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MTK 04-12-2005 07:35 PM

Arrington vs. Taylor: Who's the bigger "problem"?
Both guys catch alot of heat here, who's the more problematic player in your opinion?

BigSKINBauer 04-12-2005 08:03 PM

Re: Arrington vs. Taylor: Who's the bigger "problem"?
taylor got heat from the press too during the conference. He signed a deal 1 year ago and knew what he was getting into (not that i am saying arringtons ignorance is a right to demand more Mulla), Taylor needs to come back and play w/ us. Gibbs talked to Arrington more lately than taylor. Moss has had many conversations w/ Gibbs and i am less worried about his ass for now. Taylor hasn't been the most vocal since he got here. I just think the arrington thing will blow over, its nothing he just got emotional.
I just hope arrington will say something soon and forgive because he clearly forgot what happened.

TheMalcolmConnection 04-12-2005 08:07 PM

Re: Arrington vs. Taylor: Who's the bigger "problem"?
I'm going to say a very unpopular opinion, but I really don't feel like either of them are a TRUE problem. The only problem that seems to come is things that are said in the media. Arrington said this, Taylor did that, but when it is time for the season to start, barring injury, both guys are suited up and ready to roll.

If I HAD to pick between the two, I would say Arrington, but only because of experience. Arrington is an emotional guy and says some things in the heat of the moment that I'm sure he regrets. Granted, he isn't the BEST player on the team, but he is definitely one of the top players on the defense, as with Taylor. Until I start seeing the problems that we're having off-the-field come ONTO the field in the form of players sitting out or not trying, then I'm not going to worry.

BigSKINBauer 04-12-2005 08:09 PM

Re: Arrington vs. Taylor: Who's the bigger "problem"?
ASHBURN, Va. -- Santana Moss and Sean Taylor are skipping the Washington Redskins' spring workouts because they want new contracts, the latest chapter in a tumultuous offseason that has seen two top receivers request trades and LaVar Arrington criticize the way the team handled his knee injury.

Moss and Taylor are the only two unexcused absentees from the voluntary sessions. Moss is the team's biggest offseason acquisition, and safety Taylor is coming off a troubled rookie season in which off-the-field antics nearly overshadowed his promising talent.

"The only thing I would say to anybody: If you miss the offseason work, I don't think that's good for your career," Redskins coach Joe Gibbs said Tuesday.

"It's not mandatory" to attend, Gibbs added. "You can't make it mandatory, but it is a critical time for us."

Gibbs and Arrington met to clear the air over comments made by the three-time Pro Bowl linebacker. On Monday, Arrington said the team did not support him during his injury last year and implied that coaches rushed him back onto the field. Gibbs denied the claims.

If Tuesday's meeting yielded any positive results, Arrington wasn't telling.

"I said what I said. Y'all don't need a quote," Arrington said as he emerged on crutches from Redskins Park. "Y'all already got what you need. The truth is in front of you."

Gibbs has been in damage-control mode all offseason, and the sagas have involved many of his highest-profile players. The coach also lost two highly valued "core Redskins," cornerback Fred Smoot and linebacker Antonio Pierce, to free agency.

Moss was acquired from the New York Jets for receiver Laveranues Coles, who was dissatisfied with Gibbs' conservative offense. Moss is entering the final year of his contract and wants a new deal, but the Redskins aren't expected to give him one before June 1 because of salary-cap reasons.

Gibbs said Moss' absence is hurting chemistry with quarterback Patrick Ramsey. Ramsey will be working with two new starting receivers next season because Coles and Rod Gardner wanted out. The Redskins are still trying to trade Gardner.

"I've talked to Santana numerous times," Gibbs said. "I think Santana wants to be here. We're trying to work through a process to get him here."

By contrast, Gibbs said Taylor hasn't returned calls. Taylor doesn't like the seven-year, $18 million deal he signed a year ago and he's fired two agents. He was fined for skipping a day of the NFL's rookie symposium and was benched for a game after being arrested on a drunken driving charge of which he was cleared.

Gibbs cited unspecified "complications" of a new deal for Taylor, and the coach tried to be optimistic that the latest setback isn't an indication of a difficult year to come.

"Last year we wound up having a rocky first year," Gibbs said. "I know there are some things that Sean wishes hadn't have happened, and we wish hadn't have happened. I think the lesson's learned there, I hope. What we're trying to do is get Sean settled down here, being a part of this team. I'm hoping any day he's going to show up."

Moss and Taylor are represented by the same agent, Drew Rosenhaus. Rosenhaus did not immediately return calls placed by The Associated Press.

TheMalcolmConnection 04-12-2005 08:14 PM

Re: Arrington vs. Taylor: Who's the bigger "problem"?
Argh. I'm chewing on some foot right now. Thanks Sean. :P

monk81 04-12-2005 08:52 PM

Re: Arrington vs. Taylor: Who's the bigger "problem"?
Taylor is young, first year in the NFL......hopefully he matures as time goes by.
Arrington.......has been around and shouldn't say things that might undermine the team. If he has a gripe go to coach Gibbs and DON'T go crying to the press :rolleyes:

jdlea 04-12-2005 09:35 PM

Re: Arrington vs. Taylor: Who's the bigger "problem"?
As long as Taylor doesn't turn into T.O. or someone who gets suspended for this off the field problems I really don't care. I, personally, don't think this is all that big of a deal. I just don't. It's the offseason. This stuff happens all the time and it's been happening forever. I remember I was listening to Sirius NFL Radio and they said that you never knew what guys did in the offseason or how they were with their family, you saw em on Sundays and that was that. Now the media blows everything out of proportion. I'm not that worried about what Arrington said because he's not used to missing time. I don't care that Taylor isn't at the voluntary workouts because...I just don't. Moss, on the other hand, needs to be there. If he wants to be #1 he should be working with Ramsey. Period. That's how you develop chemistry.

skinsguy 04-12-2005 09:48 PM

Re: Arrington vs. Taylor: Who's the bigger "problem"?
It's hard to say who is more problematic. I think you outta throw their agent into the mix as well.

rickmmrr 04-12-2005 09:59 PM

Re: Arrington vs. Taylor: Who's the bigger "problem"?
18 Mill for 7 years isn't all that great for a player like Taylor but he really hasn't earned the right to complain about that yet. After he has a fantastic second year then he can complain.

MTK 04-12-2005 10:09 PM

Re: Arrington vs. Taylor: Who's the bigger "problem"?
Seems like people are really taking it easy on Taylor.

Arrington is at least in DC with the team.

Arrington also hasn't had any off the field issues like Taylor.

Perhaps we're cutting Taylor some slack since he's only been here for a year, but I really don't remember Arrington's rookie year being filled with so many issues.

I'm guessing that the honeymoon with Taylor will sour very quickly if he keeps heading down the same path.

diehardskin2982 04-12-2005 10:27 PM

Re: Arrington vs. Taylor: Who's the bigger "problem"?
Arrington goes through the media and makes the team look bad, Taylor jus doesn't show up and is immature

skinsguy 04-12-2005 10:41 PM

Re: Arrington vs. Taylor: Who's the bigger "problem"?
I'm telling ya...I vote for the agent! They share the same agent don't they? Happens to be the same agent that TO has acquired and guess what? TO is now wanting to redo his contract! Arrington is upset over his contract and Taylor wants to redo his contract....I'm seeing a pattern!

Daseal 04-12-2005 10:45 PM

Re: Arrington vs. Taylor: Who's the bigger "problem"?
Arrington is with the Postons, Taylor has Rosenhaus or however you sepll it.

Paintrain 04-12-2005 10:45 PM

Re: Arrington vs. Taylor: Who's the bigger "problem"?
[QUOTE=Mattyk72]Both guys catch alot of heat here, who's the more problematic player in your opinion?[/QUOTE]
Honestly, as long as they produce I could care less what they do in the offseason or what they say to the press.. That's the bad side of the internet-media age we live in, too much access to things that may not matter once they get between the white lines.. Ask this question again in January '06 once we see what effect this has on Taylor, Moss or Arrington..

offiss 04-12-2005 11:20 PM

Re: Arrington vs. Taylor: Who's the bigger "problem"?
GUESS? :biggthump

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