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saden1 04-01-2005 01:18 AM

Maurice Clarett Episode II
 
Apparently he ran [URL=http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/draft05/news/story?id=2026922]faster[/URL] but not by much. Seriously though, I'd take this guy in the 4rd round if he isn't picked up by then. Perhaps it's because I feel sorry for the guy. I wonder how fast he was in college.

jamf 04-01-2005 03:19 AM

Re: Maurice Clarett Episode II
 
walter payton, barry sanders and emmit smith ran in the 4.5-4.6 range.

speed isnt the most important thing. those guys have heart.

clarett is a crybaby with no fight inside of him. He is only putting on the "good guy" show because its finacially rewarding.

the guy could be a good pro, but mostlikely he is going to be a problem for the team that drafts him.

Yellow31 04-01-2005 08:12 AM

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[QUOTE=jamf]
clarett is a crybaby with no fight inside of him. He is only putting on the "good guy" show because its finacially rewarding.

the guy could be a good pro, but mostlikely he is going to be a problem for the team that drafts him.[/QUOTE]
WOW that says it all!!!

PSUSkinsFan21 04-01-2005 08:34 AM

Re: Maurice Clarett Episode II
 
I wouldn't even waste a seventh rounder on him. I'd say he has character issues, but I don't know if that's possible for someone who simply has no character at all. The guy is just a total train wreck. So far he's shown that he is an injury-prone former high school standout with sub-par speed and a poor work ethic who couldn't make it through a single college season without missing about 25% of the games and then subsequently getting suspended by his team. Nothing about him appeals to me.

ChounsMan 04-01-2005 08:43 AM

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Remember Emmitt Smith was not very fast, but damn was he elusive to tackle in the open field. I like to see how agile he is before I would waste a pick on him.

EEich 04-01-2005 08:48 AM

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This guy is a marginal athlete with a questionable attitude and no integrity.
All he has right now is name recognition. We could do better.

BrudLee 04-01-2005 08:48 AM

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The Emmitt Smith comparison is bothersome. Emmitt had two very good years of college football, and didn't show any drop-off in skill. Though some were surprised by his selection as early as it was, everyone thought he'd be a good pro (maybe not the career leader, but...).

Clarett, by any measure, had a fantastic freshman year. However, he showed what most teams would call "character issues" - not by attempting to leave early, but by burning every available bridge in doing so. He has also shown a physical dropoff, or at the very least inconsistency, in his workouts and appearances since leaving THE Ohio State.

I believe that Clarett, at his peak, is probably a top ten NFL-caliber Running Back talent. Since he is unable to motivate himself to that peak with his livelihood on the line, it would be foolish to think that a coaching staff - even a very good one - will do it for him.

The road to NFL greatness is littered with superstar talent that couldn't put it all together. Maurice Clarett is probably headed to that path, to break bread with the Lawrence Phillipses and Jeff Georges whose talent wasn't enough to overcome the mental or emotional obstacles they bring to the table.

sportscurmudgeon 04-01-2005 09:36 AM

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Hey folks; look on the bright side here. Maybe he only shaved 0.05 seconds off his really slow time in the 40, but you have to keep this in mind:

He didn't quit and walk out of this workout like he did at the combine. Not even once...

Draw all the comparisons to Emmitt Smith that you want. Smith's records and achievements in the NFL are in no danger from Maurice Clarett.

Mattyk 04-01-2005 10:15 AM

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moving to the NFL draft forum

Daseal 04-01-2005 11:44 AM

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I'd take him in the 4th too. Say what you want about his heart, which none of you have even gotten a glimpse of, I'm sure.

I know one thing. His legs lead his team to a national championship where they trounced Miami. The same Miami that had our very own Sean Taylor and all those 1st round picks!

He has football speed, but doesn't run a quick 40. He put on a TON of muscle mass this offseason. He made himself bigger and more powerful. So it's silly to say he had a physical drop off. He was working out and adding bulk!

These character issues are overblown. Everyone's just mad because he showed how useless college is for great atheletes. Instead of letting him farm his name around for cash, he wanted to play in the big league. He proved everything he had to prove to people as a freshman. He obviously wasn't interested in a college degree, and when you play D1 sports -- that school OWNS you.

We couldn't get a better player in the 4th round. I don't think he has character issues. All this guy wants is to play football. He's getting his wish, I think he'll be good.

PSUFan - let's not call him a highschool standout when he leads his team to the championship as a freshman in college. While the (almost identical) team fights just to get a bowl big the next year. He's two times what Larry Johnson is. Hell, Vermeil called Larry Johnson a crybaby. Never heard a coach call Clarett that.

No work ethic eh? Guess that's why he put on so much muscle during the offseason.

Defensewins 04-01-2005 12:32 PM

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Great post Daseal.
No work ethic? How many 17-18 year old freshman come on to a top college team and lead them in rushing and to an NCAA championship? He needed work ethic to get himself there.

PSUSkinsFan21 04-01-2005 01:40 PM

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[QUOTE=Daseal]I'd take him in the 4th too. Say what you want about his heart, which none of you have even gotten a glimpse of, I'm sure.

I know one thing. His legs lead his team to a national championship where they trounced Miami. The same Miami that had our very own Sean Taylor and all those 1st round picks!

He has football speed, but doesn't run a quick 40. He put on a TON of muscle mass this offseason. He made himself bigger and more powerful. So it's silly to say he had a physical drop off. He was working out and adding bulk!

These character issues are overblown. Everyone's just mad because he showed how useless college is for great atheletes. Instead of letting him farm his name around for cash, he wanted to play in the big league. He proved everything he had to prove to people as a freshman. He obviously wasn't interested in a college degree, and when you play D1 sports -- that school OWNS you.

We couldn't get a better player in the 4th round. I don't think he has character issues. All this guy wants is to play football. He's getting his wish, I think he'll be good.

PSUFan - let's not call him a highschool standout when he leads his team to the championship as a freshman in college. While the (almost identical) team fights just to get a bowl big the next year. He's two times what Larry Johnson is. Hell, Vermeil called Larry Johnson a crybaby. Never heard a coach call Clarett that.

No work ethic eh? Guess that's why he put on so much muscle during the offseason.[/QUOTE]

Here you go again. You just have to make it personal, don't you? Well you called me out, so here goes.

First, of all, didn't that championship game go to multiple overtimes? Explain to me how Ohio State "trounced" Miami in a game that went to overtime. And most people that actually know anything about college football will tell you that the Buckeyes rode their defense to that championship, not the legs of Maurice Clarett. It was 17-17 at the end of regulation and the wonderful Clarett ended the game, plus two overtimes with a whopping 47 yards on 23 carries. WOW, just a shade over 2 yards per carry. Boy, you really got me there Daseal.

Second of all, I know that your comment about Clarett being "two times what Larry Johnson is" was only meant to get under my skin, because you couldn't actually be serious, so I hesitate to dignify such a comment by getting into a long tirade over why such a statement is so ludicrous, but I'll try to let the facts speak for themselves.

2002 Season:
Clarett: 222 attempts, 1237 yards, 5.6 Yd/att, 16 tds (and he missed three full games and two partial games because he's brittle.....I mean he was injured)
Johnson: 271 attempts, 2087 yards, 7.7 Yd/att, 20 tds (and he missed zero games for injury)

In what category is Clarett better? Next time, please have some support for your argument.

In addition, when Clarett gets drafted in the first round like LJ, then maybe I'll give your argument some credit. Right now Clarett will be LUCKY to sniff the 4th or 5th round. But I suppose that's just because every single NFL coach and GM are just not as smart as Daseal because they don't realize that he's "two times" what LJ is as a back. I guess Daseal is right, and every other professional scout in the NFL is wrong. I guess Mel Kiper, whose life it is to project college players into the NFL, doesn't know what he's talking about when he says there is no way Clarett goes before the 5th or 6th rounds. That's right, everyone else in the world of football is wrong, but Daseal is right.

As for work ethic: Explain to me why Clarett, who's had nothing better to do with his time but work out over the past two years, quit the combine after posting a 40 time that puts him in competition with fullbacks and athletic tight ends? Football speed? Where do you see that? I've not heard a single NFL scout say that. Oh, he rebounded nicely at this last individual workout? Great for him. I hope he really impressed those 5 or 6 teams that even cared enough to send somebody to witness it.

As for the "crybaby" comment. Vermeil apologized to LJ for making that comment and said it was taken out of context. By the end of the year, he was singing his praises. And if you want to know what kind of player/guy Clarett is, why don't you just ask coach Neuheisel? Clarett would be lucky to only be called a "crybaby" by Neuheisal. But I guess that particular former coach's comments, and the fact that he SUSPENDED HIM FROM THE TEAM FOR A FULL YEAR really mean that he loves Clarett. Come on, seriously, this is perhaps the weakest argument you've ever tried making (and that's really saying something coming from me)

Clarett is a joke. Plain and simple.

PSUSkinsFan21 04-01-2005 01:51 PM

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Oops, I meant Tressel. Not sure why I said Neuheisel.

Defensewins 04-01-2005 02:13 PM

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The score may not have reflected it, but OSU physically beat up Miami. The pre-game Vegas point spread had Miami favored by something like two or three TD's. So it was a huge upset. Not many college football experts gave OSU a chance in that game. Willis McGahee and Ken Dorsey got beat up in that game.
Regarding your comparison of 2002 season player stats of L.J. and M.C....you need to put your comparion into persective.
Do you think it is a fair to compare (in 2002) a 22 year old Larry Johnson to a 19 year old Maurice Clarret?
Larry Johson was born on 11/19/79.
Maurice Clarret was born on 10/29/83.
Not a very good comparison. But yet who has the NCAA Championship ring? If he has not pawned it for beer money.


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