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PSUskinsfan11 04-05-2004 02:01 PM

Sean Jones and Randy Starks
 
I we don't keep the 5th pick and draft Taylor like we all hope, we could still pick up a very talented saftey in Sean Jones of Georgia. Jones (6-1, 215) ran twice for 4.57 and 4.55. He did not do any jumps here (did a 36-inch vertical and 10-2 long at the combine). He had a 4.05 short shuttle, an 11.13 long shuttle, a 6.90 three-cone drill and 16 reps. He would be a quality saftey and if we trade down and get a few picks we could get a steal in Randy Starks a DT from Maryland. Starks (6-3 1/8, 313) ran twice for 5.15 and 5.18. He added a 33-inch vertical, a 9-4 long jump, a 4.64 in the short shuttle and a 7.39 in the three-cone drill, he also owns the record for squat a Maryland. Personally I think he could be the next Kris Jenkins. Although, I still hope we take the safe bet and draft a feature all-pro in Sean Taylor, I would not be upset if we worked out a deal that would allow us to get Jones, Starks, or someone of their quality.

Defensewins 04-05-2004 03:21 PM

I also really like Randy Starks from Maryland. He is probably one of the few DT's out there that I would like for the Redskins. The other DT's are not consistently good. Take too many plays off.

DE Udeze is too light and one-dimensional. He will get run over vs. the run in the NFL.
I do like DE Will Smith from Ohio State. A solid DE, equally adept at stopping the run and creating a pass rush. Can play some DT as well. But might not be the speed rusher some skins fans are looking for. He looks good to me.

joecrisp 04-05-2004 03:49 PM

[QUOTE=Defensewins]DE Udeze is too light and one-dimensional. He will get run over vs. the run in the NFL.

I do like DE Will Smith from Ohio State. A solid DE, equally adept at stopping the run and creating a pass rush. Can play some DT as well. But might not be the speed rusher some skins fans are looking for. He looks good to me.[/QUOTE]I don't think I agree with you on Udeze-- he's a solid 281 lbs, which is plenty of meat for a frame that measures just under 6-3, and six pounds heavier than the 275 lb Smith. There are plenty of defensive ends in the NFL that play much lighter than that. It's not unusual to see 260-265 lb defensive ends in the NFL.

Udeze could easily move inside and play defensive tackle on passing downs-- he has the quickness and moves to beat guards off the snap, and enough size to hold his own against blockers. In addition, he's a wicked pass rusher from the outside, racking up 24 sacks over his final two seasons at USC. He's a powerful, fundamentally-sound, disciplined tackler who does a good job in pursuit. I don't think there's anything one-dimensional about Udeze at all.

Drkstar 04-05-2004 04:04 PM

[QUOTE=PSUskinsfan11]I we don't keep the 5th pick and draft Taylor like we all hope, we could still pick up a very talented saftey in Sean Jones of Georgia. Jones (6-1, 215) ran twice for 4.57 and 4.55. He did not do any jumps here (did a 36-inch vertical and 10-2 long at the combine). He had a 4.05 short shuttle, an 11.13 long shuttle, a 6.90 three-cone drill and 16 reps. He would be a quality saftey and if we trade down and get a few picks we could get a steal in Randy Starks a DT from Maryland. Starks (6-3 1/8, 313) ran twice for 5.15 and 5.18. He added a 33-inch vertical, a 9-4 long jump, a 4.64 in the short shuttle and a 7.39 in the three-cone drill, he also owns the record for squat a Maryland. Personally I think he could be the next Kris Jenkins. Although, I still hope we take the safe bet and draft a feature all-pro in Sean Taylor, I would not be upset if we worked out a deal that would allow us to get Jones, Starks, or someone of their quality.[/QUOTE]


I mentioned a similar deal with New England and was crushed by the board for not getting enough. Realistically, if NE was willing to part with the 21, 32 and 56 pick in the draft for say the 5th and Ladell Betts I would make this deal happen and draft the following:

Sean Jones @ 21
Ben Watson @ 32
Chad Lavalis @ 56

This would solve 3 potential problems in my mind instead of one. Plus, we would not have the cap burden of a 5th choice and would be able to part ways with Chamberlin, freeing up that cash for a guy like Tony Brackens on a one year deal.

Sean Taylor is a stud for sure. But I think Sean Jones has pro bowl potential written all over him. Ben Watson is a Gibbs kinda guy. A transfer from Duke with a high Wonderlick. 4.4 speed with 25+ 225 reps. Chad Lavalis would be great in Williams rotation at DT. He is quick for a 310lb guy and has a nasty streak you want in a guy stopping up the middle and plugging the run.

The wild card in my "fantasy draft" is if I want Sean Jones over Jonathan Vilma. Vilma could replace Trotter nicely and give us the most athletic LB corps in the NFC. Iffy in this situation would continue to start at DB. I am leary on this tho because I worry about our defensive backfield the most when I think about the Eagles. But I would like Vilma or Jones at #21.

Defensewins 04-05-2004 04:31 PM

[QUOTE=joecrisp]I don't think I agree with you on Udeze-- he's a solid 281 lbs, which is plenty of meat for a frame that measures just under 6-3, and six pounds heavier than the 275 lb Smith.
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My mistake, you are right about Udeze and Will Smith.
However, Udeze must be eating alot at McDonalds, because he weighed in at 273 pound on March 24th pro day work out.

Here are his numbers:
Udeze (6-2 7/8, 273) ran his 40s in 4.77 and 4.81; and he benched 225 pounds 25 times.

Will Smith (6-2, 267) ran his 40s in 4.58 and 4.62 and he benched 225 pounds a total of 30 times.

You are right about them, Keneche is a converted DT and is solid against the run. It is Will Smith that is a pass rush guy and there is doubts about his ability vs. the run.

PSUskinsfan11 04-05-2004 04:49 PM

Chad Lavalis would be great in Williams rotation at DT. He is quick for a 310lb guy and has a nasty streak you want in a guy stopping up the middle and plugging the run.




I don't agree with Lavalis at all. I did not watch a single LSU game where he impressed me, I do like Watson though, he was clocked at a 4.4 40 and has great power. Also disagree with Vilma. He is a great player and I think he will be better than most think, yet he will not be a MLB in the NFL he is fast and weighs about 225-230 making him an perfect outside backer which we don't need. Here is a possibly wild card though....Sean McHugh a fullback that may be moved to TE in the NFL. At 6'4" 260+ he can catch out of the back field and a good blocker a perfect H-back type player for Gibbs. He almost reminds me of a bigger Bryan Johnson and could most likely be picked up as an undrafted free agent.

Drkstar 04-05-2004 05:02 PM

[QUOTE=PSUskinsfan11]Chad Lavalis would be great in Williams rotation at DT. He is quick for a 310lb guy and has a nasty streak you want in a guy stopping up the middle and plugging the run.




I don't agree with Lavalis at all. I did not watch a single LSU game where he impressed me, I do like Watson though, he was clocked at a 4.4 40 and has great power. Also disagree with Vilma. He is a great player and I think he will be better than most think, yet he will not be a MLB in the NFL he is fast and weighs about 225-230 making him an perfect outside backer which we don't need. Here is a possibly wild card though....Sean McHugh a fullback that may be moved to TE in the NFL. At 6'4" 260+ he can catch out of the back field and a good blocker a perfect H-back type player for Gibbs. He almost reminds me of a bigger Bryan Johnson and could most likely be picked up as an undrafted free agent.[/QUOTE]


Opinions differ obviously. My main point is that the Redskins dont need to be giving a guy who if he is the best player at his position 3 years from now wont necessarily put us over the hump a 7-10m signing bonus and get stuck without the other 2 potential players we could gain by trading out.

Lets face it, Brian Dawkins has been the NFC's best safety the past three seasons but has not been a difference maker in one NFC championship. We have more then one hole to fill and getting a bona fide Free Safety, Tight End and Defensive Tackle in my eyes for the cost of one Sean Taylor is a no brianer...

But then again, I have rarely agreed with most folks on this board about most things....

Drkstar 04-06-2004 09:39 AM

[QUOTE=offiss]Drkstar, I have done some research on watson and really like what I have found, but I can't say I actually have seen him play, from what I have come up with he has gibb's and the skin's written all over him, can you shed a little more light on his game savey.[/QUOTE]


Offiss, I am down in Atlanta GA so the GA Bulldogs are the only game in town as far as college ball goes. Now I am a transplant Northerner down here so I have no homer bias what-so-ever when I tell you that Ben Watson was the hardest working man on the GA Bulldog squad the past two seasons. Thats a team that ended ranked #3 and #6 in the country. He is a transfer from Duke as I mentioned before. His production was dictated by the offense really as the Bulldogs really like to spread the ball around. But I will say this, the man could easily engage off the LB and split the defense down the slot 15 yards downfield within plenty of time to be the primary receiver and last season when GA's line of scrimmage became an issue he locked up with some of better LB's at the line of scrimmage and became a very capable blocker(see the Auburn game and the job he did on Carlos Dansby if you want a specific point of reference).

Mattyk 04-06-2004 09:46 AM

Watson sounds like a great alternative to KW2 and he won't come with the headache of dealing with the Postons.

SKINSnCANES 04-06-2004 01:14 PM

Watson wouldnt be a bad pick up. And you may not think Dawkins made much of a difference in the NFC Championship games but he helped get them there. WHen you have a guy like that in yoru secondary you think twice about all your throws. Personally if I were the Eagles id move him to strong side, I think he woudl be more prodcutive over there.

Id like to see the skins pick up some extra picks, but keep the 5th pick and our first rounder next year. If they want to trade some players and later pick then ok, but atleast try to give us the chance to get another first round talent next year

SKINSnCANES 04-06-2004 02:02 PM

Im so glad Smoot isnt with the Postons anymore, that will make him a lot easier to keep.

Drkstar 04-06-2004 02:08 PM

One apprehension about attempting to draft with #5 pick Taylor, and then trading down to pick up Ben Watson which will be in my estimation another first round draft pick is the potential cap ramifications both this season and in years to come.

The Canuck would be able to elaborate with his insight on the past years numbers but in my estimation it will cost a 10-12m signing bonus for Taylor and a 1-2m bonus for Watson. Where is the money going to come from this season fellas let alone down the road. We all ready have a credit card mentality to spending and cap budget without the 13-15m dollars in bonus money these players bring us. Mean while in the scenario that we trade for 21, 32 and 56 picks the bonus money would be substantially less (approx 8m cumulatively I am guessing)

SKINSnCANES 04-06-2004 03:59 PM

Who knows what the Skins will do in two of three years when we have to cut players with huge salaries then take huge hits for their signing bonuses


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