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cpayne5 04-30-2005 05:29 PM

Selig Finally Takes a Stand
 
[url]http://sports.yahoo.com/mlb/news;_ylc=X3oDMTBpNWZic251BF9TAzI1NjY0ODI1BHNlYwN0aA--?slug=ap-steroids&prov=ap&type=lgns[/url]

This is great news for the MLB. It will be interesting to see how the MLBPA responds.

redrock-skins 05-01-2005 01:28 AM

Re: Selig Finally Takes a Stand
 
[QUOTE=cpayne5][url]http://sports.yahoo.com/mlb/news;_ylc=X3oDMTBpNWZic251BF9TAzI1NjY0ODI1BHNlYwN0aA--?slug=ap-steroids&prov=ap&type=lgns[/url]

This is great news for the MLB. It will be interesting to see how the MLBPA responds.[/QUOTE]

The players association will never go for this, but I'd say they bargain down to 25 games, with the 3 strikes plan as Bud layed out. The 3 strikes is the best part of it.

BDBohnzie 05-02-2005 10:16 AM

Re: Selig Finally Takes a Stand
 
there is no way in hell that the MLBPA will go for a lifetime ban...nonetheless 50 games for first time offense. i'm almost willing to bet it either stays at 10 games or nudges up to 15...

i also think it's bullshit how Congress just rolled over and played dead during the NFL's steroid hearings.

TheMalcolmConnection 05-02-2005 10:30 AM

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I don't see how the MLBPA should have any say in something that significant. It's like saying that if someone drives intoxicated 3 times, their license is revoked forever. Just like driving, it is a privilege and should be able to be revoked just as easily.

TheMalcolmConnection 05-02-2005 10:32 AM

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I mean everyone is all pissed off saying "we don't know what we can and can't buy over the counter." I've got an idea, DON'T USE SUPPLEMENTS. That's why baseball's golden era has long been over.

TheMalcolmConnection 05-02-2005 10:33 AM

Re: Selig Finally Takes a Stand
 
The only supplements the old greats needed were cigars and a fifth of Jack.

redrock-skins 05-02-2005 10:49 AM

Re: Selig Finally Takes a Stand
 
[QUOTE=BDBohnzie]there is no way in hell that the MLBPA will go for a lifetime ban...nonetheless 50 games for first time offense. i'm almost willing to bet it either stays at 10 games or nudges up to 15...

i also think it's bullshit how Congress just rolled over and played dead during the NFL's steroid hearings.[/QUOTE]

Actually, I think it is BS Congress had any steroids hearings in the first place. Both parties are trying to score political points, while not solving other pressing issues.

BDBohnzie 05-03-2005 11:21 AM

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i wholeheartedly agree. congress has no business in professional sports, at least not in this subject. but, hot button topics will get congressmen and senators jumping for percentage points.

cpayne5 05-03-2005 12:37 PM

Re: Selig Finally Takes a Stand
 
It's a house panel, not congress in it's entirety. This panel, just like every other panel, will make a report and present it to congress.

Steroids are illegal and there were reports that their use was running rampant within MLB. I don't see how they could just sit back and do nothing. The NFL has been questioned, and I think the NBA is up next. You didn't hear much about the NFL's testimony because the NFL is far superior when it comes to drug testing than MLB.

I watched while the panel members interviewed Selig and Fehr. It was embarrassing to see how unprofessional and two faced they were. It's no wonder that there is steroid abuse within the league that these two oversee.

BrudLee 05-03-2005 03:46 PM

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Selig's stand is entirely for show. By suggesting a penalty that [u]he knows[/u] the union will never agree to, he gets to claim he was for tougher penalties. The union won't agree to amend their CBA further until it's determined whether the current changes have the desired effect, and are unlikely to recommend a penalty which would be stronger than the NFL's (50 is more than 1/4 of the season - which is the NFL's penalty of 4 games), and would effectively cull their membership by banning 3rd strike offenders.

cpayne5 05-04-2005 08:40 AM

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[QUOTE=BrudLee]Selig's stand is entirely for show. By suggesting a penalty that [u]he knows[/u] the union will never agree to, he gets to claim he was for tougher penalties. The union won't agree to amend their CBA further until it's determined whether the current changes have the desired effect, and are unlikely to recommend a penalty which would be stronger than the NFL's (50 is more than 1/4 of the season - which is the NFL's penalty of 4 games), and would effectively cull their membership by banning 3rd strike offenders.[/QUOTE]
Right, but the MLBPA cannot flat out reject the offer because of how the public will perceive it. The high number will almost certainly be nogotiated, probably to half. I agree that Selig is a goon, but atleast he did something.

Mattyk 05-04-2005 09:32 AM

Re: Selig Finally Takes a Stand
 
Not to change the subject but what do you guys think of these stories about Lenny Dykstra using roids and betting on baseball??

Nails used to be one of my favorite players back in the day, I guess it wouldn't be shocking if he was on the juice, he really bulked up all of a sudden in one offseason and his power numbers really shot up.

Gmanc711 05-04-2005 10:50 AM

Re: Selig Finally Takes a Stand
 
[QUOTE=cpayne5]Right, but the MLBPA cannot flat out reject the offer because of how the public will perceive it. The high number will almost certainly be nogotiated, probably to half. I agree that Selig is a goon, but atleast he did something.[/QUOTE]

In addition, if they dont accept a tougher penalty, congress will put a tougher penalty on them, so they are kinda stuck in that regard. One way or another, there is going to be a tough penalty for roids.

EEich 05-04-2005 12:48 PM

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[QUOTE=Mattyk72]Not to change the subject but what do you guys think of these stories about Lenny Dykstra using roids and betting on baseball??

Nails used to be one of my favorite players back in the day, I guess it wouldn't be shocking if he was on the juice, he really bulked up all of a sudden in one offseason and his power numbers really shot up.[/QUOTE]

Being a Phillies fan... I always kinda suspected something was up when he had that one (and only one) monster year with the Phils.


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