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Mattyk 01-21-2014 02:20 PM

the all encompassing 'discuss all things offseason' thread sponsored by Paintrain
 
Continued from here [url]http://www.thewarpath.net/redskins-locker-room/56052-jay-gruden-hired-head-coach-redskins-51.html[/url]

Paintrain 01-21-2014 03:07 PM

Re: the all encompassing 'discuss all things offseason' thread sponsored by Paintrain
 
Lol, I'm so honored.

Since the pressure is now on, here's an interesting look at how the varied offseason approaches between us and Seattle have led us to divergent paths.

[url=http://espn.go.com/blog/washington-redskins/post/_/id/4989/redskins-seahawks-took-different-paths]Redskins, Seahawks took different paths - Washington Redskins Blog - ESPN[/url]

I'm sure this will just open up the draft vs. free agency discussion again.

skinsfaninok 01-21-2014 03:10 PM

Rak will stay , we will re sign him and hopefully he'll get better and better

FRPLG 01-21-2014 03:10 PM

Re: the all encompassing 'discuss all things offseason' thread sponsored by Paintrain
 
Well the point of the article was more that Seattle has been very good in the draft and we weren't.

NYCskinfan82 01-21-2014 03:11 PM

Re: the all encompassing 'discuss all things offseason' thread sponsored by Paintrain
 
Rak is good I'm hoping with the hiring of the new OLB coach he will just get that much better.

skinsfaninok 01-21-2014 03:14 PM

[QUOTE=FRPLG;1056658]Well the point of the article was more that Seattle has been very good in the draft and we weren't.[/QUOTE]

I mean the teams went in different directions for many reasons.

1. They are loaded with talent we r not
2. Pete Carroll has done a great job with this team and they love the guy, obviously ms didn't get that same treatment.
3. RW didn't have a horrible knee injury and miss all OS.
4. They have a dominant set of DBs, ours are as bad as it gets with Wilson starting.
5. Injuries killed us this yr, who was their big injury? Nobody

Lotus 01-21-2014 03:21 PM

Re: the all encompassing 'discuss all things offseason' thread sponsored by Paintrain
 
The Seahawks defense is driven by the Legion of Boom, who allow the front 7 to gamble and blitz more. And the Legion of Boom is made up primarily of lower round draft picks.

The point is that the Seahawks have done something we haven't done: develop players. Coach 'em up. Make them better than they should be on paper.

The Seahawks teach us that player development is more important than draft vs. free agency.

Mattyk 01-21-2014 03:22 PM

Re: the all encompassing 'discuss all things offseason' thread sponsored by Paintrain
 
[url=http://espn.go.com/blog/washington-redskins/post/_/id/4962/qa-sean-mcvay]Q&A: Sean McVay - Washington Redskins Blog - ESPN[/url]

McVay is going to serve as QB coach, Gruden to call the plays.

skinsfaninok 01-21-2014 03:23 PM

[QUOTE=Mattyk;1056662][url=http://espn.go.com/blog/washington-redskins/post/_/id/4962/qa-sean-mcvay]Q&A: Sean McVay - Washington Redskins Blog - ESPN[/url]

McVay is going to serve as QB coach, Gruden to call the plays.[/QUOTE]

So he's not the OC then, which is fine JG did a good job in CIN

Paintrain 01-21-2014 03:34 PM

Re: the all encompassing 'discuss all things offseason' thread sponsored by Paintrain
 
[quote=Lotus;1056661]The Seahawks defense is driven by the Legion of Boom, who allow the front 7 to gamble and blitz more. And the Legion of Boom is made up primarily of lower round draft picks.

The point is that the Seahawks have done something we haven't done: develop players. Coach 'em up. Make them better than they should be on paper.

[B]The Seahawks teach us that player development is more important than draft vs. free agency.[/B][/quote]

This is the key. How we get a player is rather irrelevant, it's what we do when they get here that's the key. That's one ding on bringing back so many position coaches. We have done a terrible job of developing players for a long, long time. I think players like Kerrigan, Amerson, Rak, Williams, Hankerson, Helu, even Morris and of course RG3 have a lot more upside that we've yet to see.

mredskins 01-21-2014 03:42 PM

Re: the all encompassing 'discuss all things offseason' thread sponsored by Paintrain
 
[quote=skinsfaninok;1056660]I mean the teams went in different directions for many reasons.

1. They are loaded with talent we r not
2. Pete Carroll has done a great job with this team and they love the guy, obviously ms didn't get that same treatment.
3. RW didn't have a horrible knee injury and miss all OS.
4. They have a dominant set of DBs, ours are as bad as it gets with Wilson starting.
[B]5. Injuries killed us this yr, who was their big injury? Nobody[/B][/quote]

Actually we had a pretty injury free year. LAst year we sustained more injuries at least to key players.

skinsfan69 01-21-2014 03:45 PM

Re: the all encompassing 'discuss all things offseason' thread sponsored by Paintrain
 
[quote=Paintrain;1056656]Lol, I'm so honored.

Since the pressure is now on, here's an interesting look at how the varied offseason approaches between us and Seattle have led us to divergent paths.

[URL="http://espn.go.com/blog/washington-redskins/post/_/id/4989/redskins-seahawks-took-different-paths"]Redskins, Seahawks took different paths - Washington Redskins Blog - ESPN[/URL]

I'm sure this will just open up the draft vs. free agency discussion again.[/quote]

They've just done a better overall job picking players and having a true plan. Seattle has taken some chances in free agency, hit on some and missed on some. But the players they've picked at almost every position is better than ours.

Mattyk 01-21-2014 03:50 PM

Re: the all encompassing 'discuss all things offseason' thread sponsored by Paintrain
 
[quote=skinsfaninok;1056663]So he's not the OC then, which is fine JG did a good job in CIN[/quote]

Not every OC calls plays

skinsguy 01-21-2014 03:55 PM

Re: the all encompassing 'discuss all things offseason' thread sponsored by Paintrain
 
[quote=Paintrain;1056656]Lol, I'm so honored.

Since the pressure is now on, here's an interesting look at how the varied offseason approaches between us and Seattle have led us to divergent paths.

[url=http://espn.go.com/blog/washington-redskins/post/_/id/4989/redskins-seahawks-took-different-paths]Redskins, Seahawks took different paths - Washington Redskins Blog - ESPN[/url]

I'm sure this will just open up the draft vs. free agency discussion again.[/quote]

The article didn't mention Jordan Reed?

What I take away from the article is simply that Seattle hit on their lower round picks and drafted a lot of defense. I always believe that a sign of a great GM is one who can find the diamonds in the rough in the lower rounds. I know someone here won't agree with me on that, but it's obvious that's true. Mike Shanahan had the final say, and seemed to hit more on the offensive side of the ball than defense. Yet he still seeemed to whiff on offensive linemen and the secondary. Seattle's GM picked the players while Carroll coached the team. The 'skins have that in place now. Let's compare the two after this version of the front office, and after Gruden has been in place for a couple seasons.

skinsguy 01-21-2014 03:57 PM

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[quote=skinsfaninok;1056663]So he's not the OC then, which is fine JG did a good job in CIN[/quote]

He is the offensive coordinator. He'll fill in when Gruden needs him to - whether if it is running meetings, offensive drills in practice, whatever is needed...he'll also help to game plan with Gruden. He just won't be calling plays on game day.


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