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cpayne5 07-18-2005 09:19 AM

Palmeiro, Art Monk of the MLB?
 
So, Raffy has 500+ HRs and 3k+ hits. There are only 3 other players in the history of the game to ever have those types of numbers. Automatic induction to the HOF right? Well, there are media people out there saying he doesn't belong in the HOF. It's as rediculous as Art Monk not being in the hall.

Mattyk 07-18-2005 09:47 AM

Re: Palmeiro, Art Monk of the MLB?
 
Good comparison.

Seems like being good for a long period of time is now a big knock against players.

Being great for a short period of time is sexier I guess. I don't get it.

BDBohnzie 07-18-2005 09:47 AM

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Raffy should be a shoe-in. Not only does he have 3k hits, 500 HRs, but is the only player in MLB History to hit at least 38 home runs in 9 straight seasons. career .994 fielding percentage, and at this point, he's walked more than struck out. career .289 hitter, and that may be the sticking point for many people.

SmootSmack 07-18-2005 11:30 AM

Re: Palmeiro, Art Monk of the MLB?
 
Raffy should be an absolute lock. He might even finish with 600 homeruns. He said something interesting in his postgame conference on Friday night. Some reporter asked him if he felt slighted that he never really got much respect because he was never the dominant player at any one point.

And he said no, that he didn't want to take anything away from people like Mark McGwire, Mo Vaughn, Juan Gonzalez, etc. because those guys were the best when they were playing and that shouldn't be taken away from them. In a way he was complimenting them. But in another sense, it was almost like he was saying look at all the people who have come and gone and I'm still here.

FRPLG 07-18-2005 11:53 AM

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It makes me mad that guys like Palmeiro and Monk get knocked for being very good for a very long time instead of the best for a couple years. If you look at just about every player in both the NFL and MLB HoFs most of the guys were best were the best player of their time for two or three seasons at most(if at all). Outside of the few dominate players like Ruth and Jim Brown there aren;t a lot of people who were the "best" for long periods of time. So when guys are clearly one of the top two or three for a long period of time it is ridiculous to say they weren't dominate enough to get in.

BrudLee 07-18-2005 12:29 PM

Re: Palmeiro, Art Monk of the MLB?
 
It will be interesting to see how many commentators who have expressed an opinion on Monk say what they think about Raffy. For one, I'd like to hear Peter King state his position on Palmiero, to see if he diverges from his "must-dominate" opinion in this sport.

SmootSmack 08-01-2005 01:03 PM

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Well his HOF bid just took a pretty serious blow.

[URL=http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=2121659]Suspended[/URL]

Man, of all people I really believed Raffy was legit. I hope this is all just a mistake

Mattyk 08-01-2005 01:08 PM

Re: Palmeiro, Art Monk of the MLB?
 
I just heard that on ESPN radio. If he was a borderline hall of famer before he's really going to be hurting for supporters now.

BDBohnzie 08-01-2005 02:33 PM

Re: Palmeiro, Art Monk of the MLB?
 
he mentions that he can't pinpoint what he would have taken to trigger the test...so who knows. many that i've talked to have made it seem that he's done it his entire career...

HOF Numbers, but the juice will keep him out.

cpayne5 08-01-2005 02:38 PM

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He seems so sincere in the way he talks. Even the arbitrator said he didn't believe he purposely took anything illegal. I hope they publish what the drug he tested positive for was.

Gmanc711 08-01-2005 02:39 PM

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This was a horrible peice of news. This was the ONE guy that I thought did everything the right way, was clean and broke all sorts of barreiers......I hope he dosent see the hall.

cpayne5 08-01-2005 02:53 PM

Re: Palmeiro, Art Monk of the MLB?
 
[QUOTE=Gmanc711]This was a horrible peice of news. This was the ONE guy that I thought did everything the right way, was clean and broke all sorts of barreiers......I hope he dosent see the hall.[/QUOTE]
Do you think he knowingly took a banned substance?

redrock-skins 08-01-2005 05:06 PM

Re: Palmeiro, Art Monk of the MLB?
 
[QUOTE=cpayne5]Do you think he knowingly took a banned substance?[/QUOTE]

He's saying he didn't, but its hard to believe in this day and age, you just put some random things into your body.

SmootSmack 08-01-2005 11:28 PM

Re: Palmeiro, Art Monk of the MLB?
 
Maybe he just popped a few too many Viagra pills, celebrating his 3,000th hit with his wife

Gmanc711 08-02-2005 12:09 AM

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[QUOTE=cpayne5]Do you think he knowingly took a banned substance?[/QUOTE]

Maybe I'm jumping the gun, but I think these athletes take us for idiots. I mean seriously, if he was taking anything legal, he would have known what it is. I absolutley think he, and Bonds who used that argument as well, both knowningly took what they took. Thats my take on it, but I just dont see how a professional athlete dosent "knowing" ingest somthing into their body.


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