTE]

Depending how many people are interested you could have like two mini tournements (ex: Warpathers vs Warpathers, Extremeskins vs Extremskins) then you could have the winning teams face off or somthing like that. Again it depends on the types of turnouts you get. I think a site like us; we could go one team and still be alright with everyone still getting a chance to play.

KLHJ2 03-28-2005 08:17 PM

Re: guidance on flag football
 
Is there no way that we could swing a tackle game? 7 on 7 is a QB scrambling game. In other words if the QB is a good runner, then that is the majority of the offensive plays the whole game. I am one who would have alot to lose should I get hurt, because my job depends on my overall health. But, I would really love to play one last tackle game before I end up old, out of shape, and on an inhaler. I dont want my last game of HS football 8 years ago to be my last, full contact, organized game. Right now I am like Al Bundy re-living his glory days on the couch. I am sure that many men feel the same way that I do. They want to play the right way, because they love the game the way that it is supposed to be. FULL CONTACT. I do not care if I get hurt, because I will heal, and this proposed game is another form of healing!

That Guy 03-28-2005 08:18 PM

Re: guidance on flag football
 
the only site i think that could field multiple teams easily would be extremeskins...
they could just work out sub rules or something...


tackle is a MUCH bigger liablity then flag especially with sponsors, some uninsured players etc...

SmootSmack 03-28-2005 08:28 PM

Re: guidance on flag football
 
When I played intramural flag football in college we had a rule that said the QB could only run once every four downs, or maybe it was only if he was being blitz

I forget exactly but I remember that there was some rule that prevented the QB from just scrambling on every play

TheMalcolmConnection 03-28-2005 08:34 PM

Re: guidance on flag football
 
I would love to play tackle but I feel the only way this will work is by playing flag.

Being as such, if we actually can get 11-on-11 games going on, I think that people will have to run legit plays and that even if the QB scrambles, someone will be there to get him.

joecrisp 03-28-2005 08:36 PM

Re: guidance on flag football
 
I played in a local 8-man league here in Richmond last year, and we played according to the USFFA rulebook:

[url]http://www.usffa.org/rulebook.htm[/url]

I really liked the way the USFFA game is played.

I would think we could do 8-on-8, and perhaps even have offensive and defensive squads, if each team can get 16 people. That way, you've got plenty of subs.

Here's some other good sites for flag football guidelines:

[url]http://www.flagfootball.org/StylesOfPlay.htm[/url]

[url]http://www.aftfl.com/rulebook.cfm[/url]

[url]http://www.nvffa.com/rules04.htm[/url]

Gmanc711 03-28-2005 08:40 PM

Re: guidance on flag football
 
[QUOTE=TheMalcolmConnection]I would love to play tackle but I feel the only way this will work is by playing flag.

Being as such, if we actually can get 11-on-11 games going on, I think that people will have to run legit plays and that even if the QB scrambles, someone will be there to get him.[/QUOTE]

I agree; theres no way we could play tackle and have it work-out. At least not sponsored and everything like were talking. I do think we could get 11 on 11 going with the "dummie bags" as someone else was saying. That would be alot of fun, we could have pulling gaurds and stuff. It'd be a blast. Counter Tre!! :headbange

TheMalcolmConnection 03-28-2005 08:41 PM

Re: guidance on flag football
 
8-on-8 with offensive and defensive squads would be a great idea.

It keeps the number of teams down to a minimum and gives everyone a chance to play.

Hey Matty, did you ask any of the websites you contacted to email the Redskins to show THEIR interest too?

KLHJ2 03-28-2005 08:47 PM

Re: guidance on flag football
 
[QUOTE=TAFKAS]When I played intramural flag football in college we had a rule that said the QB could only run once every four downs, or maybe it was only if he was being blitz

I forget exactly but I remember that there was some rule that prevented the QB from just scrambling on every play[/QUOTE]

I have played flag football for every Post that I have been assigned to and even with those rules, the team with the mobile QB usually wins. It is no fun. In 7 on 7 all players are eligible receivers. Imagine running passing routes 20 or 30 plays in a row and the ball only gets thrown on about 10 to 12 of those plays. That is 7 on 7 flag football. Bye the way you might attempt 3 designed running plays in that 20-30 set. Everybody gets to run around, but not everyone gats a solid chance at the ball.

In 11 on 11 more people are on the field, bet there is less chaos. A maximum of 5 people are eligible for a pass instead of 6. Pluss you have blockers that can do more than just stand there with their arms behind their backs trying to shield defenders. Look I can go on and on about this.

Give me a waiver that states that I am fully responsible for my own actions, and I will sign it. Lets play real football.

Bye the way, I do not care if Brian Mitchell endorses flag football. I would love to play the real thing. I will play either way though.

joecrisp 03-28-2005 09:03 PM

Re: guidance on flag football
 
While there were a few scrambling QBs in my league, the most effective offenses were predicated on the short passing game.

Most defenses were able to deploy an effective QB containment strategy, while maintaining adequate coverage downfield. This mostly requires discipline on the part of the D-linemen/linebackers, maintaining the proper angles on the quarterback so that he can't esape outside or up the middle.

If you're playing 8-on-8, you'll usually have 3 blockers (center and two tackles), a quarterback and 4 receivers on offense. On defense, you'll want 2 linemen, a linebacker, 4 cornerbacks and a safety, or some variation, depending on what kind of offense you're facing. Generally, though, the linemen and linebacker(s) are able to keep the QB in check and force him to throw the ball.

As far as contact goes, there was plenty of contact in that 8-man league, especially if you were on the line. We were allowed to jam receivers within 5 yards of the LOS, also. It's not tackle, but it's pretty damn fun, regardless.

I don't think there's any way we'd be able to get a tackle game approved, or attract enough interested players to make it work. Most folks just don't want to risk the kind of injury that can occur in tackle football. Heck, I played flag last fall and broke my finger. I wasn't cleared for work for six weeks, which meant I had to take short-term disability pay. Let's just say getting 50% of your pay for six weeks is no vacation-- especially when you're not making much to begin with.

KLHJ2 03-28-2005 09:29 PM

Re: guidance on flag football
 
[QUOTE=joecrisp]While there were a few scrambling QBs in my league, the most effective offenses were predicated on the short passing game.

Most defenses were able to deploy an effective QB containment strategy, while maintaining adequate coverage downfield. This mostly requires discipline on the part of the D-linemen/linebackers, maintaining the proper angles on the quarterback so that he can't esape outside or up the middle.

If you're playing 8-on-8, you'll usually have 3 blockers (center and two tackles), a quarterback and 4 receivers on offense. On defense, you'll want 2 linemen, a linebacker, 4 cornerbacks and a safety, or some variation, depending on what kind of offense you're facing. Generally, though, the linemen and linebacker(s) are able to keep the QB in check and force him to throw the ball.

As far as contact goes, there was plenty of contact in that 8-man league, especially if you were on the line. We were allowed to jam receivers within 5 yards of the LOS, also. It's not tackle, but it's pretty damn fun, regardless.

I don't think there's any way we'd be able to get a tackle game approved, or attract enough interested players to make it work. Most folks just don't want to risk the kind of injury that can occur in tackle football. Heck, I played flag last fall and broke my finger. I wasn't cleared for work for six weeks, which meant I had to take short-term disability pay. Let's just say getting 50% of your pay for six weeks is no vacation-- especially when you're not making much to begin with.[/QUOTE]

I never thought that I would be saying this to a civilian. I work on salary and get paid whether I am hurt, or not, able to show up to work, or not. The funny thing is that you make more money than I do.

You must have been playing with a bunch of guys that have not evolved the flag game as much as we have. When I said that the QB made up modt of the yards, I meant it. There is much more defense in the flag that I play. Players do not get open often, and the QB has no choice but to try and scramble, but because of the limitations of the O line in flag, he doesnt have anywhere to go. However, every once in a while he breaks free. Often games are decided by 1 or 2 scores and if a total of 25 points were scored. It was a high scoring game. 13-12

Mattyk 03-28-2005 10:05 PM

Re: guidance on flag football
 
I played in intramural flag football leagues in college and I don't remember the rule regarding the QB and scrambling, but it was never an issue. I'll ask one of my buddies to see if he remembers.

As far as playing tackle, if we want the Redskins involved it would probably never happen, just too much liability at stake.

Even though I'd love to play some old fashioned smash mouth ball, I can't risk getting seriously injured either. It's one thing when you're 20 something years old, it's a whole different story when you're 32 and have bills to pay.


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